RSU and Garda Van collide in Cork

04-04-2011 05:11PM

Hogzy wrote: »

Its a shame it was the new volvos because they are the most expensive car in the Garda fleet i would think.

But so what about the cost of the vehicle. They are replaceable. The members in them aren't. You have yet to show any concern for their wellbeing yet are more concerned that a vehicle may be wrote off.

04-04-2011 05:12PM

darren254 wrote: »

Can you confirm if you are an active member of AGS please?

What difference does that make?

Hogzy · 04-04-2011 05:16PM

foreign wrote: »

But so what about the cost of the vehicle. They are replaceable. The members in them aren't. You have yet to show any concern for their wellbeing yet are more concerned that a vehicle may be wrote off.

READ MY F-ING POSTS!!!!!!

Hogzy wrote: »

i would think. But they are also probably one of the safest being a volvo.
If they were driving a fiesta or a yaris it could have been worse because they are smaller cars

Hogzy wrote: »

A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

wicklaman83 · 04-04-2011 05:19PM

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eroo · 04-04-2011 05:33PM

darren254 wrote: »

PM sent

Would not mind seeing that PM seeing as you are enquiring about me.

wicklaman83 · 04-04-2011 05:36PM

darren254 wrote: »

Can you confirm if you are an active member of AGS please?

eroo wrote: »

Would not mind seeing that PM seeing as you are enquiring about me.

I see you havent answered my question

04-04-2011 05:37PM

Hogzy wrote: »

Hey folks,
Was coming out of Cork City late last night and the South Link was closed due to a car crash. Found out this morning a Garda Van and one of the RSU units collided.

Does anyone if anyone was injured. From what i saw looking out the window of the taxi there was quite a few ambulances and fire/rescue vehicles.

Hogzy wrote: »

JUST TO ADD

Source

Hogzy wrote: »

At half one in the morning the South Link in Cork isnt at all busy. The junction with the boreenmana road is not in anyway blind and you can see traffic coming from all directions from a good bit away. How two vehicles could collide there i dont know.

How two Garda vehicles with 'trained' drivers and full blues and twos crashed is EXTREMELY strange.
Like i said. The junction is in NO way blind.
This is the junction on street view. Those trees are not there any more

Hogzy wrote: »

Is that Sundays or Mondays Echo?

A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

Hogzy wrote: »

Maybe read the rest of my post :rolleyes:
I said if it were any other car someone may have been killed

Hogzy wrote: »

Its a shame it was the new volvos because they are the most expensive car in the Garda fleet i would think. But they are also probably one of the safest being a volvo. Whats hard to understand about that?
If they were driving a fiesta or a yaris it could have been worse because they are smaller cars

Hogzy wrote: »

READ MY F-ING POSTS!!!!!!

No, no sign of concern about the members wellbeing. Just a throw away comment about "somebody could have been killed". And some concern that one of the Volvo's was damaged.

04-04-2011 05:47PM

roundymac wrote: »

3 were released the following morning, one who had a head injury was kept in but was expected to be released after a short while.

Ah that's good, so. Hopefully they'll all be laughing about it over a cup of tea soon enough.

Best wishes to them. Though I do still find it a perplexing accident. Will be curious to hear how it managed to happen (especially if they were going the same direction).

eroo · 04-04-2011 05:50PM

darren254 wrote: »

I see you havent answered my question

Why do you want to know?

Shield · 04-04-2011 05:58PM

Keep it on-topic please.

msg11 · 04-04-2011 06:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah that's good, so. Hopefully they'll all be laughing about it over a cup of tea soon enough.

Best wishes to them. Though I do still find it a perplexing accident. Will be curious to hear how it managed to happen (especially if they were going the same direction).

Might have been going to the same call from different directions.

What I think happened, both received calls both responded.

Volvo, was on the road already, started to speed up with blues to do a u turn back around to turn back towards the roundabout.

Van on same call, came out of junction maybe at speed with blues, volvo ended up hitting into the van.

Was only thinking about this the other day, I have seen some lads driving on the blues like no tomorrow. No looking at junctions, got me thinking. If one say Garda car approched a junction on blues and say an Ambulance on blues , both drivers no paying attention you get this?

Anyway all above is hear say, hope everyone is in good health and not too bad.

Yes it is sad to see the new Volvo wrecked, but by the looks of it. It done what it was ment to do in an accident protect the people in it. Although the van looks like it took an awful belt from the Volvo.

SeaFields · 04-04-2011 06:56PM

Perplexing indeed. I know that junction well. From looking at the two vehicles, i think the van may have come off the boreenmanna road on to the link and volvo was already on the link - both headin out of the city. Seems to make most amount of sense to me with where the van was hit.

Anyway, that besides, its good everyone is ok. The van driver was extremely lucky from where the car hit it.

TylerIE · 04-04-2011 07:34PM

darren254 wrote: »

I see you havent answered my question

Again what difference does it make???

The Members involved, who regardless of how it occurred, were likely in the process of going to great lengths to serve the public and were injured in doing so. Gardai on a daily basis put themselves in harms way both physically, and perhaps moreso mentally, and its awful when incidents occur that could have huge effects on them and their family.

I would hope that they are in good health and do not suffer any long term effects from the incident and that they make a speedy recovery with support from colleagues and the General Public who they serve.

parsi · 04-04-2011 07:37PM

eroo wrote: »

It's actually sad that so many people believe that the Gardai were doing something wrong at the time, without having any evidence of them doing so. For all you know, they could have been responding to a call for urgent assistance from another colleague. But seeing as this is a current investigation I think the mods should maybe close this topic?

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

04-04-2011 07:57PM

parsi wrote: »

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?

As for your second question, as eroo pointed out, there is an investigation underway and to speculate about it would not be right. We don't do it on here about civvie incidents so lets not start with the Gardaí.

Hogzy · 04-04-2011 07:59PM

parsi wrote: »

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

Both cars were also marked so even if they didnt have their blues on they should have lit up like a christmas tree from a distance.

Like This

foreign wrote: »

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?

Yes it would have been news. One of Corks VITAL traffic arteries was closed for for the bones of 12hrs. Of course it would have been news

As for your second question, as eroo pointed out, there is an investigation underway and to speculate about it would not be right. We don't do it on here about civvie incidents so lets not start with the Gardaí.

Nobody is saying Garda X did it or Garda Y did it. People are making the point that drivers who are trained (whether Gardai, Ambulance or Fire etc) should not be involved in accidents on dual carriageways. If a Garda did break the light (one of them must have and there is nothing wrong with that as they are allowed to) then surly they would have to check for oncoming traffic. If a civilian car had been involved in the accident with a garda car i dont think this protectionist attitude towards the gardai would be arising at all and everyone would probably assume it was the fault of the civilian and not the garda.

An accident like this would make me question the training of the Gardai tbh.

parsi · 04-04-2011 08:02PM

foreign wrote: »

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?.

Of course it would have been news. Any story of two vehicles colliding on an empty road makes the news.

TylerIE · 04-04-2011 08:08PM

parsi wrote: »

Of course it would have been news. Any story of two vehicles colliding on an empty road makes the news.

Funniest thing I heard today!

Any member of any ES or regular driver on here will know of single, two vehicle, three vehicle collisions, pile ups and even minibus and ambulance accidents with serious injuries which dont get reported!!!

If two ESB / Eircom / Ice Cream vans crashed with injuries only and no traffic disruption would it be on the news? Theres hundreds of collisions weekly - there would be nothing else on the news!

Hogzy · 04-04-2011 08:14PM

lst wrote: »

If two ESB / Eircom / Ice Cream vans crashed with injuries only and no traffic disruption would it be on the news?

But there was traffic disruption. the road was closed for half a day. The south link in Cork would be the equivelant to the N11/Stillorgan Dual carriageway in Dublin. During busy hours they would carry a similar amount of traffic. If that closed down it would probably be on RTE

parsi · 04-04-2011 08:15PM

You mustn't read much else than the Review then .

Accidents are the bread and butter of small papers. Accidents that occur in the city, near the journo's office and which occur on an empty road and involve multiple vehicles are even more noteworthy. If of course they cause the road to be closed for hours then woohoo the journo has an even better story.

eroo · 04-04-2011 08:20PM

As already said.. what is being said here is pure speculation.

TylerIE · 04-04-2011 08:27PM

Hogzy wrote: »

But there was traffic disruption. the road was closed for half a day. The south link in Cork would be the equivelant to the N11/Stillorgan Dual carriageway in Dublin. During busy hours they would carry a similar amount of traffic. If that closed down it would probably be on RTE

I stand corrected re the daytime traffic disruption as a result of the clear-up.
I was referring to the time of the collision as the no traffic disruption..

I have never read the Garda Review as it so happens, but regularly read four local newspapers and occasionally Nationals, and its a rare day that I see a non-fatal collision mentioned...

roundymac · 05-04-2011 10:59AM

parsi wrote: »

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

It dos'nt show it on the photo but it would appear that the van exited from a blind spot on the Borreenmana Road. If the volvo was travelling at speed it would'nt have much reaction time. Also if they both had their blues and twos on they would not have realise the other was coming.

Hogzy · 05-04-2011 12:15PM

roundymac wrote: »

It dos'nt show it on the photo but it would appear that the van exited from a blind spot on the Borreenmana Road

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There is NO blind spot on the Boreenmana road. What are you talking about?

If the volvo was travelling at speed it would'nt have much reaction time.

That is absolutely no excuse. They should not be allowed drive at speed in Urban built up areas if they are not able to anticipate that cars will pull out in front of them. Its the whole reason we have speed limits. If gardai are allowed to break these limits lawfully then they should be trained to be more aware of their surroundings.

Also if they both had their blues and twos on they would not have realise the other was coming.

Again if they have their blues and twos on they should be even more aware. One of the cars (be it the van or the volvo) broke a red light or did not yield to oncoming traffic.
Even if they have their sirens on they MUST ALWAYS check to see if there is oncoming traffic who technically have right of way because their light is green.
I am not a trained driver. I am just a regular person. this is ALL common sense.
Someone definitely was not paying due care an attention.

05-04-2011 01:23PM

Hogzy wrote: »

Again if they have their blues and twos on they should be even more aware. One of the cars (be it the van or the volvo) broke a red light or did not yield to oncoming traffic.
Even if they have their sirens on they MUST ALWAYS check to see if there is oncoming traffic who technically have right of way because their light is green.
I am not a trained driver. I am just a regular person. this is ALL common sense.
Someone definitely was not paying due care an attention.

You are also not a trained investigator. Coming on here and slating every Garda driver is just plain stupid. You have failed to take into consideration any vehicle factors (mechanical failure, etc) or road conditions (slippy / obstructions) and just come out with "one of the drivers did something wrong".

This matter is under investigation and that will determine what happened. Not speculation on a bulletin board.

And PARSI, now that you mention it, every single one of the two vehicle accidents has made it into the national media. Some were even the first story on the Six-One News. :rolleyes:

Hogzy · 05-04-2011 01:31PM

foreign wrote: »

Coming on here and slating every Garda driver is just plain stupid.

Show me where i have slated EVERY Garda driver? We are only basing our discussion upon the drivers of the two vehicles involved in the accident and what an ordinary prudent trained driver would/should do in the circumstances as per those on the night in question.

You have failed to take into consideration any vehicle factors (mechanical failure, etc) or road conditions (slippy / obstructions) and just come out with "one of the drivers did something wrong".

Obviously that could also be a factor. The brakes may have failed on one of the cars or they may have gotten a blow out. They are also factors. What we are discussing is the possibility of driver error which is responsible for the majority of accidents on the road. And there is no way in hell you can dispute that fact.

This matter is under investigation and that will determine what happened. Not speculation on a bulletin board.

Yes i know. But it is not against the law to discuss such matter. If

roundymac · 05-04-2011 02:04PM

Jeez Hogzy, I would'nt like to be around when your driving if the you don't consider the junction between the Boreenmana Rd and the South Link to be a blind spot.

05-04-2011 02:15PM

Hogzy wrote: »

An accident like this would make me question the training of the Gardai tbh.

And you are not discussing that one of the drivers may be at fault. You have said in at least two posts that one of the drivers is to blame for running a red light.

05-04-2011 04:46PM

Hogzy wrote: »

If the volvo was travelling at speed it would'nt have much reaction time.

That is absolutely no excuse.

It's a great excuse. If that's what happened, then I find the crash to be completely understandable!

It was a freak accident. The drivers obviously knew that the roadway would be empty and so travelled at speed to reply to a call as quickly as possible. They just got unlucky that another Garda was replying, too, and they happened to meet each other like that.

I'd say had the Volvo been two seconds faster/slower, the whole thing would've been avoided.

Owen · 05-04-2011 05:48PM

I live slightly off the Boreenmana road, and drive that junction every day. It's not a blind spot. I've done the whole roadcraft thing on bikes and in cars, and that's not a dangerous junction once you're travelling at the correct speed for the slip road off the dual carraigeway. It's actually quite a wide section of road given that trucks* turn up there for Murphy Transport every day.

*Even if one truck did overturn there recently, but that's more due to driver negligence IMHO.

RSU and Garda Van collide in Cork

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