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Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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  • #872
    2 stroke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    I wonder how the Gardai would react if they had a recording of a group sex offenders discussing raping these same women.


  • #873
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Forget the bad-taste rape 'jokes'. These guys should get the sack for gross incompetence.
    Leaving a video camera running in the back of your squad car - stupid.
    Having an inappropriate conversation about raping a protester - very stupid
    Giving said video camera back to said protester - stupid x 1,000,000.


  • #874
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sean Bateman wrote: »
    This is a storm in a teacup.

    It's organisations such as the Rape Crisis Centre that should be ashamed of themselves - They insult rape victims by hyping this up. Guys made a private joke among themselves and were recorded without their consent. The recording has been circulated without their consent.

    Jesus christ.. now the Rape Crisis Centre are the 'bad guys'?! Talk about deflection =p


  • #875
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    2 stroke wrote: »
    I wonder how the Gardai would react if they had a recording of a group sex offenders discussing raping these same women.

    It didn't happen. But if someone was doing something illegal, the gardai would do their jobs.


  • #876
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    El Siglo wrote: »
    To be honest, I doubt rape victims would find this funny.

    I'm not a rape victim and still don't find it funny.


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  • #877
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    KINGVictor wrote: »
    The truth is that the involved officers made serious errors of judgement both in their approach and utterances , as such they should be prepared to face the repercussions as any other person!
    No average citizen would face any kind of charges for making a joke about rape.


  • #878
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    I see one of the wastes of space that was arrested would'nt show her face on Prime Time. Wonder why:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #879
    LiamIRL82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭LiamIRL82


    I would be flattered to find out someone wanted to rape me. Some people just can't accept a compliment. Err Ma Gawd!!


  • #880
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2 stroke wrote: »
    I wonder how the Gardai would react if they had a recording of a group sex offenders discussing raping these same women.


    Intent makes a big difference. There is no reason to believe that these Gardaì would ever rape anyone.

    There is reason to believe that convicted sex offenders would rape someone.


    Much the same as you wouldn't bat an eyelid to a soldier with a gun. Put the same gun in the hands of the local scumbag and your perception changes. A persons intent makes a huge difference to any scenario.


  • #881
    Sean Bateman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Sean Bateman


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Jesus christ.. now the Rape Crisis Centre are the 'bad guys'?! Talk about deflection =p

    Susan McKay is on Primetime right now talking about Gardai laughing at rape victims behind their backs...this and the nonsense being spouted by the Rape Crisis Centre demean women and rape victims.

    Those guards were made stupid jokes about some Shell to Sea clowns and their lack of hygiene (i.e. even a rapist wouldn't want them).

    Yes it was silly and yes their lack of proficiency with the camera is worrying. But get a grip folks.


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  • #882
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    I see one of the wastes of space that was arrested would'nt show her face on Prime Time. Wonder why:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Go on, why?


  • #883
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Doctors, in private, and on occasion, make distasteful jokes about vulnerable patients.
    Lawyers, in private, and on occasion, make distasteful jokes about vulnerable clients.
    Guards, in private, and on occasion, make distasteful jokes about vulnerable members of the public.

    It is not right; it is not clever; but nor is it anything approaching a scandal.


  • #884
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Sean Bateman wrote: »
    Susan McKay is on Primetime right now talking about Gardai laughing at rape victims behind their backs
    FFS - a disservice to actual rape victims.


  • #885
    EarlERizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭EarlERizer


    I've seen worse behaviour of Gardai towards the public go unpunished, this will all blow over with a wrap on the knuckles for the gob$hites involved and they'll be back weilding their authority over the public unblemished!
    1. "Serve the public trust"
    2. "Protect the innocent"
    3. "Uphold the law"
    4. "Have a bit of the craic like"


  • #886
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Sean Bateman wrote: »
    Susan McKay is on Primetime right now talking about Gardai laughing at rape victims behind their backs....

    That is ridiculous. If that had been the case I'd be raging and definitely be calling for heads to role.


  • #887
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Sean Bateman wrote: »
    Susan McKay is on Primetime right now talking about Gardai laughing at rape victims behind their backs...this and the nonsense being spouted by the Rape Crisis Centre demean women and rape victims.

    Have to agree with this. There was a Rape Crisis Centre spokesperson on matt cooper earlier saying that they should face charges. She didnt have an answer when Cooper correctly put it to her what charges exactly. The centre was also releasing statements around the time of the Neill Prenderville plane incident saying that the people sitting around Prenderville had been sexually assaulted.

    I'm sure that the centre does outstanding work but they dont need to resort tabloid like sensationalism.


  • #888
    galwegians
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭galwegians


    why is everything taken so serious nowadays, it is obvious the two gaurds where having a bit of a joke between themselves,
    we all do the same thing everyday of the week, gaurds are human as well.
    what the **** is the big deal, or have we turned into a nation of wimps who have to bemoan every ****ing human mistake, let the two unfortunate gaurds who made the mistake of not turning of the camera apologise for their remarks, and let that be an end to it.


  • #889
    Newbie_2009
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭Newbie_2009


    Wouldn't it be a twist of irony if they were jailed over this. Ill bet they will be quick of the mark when the other inmates ask for their name and address


  • #890
    04KY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭04KY


    Why is it this woman wants her face hidden on Prime Time but there are pictures of her on Indymedia all day?

    And the shots of her hands shaking, shows disrespect to real victims. All about the publicity.


  • #891
    2 stroke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭2 stroke


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Intent makes a big difference. There is no reason to believe that these Gardaì would ever rape anyone.

    There is reason to believe that convicted sex offenders would rape someone.


    Much the same as you wouldn't bat an eyelid to a soldier with a gun. Put the same gun in the hands of the local scumbag and your perception changes. A persons intent makes a huge difference to any scenario.

    Your argument doesn't work on me. I have had a british soldier, barely out of his teens, hold a gun inches from my head, and he was ****ting bricks at the time. The casual way some of our cash in transit soldiers handle their guns often alarms me. I tried to film two "cash in transit" soldiers withdrawing cash from an atm recently, bloody phone memory was full.


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  • #892
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 523 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    all those who think this is a perfectly acceptable 'joke' are probably the same people who think girls who get completely locked and are incapable of consent haven't been raped, but were asking for it :rolleyes:

    Cop the f*ck on. Just because you think it's funny, or because your sick friends joke about rape or whatever doesn't make it acceptable.

    Imagine someone in your wife/girlfriend/mother/daughter/sister/niece's etc workplace joking about raping them. How would that make you feel? Would you think it was funny.

    Rape is never funny. They are gurads and in a position of power. You'd all have a completely different attitude if it was a group of priests or teachers caught making these comments.


    EDIT: and I am not of the same opinion of the RCC. They can never react to anything in an intelligent manner, which is their job, yet they always fail.


  • #893
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Starla_o0 wrote: »
    all those who think this is a perfectly acceptable 'joke' are probably the same people who think girls who get completely locked and are incapable of consent haven't been raped, but were asking for it :rolleyes:

    Cope the f*ck on. Just because you think it's funny, or because your sick friends joke about rape or whatever doesn't make it acceptable.

    Imagine someone in your wife/girlfriend/mother/daughter/sister/niece's etc workplace joking about raping them. How would that make you feel? Would you think it was funny.

    Rape is never funny. They are guards and in a position of power. You'd all have a completely different attitude if it was a group of priests or teachers caught making these comments.

    Not really. I couldn't give a **** what people talk about or joke about. This is still a relatively free country. You can have my life before you can tell me what I can and can't find funny. I'm not ready for the thought police. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, what business is it of anyone else what I say?


  • #894
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Sean Bateman wrote: »
    Susan McKay is on Primetime right now talking about Gardai laughing at rape victims behind their backs...

    I didn't see it, but did she say that Gardai were laughing at rape victims? Or did she suggest that, as a result of this, people who have been raped might be less likely to report the crime, out of fear that the investigating Garda could be the type who would trivialise their ordeal and laugh behind their back?


  • #895
    panda100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    galwegians wrote: »
    why is everything taken so serious nowadays, it is obvious the two gaurds where having a bit of a joke between themselves,
    we all do the same thing everyday of the week, gaurds are human as well.
    what the **** is the big deal, or have we turned into a nation of wimps who have to bemoan every ****ing human mistake, let the two unfortunate gaurds who made the mistake of not turning of the camera apologise for their remarks, and let that be an end to it.

    Because it speaks volumes about their attitude to rape and sexual assault, and they are in a position when they are at the forefront of helping people who suffer sexual abuse.
    I work as a disability support worker, and If I spoke to my work colleagues in a disrespectful and offensive way about my clients like the gardai did, then I would be fired, and rightly so.

    Also, I have yet to see the humour in their conversation? How was it funny or 'banter', I don't get it?


  • #896
    gk5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭gk5000


    The guards are entitled to a private conversation same as everybody else.

    Who can truthfully say they have never joked or gossiped in private what they would never utter in public. Get over this self righteous bs.


  • #897
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Have to agree with this. There was a Rape Crisis Centre spokesperson on matt cooper earlier saying that they should face charges. She didnt have an answer when Cooper correctly put it to her what charges exactly. The centre was also releasing statements around the time of the Neill Prenderville plane incident saying that the people sitting around Prenderville had been sexually assaulted.

    I'm sure that the centre does outstanding work but they dont need to resort tabloid like sensationalism.

    They hit a low when they said the Hunky Dories ad encourages rape.


  • #898
    galwegians
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭galwegians


    Newbie_2009 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be a twist of irony if they were jailed over this. Ill bet they will be quick of the mark when the other inmates ask for their name and address

    bet you would be quick of the mark if cornered by a couple of scumbags,
    you would be damn glad to see these two gaurds,
    who knows you might even share in a joke with them after they sort out the problem for you.
    get my drift.


  • #899
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 523 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    panda100 wrote: »
    Because it speaks volumes about their attitude to rape and sexual assault, and they are in a position when they are at the forefront of helping people who suffer sexual abuse.
    I work as a disability support worker, and If I spoke to my work colleagues in a disrespectful and offensive way about my clients like the gardai did, then I would be fired, and rightly so.

    Also, I have yet to see the humour in their conversation? How was it funny or 'banter', I don't get it?


    also the speed at which rape was thrown into the conversation. Like it's something they continuously joke about. If a male friend of mine ever said 'jokingly' "i'd like to rape her" I'd clatter him and never speak to him again.

    It's sick and shows very little mental maturity


  • #900
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    panda100 wrote: »
    Because it speaks volumes about their attitude to rape and sexual assault, and they are in a position when they are at the forefront of helping people who suffer sexual abuse.
    I work as a disability support worker, and If I spoke to my work colleagues in a disrespectful and offensive way about my clients like the gardai did, then I would be fired, and rightly so.

    Also, I have yet to see the humour in their conversation? How was it funny or 'banter', I don't get it?

    It doesn't say anything about their attitude to rape victims.

    I have my doubts that you have never told or laughed at a joke about a disabled person.

    I don't see the humour in dead baby jokes. That doesn't mean some people don't find them funny, nor would I care if they told me one.


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  • #901
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Maybe we should set up a tribunal and it could be held "in camera" :D:D


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