Garda Siochana in Shell to sea sex shocker

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

That sums up my feelings quite well. We have an attitude in this country of "ah sure, it was only a joke" that really needs to change.

..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable. Was your first post on the thread "only a joke" as a matter of interest? What if I took offence to it? We have members of AGS posting here.

Annasopra

k_mac wrote: »

They'd be better off without you so.

and vice versa

punchdrunk wrote: »

Can't believe people are defending the Gardaí here,not even a case of playing devils advocate but full on,ignorance of how vile this is

it's not about the semantics of they were alone in the car,or they were in uniform,or it was a covert recording and those women were out for trouble (which is bull**** tbh)

This is about the contempt shown for the public that they are meant to serve,simple as that

I know a lot of people who work on the medical side of the Emergency Services.yes they use humour to try and rationalise horrific events they witness,bodies they recover that are bloated and rotting for being in the sea
things that would reduce any normal person to tears,it's a stress reliever to try and take some of the shock out of what they see daily
but this was not a case of "gallows humour" after witnessing a horrific event
this was Gardaí forgetting that they serve us,not themselves

The idea is to be prepared to deal with a situation at any time, not just after you encounter it.

punchdrunk wrote: »

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

The Ombudsman

Contra Proferentem

There's plenty of things you can fault about the Gardai in terms of accountability, etc. but really for me, this isn't one of them.

A non-issue.

prinz wrote: »

..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable.

Nobody is calling for public floggings.

humanji

punchdrunk wrote: »

I know a lot of people who work on the medical side of the Emergency Services.yes they use humour to try and rationalise horrific events they witness,bodies they recover that are bloated and rotting for being in the sea
things that would reduce any normal person to tears,it's a stress reliever to try and take some of the shock out of what they see daily

THE F*CKING SCUM!!!!! THEY DESERVE TO BE FIRED FOR THAT!!! AND LOSE THEIR FAMILIES!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!

Or, as you say, it's just humour to take their minds of it. Just like the gards did. It's stupid and if the familes heard, they'd be offended. But they didn't say it to offend anyone. They didn't know that they were being recorded. They didn't mean what they said. They were talking rubbish. Simple as that.

Actually, wasn't there a thread here a while ago where someone was talking about hospital staff joking about a patient and their family overheard them? People were a lot more fogiving then about someone who we were meant to put our trust into.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Nobody is calling for public floggings.

Only sackings apparently...and that they should be dumped by wives/girlfriends/boyfriends.... and extrapolating these couple of idiotic remarks to run down the entire force... and make out that all gardaí are uneducated bumpkins.

finty

The holier than thou attitude of a lot of the posters here is the most shocking thing about this thread.....

TrustedApple

Well I am with the Garda here because there only trying to do there job and when you look at it how many jobs is shell giveing to Ireland here.
My uncle who is in the aircore was up there to stop the fools giveing out about the gas line.
He got punches trying at him one trow a knife at him so who really is the bad guys here really

prinz wrote: »

..and we all know After Hours is at the forefront of that campaign to clean up humour. Yes they deserve to be called out on it, but the hysterics on the part of some posters is laughable. Was your first post on the thread "only a joke" as a matter of interest? What if I took offence to it? We have members of AGS posting here.

They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent.

If you have a problem with a post, report it.

Contra Proferentem

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Nobody is calling for public floggings.

Some, possibly including yourself, are calling for a number of Gardai to be put on the dole as an example over a trival incident.

volvilla

Referring to them as "Prisoners" (on the phone) is what annoys me...

Typical Stanley Milgram experiment in play here

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

Some, possibly including yourself, are calling for a number of Gardai to be put on the dole as an example over a trival incident.

Not calling for sackings, although you can be sure people have been sacked for less. I would like to see disciplinary action taken against the Garda for unprofessional conduct though.

BluesBerry

It was a private conversation between 2 gardai I dont think they should have their careers ruined over this

The owner of the camera was miffed over being arrested and of course this find on her camera is gold but there is far worse things out there imo

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent. If you have a problem with a post, report it.

Ah sure, it was only a joke.

Guy:Incognito

squod wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Lol, sure they asked for it. Someone lock this thread FFS.

Asked for what? Absolutely nothing untoward to be done or said to them? Yeah they probably did and thats exactly what happened.

LookBehindYou

Some people need to learn to chill out and realise that humour exists in Ireland. Humour brings on a smile and takes the boredom out of life.

Johnnymcg wrote: »

and vice versa

Probably. From the sounds of it it would be a very weak and trustless relationship.

No matter what way they joke about things in personal conversations, any Garda would be 100% there for any victim of a sex crime. This is how they are able to do that. The rape crisis center has reported on the positive experience victims have had when dealing with Gardaí. Wether you agree with how they cope or not you would be hard pressed to fault them on their handling of individual cases.

I only hope that the release of this recording doesn't deter vicitms from coming forward in the future. If it does I hope the people who released it will take their share of the blame for that.

Macha

humanji wrote: »

Or, as you say, it's just humour to take their minds of it. Just like the gards did. It's stupid and if the familes heard, they'd be offended. But they didn't say it to offend anyone. They didn't know that they were being recorded. They didn't mean what they said. They were talking rubbish. Simple as that.

It isn't about who hears it or who is offended. Actually it isn't about being offended at all.

It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things. As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?

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volvilla wrote: »

Referring to them as "Prisoners" (on the phone) is what annoys me...

Typical Stanley Milgram experiment in play here

Huh

They were prisoners.

stovelid

Frankly, as long as they were not addressing the women (or using it in the presence of any female gauards) in question, it is a non-issue. That's not to say I like rape jokes or that they are not clowns, but it was a private joke and I. for one, cannot imemdiately extrapolate that women would be unsafe with them in a professional situation or that they are bad Gardai - I simply don't know, unfortunately.

I think people should think hard before they acquiesce to the tabloid moralism of hositing people up on their private conversations for a baying witch-hunt as we all say and think things sometimes that we wouldn't like to diseminated publicly. In some respects, it even ends up trivializing more serious cases of misogyny or whatever outrage de jour is at a given time.

Captain Darling

Disgusting and idiotic by the people involved. There's dumb and then there's dumb.

Is there not an issue over being recorded without your consent, irregardless of what was said? Is it not classed as an invasion of privacy or something?

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

They sound like boggers and it reminded me of a scene of a show where Gardai recruits were being thought how to say vehicle in a bogger accent.

If you have a problem with a post, report it.

Does it actually matter what part of the country they are from?

Macha wrote: »

It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things...

What other things are unacceptable to joke about? I might be heading to the pub for a few later, wouldn't want to make a faux pas in front of a few friends.

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Macha wrote: »

It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things. As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?

It is blindingly obvious that they were joking. They were using the word rape as being worse than all the other things mentioned (arrested / deported). It was like "beat that with another bad thing". It was a joke.

Timmy: I will take your model car, and hide it in my treehouse.

Joey: I will go up to the treehouse and get it.

Timmy: I will follow you up and push you out.

Joey: I will petrol bomb your treehouse and burn you to death.

humanji

Macha wrote: »

It isn't about who hears it or who is offended. Actually it isn't about being offended at all.

It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things.

Two people underpressure, joking about a situation to relieve that stress. That's what happened. It's in bad taste and as I said before, they should have a minor reprimand and some sort of training on tact.

But there's calls for them to be fired and lose their families. That's just f*cking insanse.

Macha wrote: »

As for whether they meant it or not, I'm not sure why you're so well positioned to know their minds..?

Read the transcript, listen to the conversation. Do you honestly believe these men wanted to rape the women? There's playing devils advocate, and there's taking the piss.

Macha

prinz wrote: »

What other things are unacceptable to joke about? I might be heading to the pub for a few later, wouldn't want to make a faux pas in front of a few friends.

I'm not talking about people in pubs, I'm talking about Gardai on duty, in uniform, having just arrested two women. Context is important.

Macha wrote: »

It's about the worrying attitudes of these Gardai who think it's acceptable to joke about these things

Surely, as people who deal with these things quite often, they are more qualified than most to make that decision?

Buceph

k_mac wrote: »

Probably. From the sounds of it it would be a very weak and trustless relationship.

No matter what way they joke about things in personal conversations, any Garda would be 100% there for any victim of a sex crime. This is how they are able to do that. The rape crisis center has reported on the positive experience victims have had when dealing with Gardaí. Wether you agree with how they cope or not you would be hard pressed to fault them on their handling of individual cases.

I only hope that the release of this recording doesn't deter vicitms from coming forward in the future. If it does I hope the people who released it will take their share of the blame for that.

First off, you keep trying to make out that this is gallows humour. It wasn't. Gallows humour needs a gallows to qualify.

Secondly, are you seriously trying to say that people shouldn't report guards being thick? And that they should have kept shtum about a guard saying they would rape someone who they have a duty of care over?

Thirdly, the rape crisis centre that you're using to back up the guards have explicitly said this behaviour was unnacceptable.

Edit: Fourthly(?); If they're 100% there for any victim of a sex crime then they wouldn't make light of such things.