Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Frank Black · 05-04-2011 11:20AM

k_mac wrote: »

Do you deal with rape as part of your job?

Oh, I see!
Sorry my mistake - continue with the rape jokes then.

K-9 · 05-04-2011 11:20AM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Does anyone else find it odd, how he just dropped the word rape into an otherwise mostly professional conversation? Why would someone do that?

Odd as was the talk about Facebook. It just seemed to be an "in joke" that isn't very funny.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 11:20AM

prinz wrote: »

I'm not the one on ever-shifting ground. First it was the gardaí in question, then it was a cultural issue, now it's back to being the gardaí in question, so it's no longer a cultural issue. Grand.

It's both.

First it's the Gardai making a completely inappropriate joke while on duty and referring to a female in custody. Then it's people trying to defend him by saying, it's only a lad messing.

I am not calling for the guy to be strung up or sacked. I would like to see a strong line from the Gardai saying how unacceptable these comments were and appropriate disciplinary action taken against the Garda in question.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 11:21AM

elviscostello wrote: »

But they are just doing a job. They are human. They are joking.

What if an electrician in a hospital for whatever reason, jokes about the the electrics burning the place down. Should that electrician be sacked?

They are arbiters of the law -they must deal with rape victims on a weekly basis. To have this kind of attitude to rape is really disgusting and dismissive. I wouldn't expect a fireman to make a joke about a hospital burning down.

Not to mention that the woman in question is a protester - not as if she stands accused of a crime as vile as rape. It makes me sad but makes me even sadder to see comments like yours on here.

Guill · 05-04-2011 11:21AM

professore wrote: »

There are far worse things they could have done and I would be the first to condemn them for it but on a scale of 1 to 10 this ranks a 0.0001.

On a scale of 1 - 10 you cannot go below 1.

I hate when people do that!

Wolfe Tone · 05-04-2011 11:23AM

Ah the where joking, not a big deal.

Pj! · 05-04-2011 11:24AM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I am not calling for the guy to be strung up or sacked. I would like to see a strong line from the Gardai saying how unacceptable these comments were and appropriate disciplinary action taken against the Garda in question.

And that's what will happen. You'll be a happy bunny.

Now you can get down off your horse.

prinz · 05-04-2011 11:24AM

This forum is graced on an almost daily basis with a 'joke' about child abuse. No one bats an eyelid. Har har Har a priest rapes a kid har har. I am sure we have all come across examples of tasteless humour from time to time, and as a fan of dark humour myself I know I have on occassion made jokes which could offend someone. That says absolutely nothing about my attitudes towards any of the subject matters I might joke about.

Like I said rap on the knuckles for crimes against comedy. Stupid joke to begin with.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 11:24AM

humanji wrote: »

But now you're claiming to know their minds. They made a silly joke. This in no way even suggests that they are dismissive to sexual violence.

I don't think any decent person would classify those comments as a silly joke and it absolutely suggests that they are dismissive of sexual violence.
Giggling like a group of children - infact I'd expect more cop on from children.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 11:25AM

prinz wrote: »

This forum is graced on an almost daily basis with a 'joke' about child abuse. No one bats an eyelid. Har har Har a priest rapes a kid har har. I am sure we have all come across examples of tasteless humour from time to time, and as a fan of dark humour myself I know I have on occassion made jokes which could offend someone. That says absolutely nothing about my attitudes towards any of the subject matters I might joke about.

Generally the butt of those jokes is the priest, not the victim

_feedback_ · 05-04-2011 11:26AM

optogirl wrote: »

They are arbiters of the law -they must deal with rape victims on a weekly basis. To have this kind of attitude to rape is really disgusting and dismissive. I wouldn't expect a fireman to make a joke about a hospital burning down.

Not to mention that the woman in question is a protester - not as if she stands accused of a crime as vile as rape. It makes me sad but makes me even sadder to see comments like yours on here.

What kind of attitude to rape? I have read it a few times, and it doesn't give me any idea what their personal/professional view on rape is. They used it as part of a bad joke. I don't like quoting myself, but considering I am saddening you so much, here is the way I see the word being used:

elviscostello wrote: »

Have a look at the transcript again. They were talking about one lady being from America or Canada. She refused to give an address and was told she would be arrested, then someone said "and deported" (worse than arrested) and someone again "and raped" (way worse than arrested and deported).

It's just an attempt at humor.

prinz · 05-04-2011 11:26AM

optogirl wrote: »

They are arbiters of the law -they must deal with rape victims on a weekly basis...

The penny might sink any minute now.

Contra Proferentem · 05-04-2011 11:26AM

optogirl wrote: »

I don't think any decent person would classify those comments as a silly joke and it absolutely suggests that they are dismissive of sexual violence.
Giggling like a group of children - infact I'd expect more cop on from children.

Immaturity isn't a crime , or even a grounds for dismissal.

karma_ · 05-04-2011 11:28AM

prinz wrote: »

This forum is graced on an almost daily basis with a 'joke' about child abuse. No one bats an eyelid. Har har Har a priest rapes a kid har har. I am sure we have all come across examples of tasteless humour from time to time, and as a fan of dark humour myself I know I have on occassion made jokes which could offend someone. That says absolutely nothing about my attitudes towards any of the subject matters I might joke about.

Like I said rap on the knuckles for crimes against comedy. Stupid joke to begin with.

Boards.ie and those who post on it don't enforce the law.

Micky Dolenz · 05-04-2011 11:28AM

Pj! wrote: »

And that's what will happen. You'll be a happy bunny.

Now you can get down off your horse.

I have my horse outside.

prinz wrote: »

This forum is graced on an almost daily basis with a 'joke' about child abuse. No one bats an eyelid. Har har Har a priest rapes a kid har har. I am sure we have all come across examples of tasteless humour from time to time, and as a fan of dark humour myself I know I have on occassion made jokes which could offend someone. That says absolutely nothing about my attitudes towards any of the subject matters I might joke about.

Like I said rap on the knuckles for crimes against comedy. Stupid joke to begin with.

Can you PM me examples please.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 11:29AM

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Immaturity isn't a crime , or even a grounds for dismissal.

I never said it was a crime. I just said I'm dissappointed and saddened by it

prinz · 05-04-2011 11:30AM

optogirl wrote: »

Generally the butt of those jokes is the priest, not the victim

Right, so rape is an ok thing to joke about as long as we know who the butt of the joke is? Either it is or it isn't acceptable to joke about, which is it?

K-9 · 05-04-2011 11:30AM

optogirl wrote: »

Generally the butt of those jokes is the priest, not the victim

There is no victim here?

They made a stupid joke about throwing the book at her (don't take that literally now) and threatening her with deportation, the "rape" reference is for effect. Then they want onto talk about Facebook and then talked about operational and safety concerns.

It's inappropriate and insensitive. Discipline them and learn from it.

Contra Proferentem · 05-04-2011 11:31AM

I think we all need to remind ourselves of the good work Gardai do:

Callely fined for driving and using phone

INDEPENDENT SENATOR Ivor Callely has been fined €60 for holding a mobile phone while driving. Mr Callely (52) denied the offence, and said he was using a hands-free kit when the incident occurred on October 11th, 2010.
Garda Keith Daly of Fitzgibbon Street Garda station gave evidence of stopping Mr Callely’s 2002 Jaguar car on Ballybough Road in Dublin.

He told Dublin District Court he saw Mr Callely driving with a mobile phone held to his right ear. He performed a U-turn before pulling Mr Callely over at Summerhill Parade. Mr Callely was talking on a hands-free kit when he stopped him, but the phone he had seen him holding was on the passenger seat.
Mr Callely, a former junior minister for transport, gave his address as St Lawrence’s Road, Clontarf, when pulled over.
He told the court he had been talking into a hands-free device. He accepted he had two mobile phones in the car.
It was put to Garda Daly that the phone on the passenger seat was broken and not the one Mr Callely had been using.

Garda Daly said he did not have to prove the phone was in use but that the defendant had been holding it while driving.

Mr Callely told the court he had not received the letter detailing the fixed fine at his Clontarf address because he did not log his mail. He agreed it would have been ridiculous not to have paid the fine rather than face the notoriety of dealing with the matter in court. Garda Daly told the judge he had an official record of the notice being sent.

Judge James Paul McDonnell accepted there were two phones in the car and he accepted the evidence that Mr Callely was holding a phone.

He fined Mr Callely €60 under Section 3(8) of the Road Traffic Act 2006.
Ivor Callely: said he was using hands-free device

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0405/1224293869966.html

Einhard · 05-04-2011 11:31AM

Ah for God's sake people, can we get a bit of perspective here? I admit I was pretty shocked when I read the transcript first, but that was because I thought they said it directly to the woman. The fact that she wasn't even in the car changes thing entirely. It was a stupid and inappropriate thing to say, and they deserve some form of mild censure, but to demand that they lose their jobs and livlihoods, and even the breakup of their families is a hysterical overreaction. People are entitled to their privacy, whether on duty or not, and its entirely unreasonable to condemn them entirely based on a few snippets of spontaneous conversation. It's not a reflection of their true feelings on a matter, and nor should it be taken as such. Some of the posters here may aspire to moral perfection, and treat their private conversations as if they were public chats with the Dali Lama, but I don't set such standards for myself, and I won't demand them of others either. People need to get a grip.

whiteonion · 05-04-2011 11:32AM

K-9 wrote: »

There is no victim here?

They made a stupid joke about throwing the book at her (don't take that literally now) and threatening her with deportation, the "rape" reference is for effect. Then they want onto talk about Facebook and then talked about operational and safety concerns.

It's inappropriate and insensitive. Discipline them and learn from it.

I can get fired for saying bad things about my company on Facebook so I don't do that. What they did is worse than slagging off your employer don't you think?

They should be fired, simple as that.

mikom · 05-04-2011 11:32AM

Garda A: “She refused to give her name and address and told she would be arrested.”

Garda B : “.......and deported”

Garda A: “And raped.”

Garda B: “I wouldn’t go that far yet….. She was living down at that crusty camp, f**k sake, you never know what you might get.”

Garda A: “Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you.”
Unidentified Garda: “Hold it there, give me your name and address there, I’ll rape you.”

Garda A : “Or I’ll definitely rape you.”
Unidentified garda: “Will you be me friend on Facebook?”
(Conversation continues about Facebook in Garda station)

*Thumbs up* Larry Murphy likes this.

optogirl · 05-04-2011 11:33AM

K-9 wrote: »

It's inappropriate and insensitive. Discipline them and learn from it.

Agree 100%. I'm not calling for them to be sacked but I do think they should have had more cop on then to talk like that in work about somebody in custody.

Contra Proferentem · 05-04-2011 11:34AM

whiteonion wrote: »

I can get fired for saying bad things about my company on Facebook so I don't do that. What they did is worse than slagging off your employer don't you think?

They should be fired, simple as that.

That's generally because of fidelity issues, which would lead to a fair dismissal.

However, slagging off a customer of the company in private isn't cause for a dismissal.

Gunsfortoys · 05-04-2011 11:35AM

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Immaturity isn't a crime , or even a grounds for dismissal.

Yes it is.

In any other work place in the world, the comments these guys made would be grounds for dismissal.

These guys are professionals and should act accordingly.

I don't see the harm if it is with your mates or on here but when you are dealing with the public in a professional capacity you should act appropriately.

Also this girl didn't know this man and was probably scared ****less of him when he made this comment. imagine being in cuffs at the back of a police car and being told that joking or not.

R P McMurphy · 05-04-2011 11:35AM

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

That's generally because of fidelity issues, which would lead to a fair dismissal.

However, slagging off a customer of the company in private isn't cause for a dismissal.

If it became public would be out the door pretty quickly though

Guill · 05-04-2011 11:37AM

What about the code of ethics they sign???
Should they not be held responsible for breaches of that?????
They swear to uphold the law, respect diversity, act responsibly and respectfully!!!!

<snip>

http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/declarationvalues.pdf

It is indefensible.

If they were off duty, fair enough. But to be working under an official capacity and joking about rape and yanks, they should be subject to discipline!

I don’t want to be protected by people who so blatantly ignore the values they are supposed to uphold.

They may not have broke the law but they certainly have prooved that they are not of a character suitable for the Force (If we expect to have a decent force).

Einhard · 05-04-2011 11:37AM

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Also this girl didn't know this man and was probably scared ****less of him when he made this comment. imagine being in cuffs at the back of a police car and being told that joking or not.

She wasn't in the car. Unless she was telepathic, she wasn't going to hear trhem. Makes a bit of a difference.

Phill Ewinn · 05-04-2011 11:38AM

Can't see the funny side. Then again I'm not in their shoes. This will make RTE's primetime and their nannies will weep for them. It'll be over by next week these school boys will return to work for Shell or someother of the governments mates.

wild_cat · 05-04-2011 11:38AM

What would your views be if your sister, mother or girlfriend had just been taken into custody by those fellows?

Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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