Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Mark200 · 05-04-2011 07:11PM

seanor3 wrote: »

Very late into the thread, but has it been proven that the video is legit?

If it's fake then whoever made it did a very bad job at coming up with a fake scandal.

But there will always be people who react to whatever's the headline on a newspaper.

foxinsox wrote: »

btw - I'm only going by the transcript I read and what I heard on the news. If the story develops further I may change my mind.

The full video was linked to on page 1. It's a complete non-story.

vicwatson · 05-04-2011 07:11PM

Exactly. Nothing in this recording would indicate that faced with an actual complaint or vitcim they wouldn't be 100% on the job, professional, caring, helpful, etc.

Wouldn't make me confident all the same. The point here is they were rumbled. Like Gray and Keys, it would carry on if they weren't rumbled. Caught (hopefully by the goolies:)) and should now have to pay for that lack of professionalism.

Down with that sort of thing

foxinsox · 05-04-2011 07:12PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Just what sort of "culture" are you/they hanging around. Larry Murphy? I, for one, have never talked about "rape" in a jocular fashion.

I said it was mentioned earlier in the thread..

I used the example that Google comes back with 285,000 results for "rapeface"..

I had never heard the word before.. I first read it on here (boards.ie)..

I don't use it - actually think it's sick.. but it has become a more used term by younger people..

prinz · 05-04-2011 07:13PM

vicwatson wrote: »

...and should now have to pay for that lack of professionalism.

Absolutely there should be some sanction against them if it is proven.

My name is URL · 05-04-2011 07:13PM

foxinsox wrote: »

I honestly think that if anyone does have the courage to go to a Garda station to report a rape that they would be treated with the upmost respect.

I understand what you are saying though..

I honestly think these lads were just joking..no harm meant.

I believe that too, but it's the inference that people make from it that's damaging.. not the joke itself.

I do understand what you are saying, but if there was no recording there would be no issue.

Again I agree, but unfortunately the recording does exist, and is now public.

finty · 05-04-2011 07:13PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Is English your first language? So now it seems we can't even talk about the "sexist, pig ignorant thicks of AGS" - which is precisely what the gardaí in question are by any civilised standard - without some uber-defensive poster getting paranoid and saying this (explicitly very qualified) section of AGS means, after all, that all members of AGS have those qualities. Well done on the irrational front.

did you not use this incident to extrapolate to how all Gardai were treating the protesters?.........i think you did

Dionysus wrote: »

If this is a sample of the rightwing neo-fascist treatment the Garda Síochána has been dishing out to the Shell-to-Sea campaigners for the past number of years then the Irish state is acting deeply shamefully here. If this recording didn't exist, you can be sure the same old rightwing Blueshirt "law and order" morons would be denying it ever happened. That's the truly sickening part.

hilarious that you are the one commenting on someone elses rationality

jill_valentine · 05-04-2011 07:13PM

Leaving aside my previously noted anger that agents of the law see fit trivialise something so serious, I think maybe the reason some people just don't get it is down to a lack of appreciation for the nature of sex crime itself as an expression of force and control, rather than sexual gratification. Jokes of this kind take on a very, very different tone coming from somebody who's in a position of power, which complicates the very delicate nature of sex crime investigation immeasurably.

To make myself abundantly clear, I don't think these dudes should be dismissed - reprimanded, but not dismissed. However, I do think that their comments are indicative of an institutional culture that needs to be adjusted at the root, right back in Templemore. It's no good telling every Guard that these comments are unacceptable, unless it's spelled out for them why that is, because apparently, it's not self evident.

tommy21 · 05-04-2011 07:13PM

Someone mentioned in the first few posts that it could easily have been a plumber having a joke with the lads after work. Still in bad taste but it happens. The problem is that this is not among plumbers, but rather among those who are supposed to be the pillars of our community (not that a plumber can't be one of those!), combined with the high-profile Corrib debacle. Toss in the comment about the "Yanks" and you have a massive PR grenade on your hands. I think they should all (and will) be disclipined and suspended without pay as punishment - their overall record should speak to as to whether they should be dismissed, but I think that might be going too far unless someone has a bad track record.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 07:15PM

foxinsox wrote: »

Wow.. Garda Siochana in Shell to Sea sex shocker thread is sizzling!

In my opinion they were joking at work.. end of..

How is this different to joking about "rapeface"?
Google comes back with 285,000 results on rapeface..

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the word rape has become part of culture and is often used in a joke style.. not at all meant to cause offence..

It was a private conversation..

Jaysus, if all we ever said was made public, none of us would ever open our mouths :eek:

I'm sure in all professions joking goes on and often could be very inappropriate if overheard..

It may be acceaptable for some people in some jobs to joke about rape.

not here, where the people involved are Gardai talking about a particular female in Gardai custody and under their control.

this wasn't two lads telling a rape joke or a rapeface joke, they were speaking of a particular women who was to be booked into their station.

I expect more of my police force.

vicwatson · 05-04-2011 07:15PM

if it is proven

+1 indeed.

humanji · 05-04-2011 07:15PM

Dionysus wrote: »

I, for one, have never talked about "rape" in a jocular fashion.

And yet, right before this you say in a jocular fashion:

Dionysus wrote: »

Just what sort of "culture" are you/they hanging around. Larry Murphy?

prinz · 05-04-2011 07:18PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

However, I do think that their comments are indicative of an institutional culture that needs to be adjusted at the root, right back in Templemore. It's no good telling every Guard that these comments are unacceptable, unless it's spelled out for them why that is, because apparently, it's not self evident.

Any back up for this whatsoever? If a teacher acts the bollíx do you say that it's an institutional culture and needs to be adjusted in the teacher training colleges? If a hartered accountant says something stupid do you automatically assume it must be the fault of the institute of chartered accountants? It was a lapse of judgement, by a couple of likely lads almost trying to 'out-do' each other. No indication whatsoever that this is an institutional problem across AGS.

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 07:18PM

tommy21 wrote: »

Someone mentioned in the first few posts that it could easily have been a plumber having a joke with the lads after work. Still in bad taste but it happens. The problem is that this is not among plumbers, but rather among those who are supposed to be the pillars of our community (not that a plumber can't be one of those!), combined with the high-profile Corrib debacle. Toss in the comment about the "Yanks" and you have a massive PR grenade on your hands. I think they should all (and will) be disclipined and suspended without pay as punishment - their overall record should speak to as to whether they should be dismissed, but I think that might be going too far unless someone has a bad track record.

is Yank a racist term now?

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 07:18PM

Alannah Jolly Word wrote: »

calm down, you're hysterical

A few lads were making a tasteless joke, it happens every second of the day. As long as they were doing their jobs properly, and there's no reason to believe they weren't, then it isn't a major issue. A rap on the knuckles will suffice

In contrast they appeared to be very serious about their job where, if any of the hysterical bothered to read the full transcript, the majority of the conversation was about how to do their job properly and in a safe manner, for both themselves and the protestors

I find it laughable that they a lot of people who are complaining about what the gardai said, privately, and calling for their dismissal are the very people who would complain about authority when it isn't directly in their favour. Yet here they call for the harshest punishments for a relatively minor, albeit stupid, lack of foresight on the part of the young gardai

Quit the patronising. If they were talking about raping your sister, I'm sure you'd be just as nanchalant about rape. :rolleyes:

And, yeah, maybe talking about rape in insouciant terms happens if you're surrounded by knackers and troglodytes. Most guys don't go around talking about rape like that. And to think that people who are raped might end up at a Garda station reporting it to people with their views. {{shudder}} It's hard enough for women to report rape without being conscious of this mentality among members of AGS.

ScumLord · 05-04-2011 07:18PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It may be acceaptable for some people in some jobs to joke about rape.

not here, where the people involved are Gardai talking about a particular female in Gardai custody and under their control.

this wasn't two lads telling a rape joke or a rapeface joke, they were speaking of a particular women who was to be booked into their station.

I expect more of my police force.

Guards are people at the end of the day they'll make the same mistakes as anyone else. We really have to drop this fantasy that some people need to be angles because we'll always be disappointed when they turn out to be humans like the rest of us.

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 07:20PM

humanji wrote: »

And yet, right before this you say in a jocular fashion:

There was nothing "jocular" about that comment. I have yet to be surrounded by guys who joke about rape.

mikom · 05-04-2011 07:20PM

ScumLord wrote: »

We really have to drop this fantasy that some people need to be angles

Acute idea.

LostinKildare · 05-04-2011 07:21PM

k_mac wrote: »

They didn't make any official complaint. They just posted it on the internet. There has been no complaint made as yet.

Okay so, k mac, the news is reporting that both of the women are preparing to lodge formal complaints with the Garda Ombudsman. When that happens, probably tomorrow, will your theory then kick in? Your theory that the nonexistence/existence of a complaint demonstrates that gards can/cannot separate joking out of earshot from how they deal with an arrestee face to face?

bonzos · 05-04-2011 07:21PM

What they said was wrong but I think its clear that only a bit of banter(sick banter,but banter none the less)...these guys should be punished for being so bloody useless that they didnt even check was the camera turned off. There is alot of garda in this country turning a blind eye to stuff that is more in the public interest than a bit of piss taking. These guys made a mistake but should not pay with their jobs.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 07:22PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Guards are people at the end of the day they'll make the same mistakes as anyone else. We really have to drop this fantasy that some people need to be angles because we'll always be disappointed when they turn out to be humans like the rest of us.

I understand that, but the attitude from some posters that it is acceptable unease's me. i don't think they should lose their jobs but disciplinary action must be taken against them to show the organisation that this type of talk is grossly inappropriate considering the profession in question.

Hendrixfan · 05-04-2011 07:23PM

The Gardai are as useless as a bucket without a bottom, its right up their street to joke about raping someone for not giving details, bog hopping revenue collectors that's all they are. I hope that minion of the state's name is released and he gets hassel over it for the rest of his life, the muck head.

foxinsox · 05-04-2011 07:23PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It may be acceaptable for some people in some jobs to joke about rape.

not here, where the people involved are Gardai talking about a particular female in Gardai custody and under their control.

this wasn't two lads telling a rape joke or a rapeface joke, they were speaking of a particular women who was to be booked into their station.

I expect more of my police force.

I hear what you are saying..

But we'll have to agree to disagree..

She wasn't privvy to the conversation.. (obviously now she is!!)

I read it as a joke as a follow on from her not giving her name and address and being reluctant to leave her friend..

as in "you'd swear I was going to jump her" kinda thing.. joking..

RichieC · 05-04-2011 07:24PM

Storm in a teacup.

Radharc na Sleibhte · 05-04-2011 07:25PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Guards are people at the end of the day they'll make the same mistakes as anyone else. We really have to drop this fantasy that some people need to be angles because we'll always be disappointed when they turn out to be humans like the rest of us.

+1
people are *****

humanji · 05-04-2011 07:25PM

Dionysus wrote: »

There was nothing "jocular" about that comment. I have yet to be surrounded by guys who joke about rape.

So you think that that user is hanging around Larry Murphy? No, of course you don't. It's a sarcastic joke about Larry Murphy's crimes which were incredibly serious. Yet nobody here is baying for your blood.

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 07:27PM

humanji wrote: »

So you think that that user is hanging around Larry Murphy? No, of course you don't. It's a sarcastic joke about Larry Murphy's crimes which were incredibly serious. Yet nobody here is baying for your blood.

Or else it was pointing out that the sort of people who would joke about raping a woman would be, well, rapists like Larry Murphy or potential rapists.

prinz · 05-04-2011 07:28PM

Dionysus wrote: »

And to think that people who are raped might end up at a Garda station reporting it to people with their views. {{shudder}} It's hard enough for women to report rape without being conscious of this mentality among members of AGS.

You have no clue what their views about rape are.

ScumLord · 05-04-2011 07:28PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I understand that, but the attitude from some posters that it is acceptable unease's me. i don't think they should lose their jobs but disciplinary action must be taken against them to show the organisation that this type of talk is grossly inappropriate considering the profession in question.

When I read this first I thought he said it to her face, that would have been sick and twisted but when it's said in private between people that have to desensitise themselves to the people they're dealing with it's understandable. People moan and complain and put down people all the time but are perfectly nice and accommodating to their faces.

I agree they have to be reprimanded as this has made it out into the public domain but I'm pretty sure if every Garda car (or any other commercial vehicle for that matter) was bugged and we judged them by what they said we'd have no males left in employment.

finty · 05-04-2011 07:29PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Or else it was pointing out that the sort of people who would joke about raping a woman would be, well, rapists like Larry Murphy or potential rapists.

a reasonable conclusion it must be said...someone put Dionysus in charge

prinz · 05-04-2011 07:29PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Or else it was pointing out that the sort of people who would joke about raping a woman would be, well, rapists like Larry Murphy or potential rapists.

Ah that old fool-proof logic that we are what we joke about.

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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