Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

SuperInfinity · 05-04-2011 06:34PM

k_mac wrote: »

I agree with this. I think it will have a negative effect on people coming forward. Which is why I am disappointed with the way it was released and reported on.

Yes, it should all be covered up and hidden away. A closed up and misinformed government authority is the way to go for sure. If there's anything we've learned from history it's that questionable things are best shut up and hidden away.

And these ladies want something reported, and the people want to hear it? Shame on the reporters for reporting it, they should have helped hide it away.</sarcasm>

My name is URL · 05-04-2011 06:34PM

k_mac wrote: »

I agree with this. I think it will have a negative effect on people coming forward. Which is why I am disappointed with the way it was released and reported on.

I definitely agree with you in that regard. The fact that it was reported on in such a sensationalist way exacerbates the thing massively.

AckwelFoley · 05-04-2011 06:34PM

i thought i used the word "fcuk" alot

It appears i dont!

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 06:35PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Yes, it should all be covered up and hidden away. A closed up and misinformed society is the way to go for sure. </sarcasm>

Or they could have reported it to the ombudsman and let them do their investigation.

Dodge · 05-04-2011 06:35PM

k_mac wrote: »

I agree with this. I think it will have a negative effect on people coming forward. Which is why I am disappointed with the way it was released and reported on.

Or even better not said at all in the first place

K-9 · 05-04-2011 06:35PM

k_mac wrote: »

I agree with this. I think it will have a negative effect on people coming forward. Which is why I am disappointed with the way it was released and reported on.

The amount of people who actually assumed it was to the women directly was mad.

blinkey 101 · 05-04-2011 06:35PM

humanji wrote: »

It all depends on what was said. Was it two lads talking sh*te or two gardai planning on raping them? They're the two version that each side will tell.

But I can only assume the S2S crowd will release the full thing on the internet in an attempt to paint all gardai as monsters, though.

No only 99.9% of them are lol

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 06:36PM

k_mac wrote: »

If the recording didn't exist who exactly would be complaining about their banter?

If the recording didn't exist, the word of the women in question would have been dismissed in its entirety by AGS and the Irish government. The recording exists - ergo, the latter two are fúcked when they try their usual dismissive tactics. As are all the apologists for the pig-ignorant element of AGS. "Busted", as the Yanks would say.

mikom · 05-04-2011 06:38PM

k_mac wrote: »

They could still have been on their way back to grab a bite to eat.

Just as easily as they could have been on the way to sexual assault crime scene.
So neither of us know.

harryohh · 05-04-2011 06:38PM

Two gardaí having a joke in private and now they're going to get the sack because of this PC world we live in.

You can't even joke with friends in private anymore it seems.

prinz · 05-04-2011 06:38PM

Dodge wrote: »

Or even better not said at all in the first place

Hindsight is perfect. What was said was done with no forethought, how it was released was very deliberate.

SuperInfinity · 05-04-2011 06:38PM

And another thing I find really disturbing about all of this is about how they were talking in a cavalier manner about how to "get" this woman, how to deport her.

How to pull the legs from under her so she could not exercise her right to protest. Just at the convenience of the gardai. Not in a joking manner, really trying to sabotage her.

****ing assholes, why don't they just go away and kill themselves and the people of Ireland would be better off. How's that for a "joke".

RayM · 05-04-2011 06:39PM

prinz wrote: »

Yup, could easily have been dealt with appropriately instead of all the fuss,

Yes, what a good idea.

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 06:39PM

k_mac wrote: »

Or they could have reported it to the ombudsman and let them do their investigation.

I'm glad we all have a better idea now of how the protesters in Mayo are being treated by the police force of this republic. This will be investigated by the Garda Ombudsman, and in the meantime we are made aware of what members of AGS are doing in our name. That's openness and transparency.

vicwatson · 05-04-2011 06:40PM

I'd be interested to what the Male/Female boardsies split is in the vote in the above poll.

My personal opinion is that if these gardai want to be treated like professionals then they should act as such, they failed, whether "joking" or not.

Pity the next poor victims of such crimes going looking to the Gardai for sympathy (particularly in Mayo), those guys must be made an example of and a clear message sent that victims of such crimes will be treated in the appropriate manner.

K-9 · 05-04-2011 06:40PM

Dionysus wrote: »

If the recording didn't exist, the word of the women in question would have been dismissed in its entirety by AGS and the Irish government. The recording exists - ergo, the latter two are fúcked when they try their usual dismissive tactics. As are all the apologists for the pig-ignorant element of AGS. "Busted", as the Yanks would say.

Well their word wouldn't have existed either as they weren't in the car.

You realise they weren't in the car, right? It has only been mentioned about 100 times.

SuperInfinity · 05-04-2011 06:40PM

k_mac wrote: »

Or they could have reported it to the ombudsman and let them do their investigation.

Really?

You really believe that we should live in a closed society and not an open and honest and transparent one?

FloatingVoter · 05-04-2011 06:40PM

This is demeaning to anybody who has been threatened by rape, let alone raped. Initially I believed this **** had been said threateningly in front of the ladies in question. It had not. Had it been - my reaction wouldn't be legal.
There are rapists out there, and at least half of them are damned charming.
Why waste time on some idiots that you'd ignore in a pub if you overheard them.
To hold this up as an example of a potential threat is to make every woman feel more secure tonight when in reality the threat is still there (possibly even commenting on how "Neanderthal" those guys were).

Dodge · 05-04-2011 06:41PM

prinz wrote: »

Hindsight is perfect. What was said was done with no forethought, how it was released was very deliberate.

And that's what we want, cops making jokes about rape without even giving it a second thought

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 06:41PM

Dionysus wrote: »

If the recording didn't exist, the word of the women in question would have been dismissed in its entirety by AGS and the Irish government. The recording exists - ergo, the latter two are fúcked when they try their usual dismissive tactics. As are all the apologists for the pig-ignorant element of AGS. "Busted", as the Yanks would say.

Have you read anything yet? She wasn't in the car with them.

LostinKildare · 05-04-2011 06:41PM

k_mac wrote: »

Sorry I meant no believable complaint. I forgot that those folks complain about everything. FYI forcing a persons arms behind their back is how someone is handcuffed.

Whether or not you believe the complaint to have merit -- and it's no surprise that you are relying on your own personal prejudices to form a judgement on that -- the fact is, there is a complaint. By your own argument, the fact that a complaint exists throws into doubt whether the gards' are able to separate their unprofessional joking in the car from how they actually treat people in their custody.

prinz · 05-04-2011 06:42PM

K-9 wrote: »

You realise they weren't in the car, right? It has only been mentioned about 100 times.

I don't think so. Yet another one.

prinz · 05-04-2011 06:43PM

Dodge wrote: »

And that's what we want, cops making jokes about rape without even giving it a second thought

What bearing does that have whatsoever on the post you quoted? Mind boggling stuff going on here. LIke I have said repeatedly they should be reprimanded and dealt with via the proper channels, not a trial by media.

mrskinner · 05-04-2011 06:43PM

In view of the unguarded! comments from the boys in blue! was the woman not proved correct in expressing her fear of being taken away in a squad car by members of the force?

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 06:44PM

vicwatson wrote: »

I'd be interested to what the Male/Female boardsies split is in the vote in the above poll.

My personal opinion is that if these gardai want to be treated like professionals then they should act as such, they failed, whether "joking" or not.

Pity the next poor victims of such crimes going looking to the Gardai for sympathy (particularly in Mayo), those guys must be made an example of and a clear message sent that victims of such crimes will be treated in the appropriate manner.

No Garda up there is treated with respect at all. They are abused and insulted and spit on and assaulted.

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Really?

You really believe that we should live in a closed society and not an open and honest and transparent one?

I beleieve there should be accountability in the media. The reporting of this incident was outrageous and negligent.

MagicSean · 05-04-2011 06:45PM

LostinKildare wrote: »

Whether or not you believe the complaint to have merit -- and it's no surprise that you are relying on your own personal prejudices to form a judgement on that -- the fact is, there is a complaint. By your own argument, the fact that a complaint exists throws into doubt whether the gards' are able to separate their unprofessional joking in the car from how they actually treat people in their custody.

Fine. The fact that there was no actual abuse of power or even discourtesy towards them then.

Dionysus · 05-04-2011 06:46PM

prinz wrote: »

What bearing does that have whatsoever on the post you quoted? Mind boggling stuff going on here. LIke I have said repeatedly they should be reprimanded and dealt with via the proper channels, not a trial by media.

Why you feel the need to defend the indisputably sexist, pig-ignorant, neo-fascist thicks of AGS on this issue is inexplicable.

And this is only the stuff they've been caught saying.

prinz · 05-04-2011 06:46PM

mrskinner wrote: »

In view of the unguarded! comments from the boys in blue! was the woman not proved correct in expressing her fear of being taken away in a squad car by members of the force?

No. Did any harm befall them in the squad car they were in?

prinz · 05-04-2011 06:47PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Why you feel the need to defend the indisputably sexist, pig-ignorant, neo-fascist thicks of AGS on this issue is inexplicable. And this is only the stuff they've been caught saying.

I see. Once again no hint of a prior agenda here. By the by I have only "defended" it, in so far as they should be disciplined and reprimanded in line with rules and regulations of AGS.

AckwelFoley · 05-04-2011 06:47PM

mrskinner wrote: »

In view of the unguarded! comments from the boys in blue! was the woman not proved correct in expressing her fear of being taken away in a squad car by members of the force?

No

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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