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Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

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  • #122
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    That sums up my feelings quite well. We have an attitude in this country of "ah sure, it was only a joke" that really needs to change.

    ..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable. Was your first post on the thread "only a joke" as a matter of interest? What if I took offence to it? We have members of AGS posting here.


  • #123
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    k_mac wrote: »
    They'd be better off without you so.

    and vice versa

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #124
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    Can't believe people are defending the Gardaí here,not even a case of playing devils advocate but full on,ignorance of how vile this is

    it's not about the semantics of they were alone in the car,or they were in uniform,or it was a covert recording and those women were out for trouble (which is bull**** tbh)

    This is about the contempt shown for the public that they are meant to serve,simple as that

    I know a lot of people who work on the medical side of the Emergency Services.yes they use humour to try and rationalise horrific events they witness,bodies they recover that are bloated and rotting for being in the sea
    things that would reduce any normal person to tears,it's a stress reliever to try and take some of the shock out of what they see daily
    but this was not a case of "gallows humour" after witnessing a horrific event
    this was Gardaí forgetting that they serve us,not themselves

    The idea is to be prepared to deal with a situation at any time, not just after you encounter it.
    punchdrunk wrote: »
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    The Ombudsman


  • #125
    Contra Proferentem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭Contra Proferentem


    There's plenty of things you can fault about the Gardai in terms of accountability, etc. but really for me, this isn't one of them.

    A non-issue.


  • #126
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    prinz wrote: »
    ..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable.


    Nobody is calling for public floggings.


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  • #127
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    I know a lot of people who work on the medical side of the Emergency Services.yes they use humour to try and rationalise horrific events they witness,bodies they recover that are bloated and rotting for being in the sea
    things that would reduce any normal person to tears,it's a stress reliever to try and take some of the shock out of what they see daily

    THE F*CKING SCUM!!!!! THEY DESERVE TO BE FIRED FOR THAT!!! AND LOSE THEIR FAMILIES!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

    Or, as you say, it's just humour to take their minds of it. Just like the gards did. It's stupid and if the familes heard, they'd be offended. But they didn't say it to offend anyone. They didn't know that they were being recorded. They didn't mean what they said. They were talking rubbish. Simple as that.

    Actually, wasn't there a thread here a while ago where someone was talking about hospital staff joking about a patient and their family overheard them? People were a lot more fogiving then about someone who we were meant to put our trust into.


  • #128
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Nobody is calling for public floggings.

    Only sackings apparently...and that they should be dumped by wives/girlfriends/boyfriends.... and extrapolating these couple of idiotic remarks to run down the entire force... and make out that all gardaí are uneducated bumpkins.


  • #129
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    The holier than thou attitude of a lot of the posters here is the most shocking thing about this thread.....


  • #130
    TrustedApple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭TrustedApple


    Well I am with the Garda here because there only trying to do there job and when you look at it how many jobs is shell giveing to Ireland here.
    My uncle who is in the aircore was up there to stop the fools giveing out about the gas line.
    He got punches trying at him one trow a knife at him so who really is the bad guys here really


  • #131
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    prinz wrote: »
    ..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable. Was your first post on the thread "only a joke" as a matter of interest? What if I took offence to it? We have members of AGS posting here.


    They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent.

    If you have a problem with a post, report it.


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  • #132
    Contra Proferentem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭Contra Proferentem


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Nobody is calling for public floggings.
    Some, possibly including yourself, are calling for a number of Gardai to be put on the dole as an example over a trival incident.


  • #133
    volvilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭volvilla


    Referring to them as "Prisoners" (on the phone) is what annoys me...

    Typical Stanley Milgram experiment in play here


  • #134
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Contra Proferentem wrote: »
    Some, possibly including yourself, are calling for a number of Gardai to be put on the dole as an example over a trival incident.

    Not calling for sackings, although you can be sure people have been sacked for less. I would like to see disciplinary action taken against the Garda for unprofessional conduct though.


  • #135
    BluesBerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭BluesBerry


    It was a private conversation between 2 gardai I dont think they should have their careers ruined over this

    The owner of the camera was miffed over being arrested and of course this find on her camera is gold but there is far worse things out there imo


  • #136
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent. If you have a problem with a post, report it.

    Ah sure, it was only a joke. ;)


  • #137
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    squod wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Lol, sure they asked for it. Someone lock this thread FFS.

    Asked for what? Absolutely nothing untoward to be done or said to them? Yeah they probably did and thats exactly what happened.


  • #138
    LookBehindYou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭LookBehindYou


    Some people need to learn to chill out and realise that humour exists in Ireland. Humour brings on a smile and takes the boredom out of life.


  • #139
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Johnnymcg wrote: »
    and vice versa

    Probably. From the sounds of it it would be a very weak and trustless relationship.

    No matter what way they joke about things in personal conversations, any Garda would be 100% there for any victim of a sex crime. This is how they are able to do that. The rape crisis center has reported on the positive experience victims have had when dealing with Gardaí. Wether you agree with how they cope or not you would be hard pressed to fault them on their handling of individual cases.

    I only hope that the release of this recording doesn't deter vicitms from coming forward in the future. If it does I hope the people who released it will take their share of the blame for that.


  • #140
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    humanji wrote: »
    Or, as you say, it's just humour to take their minds of it. Just like the gards did. It's stupid and if the familes heard, they'd be offended. But they didn't say it to offend anyone. They didn't know that they were being recorded. They didn't mean what they said. They were talking rubbish. Simple as that.
    It isn't about who hears it or who is offended. Actually it isn't about being offended at all.

    It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things. As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?


  • #141
    _feedback_
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    volvilla wrote: »
    Referring to them as "Prisoners" (on the phone) is what annoys me...

    Typical Stanley Milgram experiment in play here

    Huh :confused: They were prisoners.


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  • #142
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Frankly, as long as they were not addressing the women (or using it in the presence of any female gauards) in question, it is a non-issue. That's not to say I like rape jokes or that they are not clowns, but it was a private joke and I. for one, cannot imemdiately extrapolate that women would be unsafe with them in a professional situation or that they are bad Gardai - I simply don't know, unfortunately.

    I think people should think hard before they acquiesce to the tabloid moralism of hositing people up on their private conversations for a baying witch-hunt as we all say and think things sometimes that we wouldn't like to diseminated publicly. In some respects, it even ends up trivializing more serious cases of misogyny or whatever outrage de jour is at a given time.


  • #143
    Captain Darling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭Captain Darling


    Disgusting and idiotic by the people involved. There's dumb and then there's dumb.

    Is there not an issue over being recorded without your consent, irregardless of what was said? Is it not classed as an invasion of privacy or something?


  • #144
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent.

    If you have a problem with a post, report it.

    Does it actually matter what part of the country they are from?


  • #145
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Macha wrote: »
    It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things...

    What other things are unacceptable to joke about? I might be heading to the pub for a few later, wouldn't want to make a faux pas in front of a few friends.


  • #146
    _feedback_
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    Macha wrote: »
    It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things. As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?

    It is blindingly obvious that they were joking. They were using the word rape as being worse than all the other things mentioned (arrested / deported). It was like "beat that with another bad thing". It was a joke.



    Timmy: I will take your model car, and hide it in my treehouse.

    Joey: I will go up to the treehouse and get it.

    Timmy: I will follow you up and push you out.

    Joey: I will petrol bomb your treehouse and burn you to death.


  • #147
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Macha wrote: »
    It isn't about who hears it or who is offended. Actually it isn't about being offended at all.

    It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things.

    Two people underpressure, joking about a situation to relieve that stress. That's what happened. It's in bad taste and as I said before, they should have a minor reprimand and some sort of training on tact.

    But there's calls for them to be fired and lose their families. That's just f*cking insanse.
    Macha wrote: »
    As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?

    Read the transcript, listen to the conversation. Do you honestly believe these men wanted to rape the women? There's playing devils advocate, and there's taking the piss.


  • #148
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    prinz wrote: »
    What other things are unacceptable to joke about? I might be heading to the pub for a few later, wouldn't want to make a faux pas in front of a few friends.
    I'm not talking about people in pubs, I'm talking about Gardai on duty, in uniform, having just arrested two women. Context is important.


  • #149
    MagicSean
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    Macha wrote: »
    It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things

    Surely, as people who deal with these things quite often, they are more qualified than most to make that decision?


  • #150
    Buceph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭Buceph


    k_mac wrote: »
    Probably. From the sounds of it it would be a very weak and trustless relationship.

    No matter what way they joke about things in personal conversations, any Garda would be 100% there for any victim of a sex crime. This is how they are able to do that. The rape crisis center has reported on the positive experience victims have had when dealing with Gardaí. Wether you agree with how they cope or not you would be hard pressed to fault them on their handling of individual cases.

    I only hope that the release of this recording doesn't deter vicitms from coming forward in the future. If it does I hope the people who released it will take their share of the blame for that.

    First off, you keep trying to make out that this is gallows humour. It wasn't. Gallows humour needs a gallows to qualify.

    Secondly, are you seriously trying to say that people shouldn't report guards being thick? And that they should have kept shtum about a guard saying they would rape someone who they have a duty of care over?

    Thirdly, the rape crisis centre that you're using to back up the guards have explicitly said this behaviour was unnacceptable.

    Edit: Fourthly(?); If they're 100% there for any victim of a sex crime then they wouldn't make light of such things.


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  • #151
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    prinz wrote: »
    What other things are unacceptable to joke about? I might be heading to the pub for a few later, wouldn't want to make a faux pas in front of a few friends.

    Few friends in the pub joking cannot be compared to on duty Gardai talking about a female in custody.

    And I can't remember a time where me and my mates joked about raping a particular woman. Is it something you and your mates joke about?


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