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  • #242
    Hotais
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭Hotais


    Einhard wrote: »
    I actually find the attempts by S2S and the democracy haters on Indymedia to use rape in an attempt to further their own agenda, equally as distasteful as the comments made by the Gardai.

    Here here!


  • #243
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    It's funny that a few usual suspects haven't even bothered reading the transcript and are doing the usual slating of the Guards. Even though they are basing their opinions on wrong facts you wont see them back down.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #244
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg


  • #245
    Elbi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭Elbi


    Hookah wrote: »
    Didn't Andy Gray just lose his job for doing the same thing?

    I was just saying the same thing and IMO I didn't think it was half as bad as what the guards said.
    Saying that I don't think the guards should lose their jobs and look they probably won't as it is another guard investigating it.


  • #246
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Buceph wrote: »
    Reacting in an over the top manner to disrespect is what undermines their authority, not locking someone up for taking the piss. Because I've never seen the law that says you must respect the guards.

    You don't have to respect them privately or even personally as people. You do however have to respect the office publicly.


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  • #247
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Einhard wrote: »
    I actually find the attempts by S2S and the democracy haters on Indymedia to use rape in an attempt to further their own agenda, equally as distasteful as the comments made by the Gardai.


    That is the other side of it. It also means a reasonable discussion can never be had about inappropriate Gardai behaviour.


  • #248
    whiteonion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 837 ✭✭✭whiteonion


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    They have to react to disrespect obviously or it undermines their authority



    there was no person on the receiving end, it was a private joke between two officers which the person who owned the video camera they had confiscated CHOSE to take offence to after the fact
    PeakOutPut: I was not aware it's illegal to make jokes against the gardai. Can you please show me any evidence that it's in fact an arrestable offence?


  • #249
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Hookah wrote: »
    Didn't Andy Gray just lose his job for doing the same thing?

    No, that was sexist comments.

    This was a "in joke" about rape, it would be more like the time Souness made a joke about Torres raping Vidic, he apologised and that was that.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #250
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    That is the other side of it. It also means a reasonable discussion can never be had about inappropriate Gardai behaviour.

    It's hard to have a reasonable discussion when people are demanding not just that the Gardai involved lose their jobs and livlihoods, but even their families too.


  • #251
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,472 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    The biggest problem for me is the mindset of anyone who thinks rape can ever be a topic for joking around. It doesn’t matter that they didn’t think they were being filmed, or that the subjects didn’t hear it.

    It matters if they ever have to deal with a rape case and somewhere in the back of their mind they don’t treat it as the one of the worst crimes imaginable. If their names become public, they can never be allowed deal with any kind of sexual assault, as I’d imagine the woman (or man) involved simply couldn’t trust them. For that reason, I think they should be sacked.

    Lots of conjecture there but I don’t think any of it is too far fetched.


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  • #252
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    If this was a private conversation between guards in a jokey kind of way to relieve stress then the activists had no right to listen in to begin with. To me it appears the 'activists' are trying to destroy careers in order to gain publicity and further their agenda.


  • #253
    IQDENIED
    Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭IQDENIED


    Rape Meaning and Definition
    1. (n.) The act of seizing and carrying away by force; violent seizure; robbery.
    2. (n.) One of six divisions of the county of Sussex, England, intermediate between a hundred and a shire.
    3. (n.) Sexual connection with a woman without her consent. See Age of consent, under Consent, n.
    4. (n.) A name given to a variety or to varieties of a plant of the turnip kind, grown for seeds and herbage. The seeds are used for the production of rape oil, and to a limited extent for the food of cage birds.
    5. (v. t.) To commit rape upon; to ravish.
    6. (n.) A filter containing the above refuse, used in clarifying and perfecting malt, vinegar, etc.
    7. (n.) The refuse stems and skins of grapes or raisins from which the must has been expressed in wine making.
    8. (n.) Fruit, as grapes, plucked from the cluster.
    9. (n.) That which is snatched away.
    10. (v. i.) To rob; to pillage.
    11. (n.) Movement, as in snatching; haste; hurry.
    stovelid wrote: »

    People on here say rape to describe being nutmegged at football, having their facebook accounts hacked and having their taxes increased.

    It's become a desensitized word, usually for men.

    Go back to school?


  • #254
    HighTower88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭HighTower88


    Nobody got raped. Nobody was threatened with rape. The word "rape" wasn't even used towards the two prisoners.
    Why were the two protesters not prosecuted for their actions?? They were the only law breakers during the course of that video.


  • #255
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


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  • #256
    markiemark2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭markiemark2005


    If the Gardai put half as much effort into chasing the bankers that raped the country I would not complain.

    Anyway, they are a makey uppey police force.

    Listen to the video, the last 10 mins in the cop shop ya can hear country music playing. Its like some kind of hicksville.


  • #257
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mikom wrote: »
    Were they on duty at the time?

    Do you have to be on duty to have morals?


  • #258
    murrayp4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭murrayp4


    MidWest playing back in the station


  • #259
    R P McMurphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    whiteonion wrote: »
    PeakOutPut: I was not aware it's illegal to make jokes against the gardai. Can you please show me any evidence that it's in fact an arrestable offence?

    generally you will be charged with obstruction of a garda or something like that


  • #260
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,230 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    They have to react to disrespect obviously or it undermines their authority



    there was no person on the receiving end, it was a private joke between two officers which the person who owned the video camera they had confiscated CHOSE to take offence to after the fact

    This video undermines their authority much more than some eejit making pig noises at them while 3 sheets to the wind.

    Of course there was a person on the receiving end. The joke may have been made in private but their own blasé attitude means that it is now in the public realm. I've already said that I think it's a storm in a teacup, but it's their own doing and if they are reprimanded for it then so be it.


  • #261
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    Do you have to be on duty to have morals?

    I'm not paid to have morals.


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  • #262
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Storm in a tea cup. While I agree they are idiots and it was a joke in very bad taste, they would never have behaved like this in front of the women arrested. This was just a stupid private conversation. Believe me, Lads talk like this all the time. Fact.

    And I'd bet if these Gardai were interviewing a rape victim, like people are saying here, they would behave in a professional and sympathetic manner.


  • #263
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Dodge wrote: »
    The biggest problem for me is the mindset of anyone who thinks rape can ever be a topic for joking around. It doesn’t matter that they didn’t think they were being filmed, or that the subjects didn’t hear it.

    It matters if they ever have to deal with a rape case and somewhere in the back of their mind they don’t treat it as the one of the worst crimes imaginable. If their names become public, they can never be allowed deal with any kind of sexual assault, as I’d imagine the woman (or man) involved simply couldn’t trust them. For that reason, I think they should be sacked.

    Lots of conjecture there but I don’t think any of it is too far fetched.

    Far fetched is not strong enough to describe your thoughts on this. Bizarre.

    I would hate to work with you, you must be one of the only people ever not able to joke about the work and environment you work in. Have you worked before? Have you ever heard jokes by colleagues about the workplace and the work you deal with? Have you then demanded they be fired because what customer or client could ever trust them then again after such private jokes! The travesty!


  • #264
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    After listening to the first 28 minutes of the video, I am quite comfortable in saying that this is a hugely exaggerated non-story and it is a disgrace if any of the officers involved get sacked over this. In fact, the idea of any of them being sacked would be a bigger scandal than the contents of the video.


  • #265
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,472 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Far fetched is not strong enough to describe your thoughts on this. Bizarre.

    I would hate to work with you, you must be one of the only people ever not able to joke about the work and environment you work in. Have you worked before? Have you ever heard jokes by colleagues about the workplace and the work you deal with? Have you then demanded they be fired because what customer or client could ever trust them then again after such private jokes! The travesty!

    Luckily, no one in my job jokes about raping anyone.


  • #266
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    mikom wrote: »
    I'm not paid to have morals.

    Is that the only reason you would have them?


  • #267
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Even taking the whole ‘rape joke’ out of the equation – they sound like the worst kind of knuckle dragging mouth breathing idiots you could have the misfortune to meet.
    That these people are in a position of power over most of us is frightening.
    They didn’t even have the basic intelligence to check if the camera was recording or not.


  • #268
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    It's just as shaming as the Gardaì conversation when IndyMedia and S2S use this golden oppertunity to get one up on them using rape.
    IndyMedia wrote:
    This is not the first time that campaigners around the Corrib project have been threatened with rape by Gardaí.

    *whips out biggest brush*

    The Gardaì are barbaric, sexist, bogger, power-crazy muck savages who chew on turf and are more interested in getting to the bottom of a snack box than a rape case.

    The whole thing is a typhoon in a shot glass.


  • #269
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Dodge wrote: »
    Luckily, no one in my job jokes about raping anyone.

    I am guessing that Gardai, when dealing with all types of crime on a daily basis, do what everyone else does, joke about their jobs and the subject as a way of coping. I much prefer they deal with the horrific crimes they encounter with private jokes then going to the bottle to cope with it.

    I remember reading this:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3159813.stm

    It was about doctors slang and many of the comments are pretty rude if you overhear them as a patient. But these guys, in the context of their jobs, will cope, and humour is a primary way of coping.


  • #270
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    Is that the only reason you would have them?

    Ring 097 81038 and ask them.


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  • #271
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I can see a new class in Templemore....

    'Lads....this is the fuckin on-button. On. Yez know what that means?'


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