Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Neither of those are comparable

Why not?

k_mac wrote: »

The women weren't in the car at the time. Like it or not many gardai desensitise themselves to things like rape, murder etc.. It allows them to deal with these situations when they arise. They were joking in a personal conversation and weren't threatening anyone. If they get in trouble for blue humour recorded at a time when they had a reasonable expectation of privacy then you better be careful the next time you tell a risky joke.

These guys are supposed to be the first resort for justice in case of an actual sex assault. The fact that they said it in private doesn't matter - the fact that they found the joke appropriate at all betrays a grotequely wrongheaded culture at work.

I grew up on a farm, I was in the army reserve, I'm studying a subject that regularly leaves me the only girl in the lecture hall. I'm comfortable with coarse black humour and "lad" culture. This is different, because the aftermath of a sex assault is such a dangerously fragile situation and trust in the authorities so vital.

If, god forbid, any one of you were sexually assaulted, can you really tell me that you would feel confident that somebody who makes jokes like this so easily would treat your case with the kind of seriousness it deserves? Reporting and prosecution of sex crime in this country is shockingly bad already - stuff like this only confirms in the mind of the victim their very worst fears about the usefulness of actually pursuing justice.

jill_valentine wrote: »

These guys are supposed to be the first resort for justice in case of an actual sex assault. The fact that they said it in private doesn't matter - the fact that they found the joke appropriate at all betrays a grotequely wrongheaded culture at work.

I grew up on a farm, I was in the army reserve, I'm studying a subject that regularly leaves me the only girl in the lecture hall. I'm comfortable with coarse black humour and "lad" culture. This is different, because the aftermath of a sex assault is such a dangerously fragile situation and trust in the authorities so vital.

If, god forbid, any one of you were sexually assaulted, can you really tell me that you would feel confident that somebody who makes jokes like this so easily would treat your case with the kind of seriousness it deserves? Reporting and prosecution of sex crime in this country is shockingly bad already - stuff like this only confirms in the mind of the victim their very worst fears about the usefulness of actually pursuing justice.

How do you know people working in the rape crisis centre aren't making similar jokes? Do you still trust them?

humanji wrote: »

How do you know people working in the rape crisis centre aren't making similar jokes? Do you still trust them?

Cos they weren't stupid enough to effectively record themselves and hand over the evidence unwittingly.

This is ridiculous.

This was a joke. If you listen to the tape, its obvious. As people have pointed out, the comments are distasteful and inappropriate, but it is joke.

Get off your high horses. These men are gardaí but they are also people. I don't believe for a second there was 'intent' behind these comments. I would feel differently if these comments were said in a serious manner, or said to the public or the women themselves. This is just an example of guys messing around. There's nothing malicious about this.

As for trusting the Gardaí and coming to them after being raped, I don't think this has any relevence to that.
I do not believe that someone who jokes about rape cannot feel sympathy or outrage for a situation which actually involves rape.
I can laugh at a rape joke, but I wouldn't be exactly stifling laughter if another girl told me she had been raped.

If people were to be punished for laughing at inappropriate things, there wouldn't be anyone left on the street! Who here hasn't laughed at a racist joke? A dead baby joke? A Maddie McCann joke? Hypocrisy!

I hope these morons are sacked. Completely unacceptable behaviour (although I'm not surprised)! :mad:

humanji wrote: »

If I gave you a piece of equipment you'd never used before, I wouldn't call you stupid for not knowing how to use it.

ah stop, Here's a clue. The off button.

The thing that makes me most angry about this is the discrimination against a certain group in society. "Their from the crusty camp, who knows what you would catch off them". I mean, shouldnt garda leave their politcal views at home when they go to work? Or are garda recruited in the first place to be a bunch of f**king facists?

You wouldnt hear them say things like that against other groups of people, and we all know this isnt an isolated incident. Irish police, same as most other police across the world, think thats its their god given right to enforce some sort of twisted right wing agenda and that they can abuse people who have a different political view to themselves. They think that these people are some how the enemy of the state and thus deserve a good abusing. Anyone remember the reclaim the streets massacre? They went and attacked people, abducted them and strip searched them for no reason other than they could do it and get away with it. If i went and did somthing like that Id go down in the history books with the likes of Larry Murphy. But if I wore a green illuminous jacket, id be just fine.

The truth is that the average crusty has about 5 fold more inteligence and political awareness than any given garda.

Can you imagine the scandal if a load left wing sympathizing garda went around abusing FG voters or somthing similar(lol)? We would never hear the end of it. Yet its fine the other way round when its a load of "krusties".

The 25% of people who voted for the garda here should think about what they voted for. The guards are not a private police force, they are there for everyone.

This particular garda who made the rape comment should be fired and put on the sex offenders register as a warning to the rest of em. IMO these people have the power to arrest and strip search people, they have to be of the highest possible caliber or else all sorts of horrendous things happen.

I know im confusing multiple issues here, no offence to all the decent gardai, end rant.

Bill-e wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan told the following joke...
I remember laughing at that. I also remember many other people laughing at it.

Does this now mean I'm an evil and bad person?

Laughing at Tommy Tiernan jokes absolutely makes you an evil and bad person. Surely this can't be up for debate

timmmay wrote: »

See this is the problem right. A joke is only funny if its taken in context. I actually agree with you. It may be funny to some people(not to me) in another context say four guys sitting around in a car with their female friend in the back. Then yes some people may find it funny in that context.

In this case though you have a few gardai sitting in a patrol car with a female in the back handcuffed and they are joking about raping her. I really don't see where the joke lies because its simply not funny in any way in this context. These men have when they arrest someone got them in a very vunerable position because the person is at their mercy. This is where the problem lies. Making jokes about then excercising the supremacy of their position and taking further advantage of the vunerablity of the arrested person is the problem.

Its called respect and like i said once your making jokes about a serious issue like rape and your a serving member of the gardai you have lost respect for yourself, taken advantage of the trust people place in you and you might as well spit on your own uniform. If you can't see the problem with that i suggest you take a class in ethics.

Read what actually happened.

The women wasn't in the car, it has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread.