RSU and Garda Van collide in Cork

Hogzy

Hey folks,
Was coming out of Cork City late last night and the South Link was closed due to a car crash. Found out this morning a Garda Van and one of the RSU units collided.

Does anyone if anyone was injured. From what i saw looking out the window of the taxi there was quite a few ambulances and fire/rescue vehicles.

Hogzy

JUST TO ADD

The South Link Road in Cork City has re-opened this afternoon, after it was closed for this morning due to a serious car crash in which four gardaí were injured.

Two garda patrol cars collided on the junction of Boreenmana Road at around 1.30am today.

Four officers in their 20s and 30swere taken to Cork University Hospital, but their injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

The Office of the Garda Ombudsman has been informed about the crash.

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I'd hazard a guess they were both on blues and collided at a junction?

Max001

From the way I've seen AGS drive around Cork, breaking every road traffic law possible, while not using blues n twos, this does not surprise me. Standard of use of vehicles is shockingly bad.

eroo

Seeing as RSU and van drivers are trained drivers, I doubt your above post holds any weight in regards to this incident.

Max001

eroo wrote: »

Seeing as RSU and van drivers are trained drivers, I doubt your above post holds any weight in regards to this incident.

Your post has no logic to it. I'd assume all AGS drivers are AGS trained and not merely let loose with civilian licences, but I don't see any evidence of it. If you're referring to advanced or authorised drivers if AGS has such things, I've seen Traffic Corps drivers breaking road traffic regs as often as drivers in marked patrol cars. Whatever AGS drivers are taught, many of them soon forget it. This is especially bad, because they set no standard for civilian drivers to follow.

challengemaster

Max001 wrote: »

Your post has no logic to it. I'd assume all AGS drivers are AGS trained and not merely let loose with civilian licences, but I don't see any evidence of it. If you're referring to advanced or authorised drivers if AGS has such things, I've seen Traffic Corps drivers breaking road traffic regs as often as drivers in marked patrol cars. Whatever AGS drivers are taught, many of them soon forget it. This is especially bad, because they set no standard for civilian drivers to follow.

Have to agree, one broke a red light in Athlone town during the week and nearly went into the side of the ma (who had a green filter light for turning right) And no they didn't have the blues on...

eroo

Well if you see Gardai driving in a manner you feel is dangerous or wrong then report it to your local station.

Hogzy

At half one in the morning the South Link in Cork isnt at all busy. The junction with the boreenmana road is not in anyway blind and you can see traffic coming from all directions from a good bit away. How two vehicles could collide there i dont know.

How two Garda vehicles with 'trained' drivers and full blues and twos crashed is EXTREMELY strange.
Like i said. The junction is in NO way blind.
This is the junction on street view. Those trees are not there any more

challengemaster

eroo wrote: »

Well if you see Gardai driving in a manner you feel is dangerous or wrong then report it to your local station.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70666773&postcount=2949

Apparently the Gardaí don't like being told they're wrong

doolox

This reporting of cops would work in an ordinary democracy but we do not live in one. Best to say nothing and get out of the way fast when dealing with authorities, such as AGS.

charlemont

I could see the blue lights at start of South Link last night from my apartment but I thought it was a checkpoint, didnt realise what happened till I saw the news.

goldie fish

doolox wrote: »

This reporting of cops would work in an ordinary democracy but we do not live in one. Best to say nothing and get out of the way fast when dealing with authorities, such as AGS.

I was almost T Boned by a traffic corps people carrier recently, she came straight through a stop sign, not as much as a hesitation.
Not even responding to an urgent call, sauntered along in front of me for 10 miles, then pulled in, turned around, and went back from whence she came.
When I stopped her I got the "I didn't see ye, did you nearly hit me"?

The Fact is, there are not enough qualified garda drivers out there.
Most have a full licence and no more. However if the RSU and Paddy wagon were involved, one can only assume both drivers had the driving course done.

testicle

eroo wrote: »

Well if you see Gardai driving in a manner you feel is dangerous or wrong then report it to your local station.

Report it to the station if you want to be ignored, report it to the Ombudsman if you want something done about it.

searescue

The RSU - Volvo Boys?

Hope they don't replace it with an Avensis if it was a write off - as far as I know they were all liveried up etc. in the UK - will they pay for this to be done again?

roundymac

Both were going in the same direction, on a dual carrigeway!!!

Roar

From the Evening Echo

pegasus1

i wonder if there is any in house rivalry between the said 2 drivers?:rolleyes:

roundymac

mmm, this gets more interesting, the caption says that they were both travelling towards the Kinsale Road roundabout. This camara is facing towards the roundabout, my inital take was that they were travelling towards the camara and that maybe the van lost control, spun sideways and got T boned by the volvo. But if they were going the other way,ahh the penny just dropped. The van came from the left off the Borreenmana Road onto the dual carraigeway and the volvo T boned it, they must have both been legging it.

Hogzy

Roar wrote: »

From the Evening Echo

Is that Sundays or Mondays Echo?


A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

Roar

Hogzy wrote: »

Is that Sundays or Mondays Echo?


A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

sorry, that's todays. Echo doesn't come out on a Sunday.

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

What does it matter that it was the volvo? 4 people were injured and had to be taken to hospital. Luckily not too seriously from the reports.

donvito99

Jesus thats some smash. Hope all recover quickly.

Hogzy

foreign wrote: »

What does it matter that it was the volvo? 4 people were injured and had to be taken to hospital. Luckily not too seriously from the reports.

Maybe read the rest of my post :rolleyes:
I said if it were any other car someone may have been killed

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

Maybe read the rest of my post :rolleyes:
I said if it were any other car someone may have been killed

Why couldn't they have been killed in the Volvo though? The car is in-material. Hit something the wrong way or get hit by debris or if the speed is so great and you could be killed. I just think your whole post is a bit silly. Sure, they could have been on the beat and been hit by the van. :rolleyes:

Hogzy

foreign wrote: »

Why couldn't they have been killed in the Volvo though? The car is in-material. Hit something the wrong way or get hit by debris or if the speed is so great and you could be killed. I just think your whole post is a bit silly. Sure, they could have been on the beat and been hit by the van. :rolleyes:

Its a shame it was the new volvos because they are the most expensive car in the Garda fleet i would think. But they are also probably one of the safest being a volvo. Whats hard to understand about that?
If they were driving a fiesta or a yaris it could have been worse because they are smaller cars

That's some serious damage. You'd think the van drove out in front of an articulated lorry!

Do we know the extent of the injuries? I heard they're not life threatening, but are they bad at all? or will everyone be 100% in a matter of days?

eroo

It's actually sad that so many people believe that the Gardai were doing something wrong at the time, without having any evidence of them doing so. For all you know, they could have been responding to a call for urgent assistance from another colleague. But seeing as this is a current investigation I think the mods should maybe close this topic?

roundymac

3 were released the following morning, one who had a head injury was kept in but was expected to be released after a short while.

roundymac

eroo wrote: »

It's actually sad that so many people believe that the Gardai were doing something wrong at the time, without having any evidence of them doing so. For all you know, they could have been responding to a call for urgent assistance from another colleague. But seeing as this is a current investigation I think the mods should maybe close this topic?

They were responding to a call.

wicklaman83

eroo wrote: »

It's actually sad that so many people believe that the Gardai were doing something wrong at the time, without having any evidence of them doing so. For all you know, they could have been responding to a call for urgent assistance from another colleague. But seeing as this is a current investigation I think the mods should maybe close this topic?

Can you confirm if you are an active member of AGS please?

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

Its a shame it was the new volvos because they are the most expensive car in the Garda fleet i would think.

But so what about the cost of the vehicle. They are replaceable. The members in them aren't. You have yet to show any concern for their wellbeing yet are more concerned that a vehicle may be wrote off.

darren254

darren254 wrote: »

Can you confirm if you are an active member of AGS please?

What difference does that make?

Hogzy

foreign wrote: »

But so what about the cost of the vehicle. They are replaceable. The members in them aren't. You have yet to show any concern for their wellbeing yet are more concerned that a vehicle may be wrote off.

READ MY F-ING POSTS!!!!!!

Hogzy wrote: »

i would think. But they are also probably one of the safest being a volvo.
If they were driving a fiesta or a yaris it could have been worse because they are smaller cars

Hogzy wrote: »

A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

wicklaman83

PM sent

eroo

darren254 wrote: »

PM sent

Would not mind seeing that PM seeing as you are enquiring about me.

wicklaman83

darren254 wrote: »

Can you confirm if you are an active member of AGS please?

eroo wrote: »

Would not mind seeing that PM seeing as you are enquiring about me.

I see you havent answered my question

Hogzy

Hogzy wrote: »

Hey folks,
Was coming out of Cork City late last night and the South Link was closed due to a car crash. Found out this morning a Garda Van and one of the RSU units collided.

Does anyone if anyone was injured. From what i saw looking out the window of the taxi there was quite a few ambulances and fire/rescue vehicles.

Hogzy wrote: »

JUST TO ADD



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Hogzy wrote: »

At half one in the morning the South Link in Cork isnt at all busy. The junction with the boreenmana road is not in anyway blind and you can see traffic coming from all directions from a good bit away. How two vehicles could collide there i dont know.

How two Garda vehicles with 'trained' drivers and full blues and twos crashed is EXTREMELY strange.
Like i said. The junction is in NO way blind.
This is the junction on street view. Those trees are not there any more

Hogzy wrote: »

Is that Sundays or Mondays Echo?


A shame that it involved one of the new volvos. Mind you the outcome may have been different if they were an old mondeo. Someone could have been killed.

Hogzy wrote: »

Maybe read the rest of my post :rolleyes:
I said if it were any other car someone may have been killed

Hogzy wrote: »

Its a shame it was the new volvos because they are the most expensive car in the Garda fleet i would think. But they are also probably one of the safest being a volvo. Whats hard to understand about that?
If they were driving a fiesta or a yaris it could have been worse because they are smaller cars

Hogzy wrote: »

READ MY F-ING POSTS!!!!!!

No, no sign of concern about the members wellbeing. Just a throw away comment about "somebody could have been killed". And some concern that one of the Volvo's was damaged.

roundymac

roundymac wrote: »

3 were released the following morning, one who had a head injury was kept in but was expected to be released after a short while.

Ah that's good, so. Hopefully they'll all be laughing about it over a cup of tea soon enough.

Best wishes to them. Though I do still find it a perplexing accident. Will be curious to hear how it managed to happen (especially if they were going the same direction).

eroo

darren254 wrote: »

I see you havent answered my question

Why do you want to know?

Shield

Keep it on-topic please.

msg11

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah that's good, so. Hopefully they'll all be laughing about it over a cup of tea soon enough.

Best wishes to them. Though I do still find it a perplexing accident. Will be curious to hear how it managed to happen (especially if they were going the same direction).

Might have been going to the same call from different directions.

What I think happened, both received calls both responded.

Volvo, was on the road already, started to speed up with blues to do a u turn back around to turn back towards the roundabout.

Van on same call, came out of junction maybe at speed with blues, volvo ended up hitting into the van.

Was only thinking about this the other day, I have seen some lads driving on the blues like no tomorrow. No looking at junctions, got me thinking. If one say Garda car approched a junction on blues and say an Ambulance on blues , both drivers no paying attention you get this?

Anyway all above is hear say, hope everyone is in good health and not too bad.

Yes it is sad to see the new Volvo wrecked, but by the looks of it. It done what it was ment to do in an accident protect the people in it. Although the van looks like it took an awful belt from the Volvo.

SeaFields

Perplexing indeed. I know that junction well. From looking at the two vehicles, i think the van may have come off the boreenmanna road on to the link and volvo was already on the link - both headin out of the city. Seems to make most amount of sense to me with where the van was hit.

Anyway, that besides, its good everyone is ok. The van driver was extremely lucky from where the car hit it.

TylerIE

darren254 wrote: »

I see you havent answered my question

Again what difference does it make???

The Members involved, who regardless of how it occurred, were likely in the process of going to great lengths to serve the public and were injured in doing so. Gardai on a daily basis put themselves in harms way both physically, and perhaps moreso mentally, and its awful when incidents occur that could have huge effects on them and their family.

I would hope that they are in good health and do not suffer any long term effects from the incident and that they make a speedy recovery with support from colleagues and the General Public who they serve.

parsi

eroo wrote: »

It's actually sad that so many people believe that the Gardai were doing something wrong at the time, without having any evidence of them doing so. For all you know, they could have been responding to a call for urgent assistance from another colleague. But seeing as this is a current investigation I think the mods should maybe close this topic?

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

parsi

parsi wrote: »

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?

As for your second question, as eroo pointed out, there is an investigation underway and to speculate about it would not be right. We don't do it on here about civvie incidents so lets not start with the Gardaí.

Hogzy

parsi wrote: »

If the vehicles involved were a Hiace and a Civic then there would be plenty of speculation about the incident.

I think it is a valid question - how can two vehicles driven by trained personnel crash on an empty road with excellent sightlines ?

Both cars were also marked so even if they didnt have their blues on they should have lit up like a christmas tree from a distance.

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foreign wrote: »

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?

Yes it would have been news. One of Corks VITAL traffic arteries was closed for for the bones of 12hrs. Of course it would have been news

As for your second question, as eroo pointed out, there is an investigation underway and to speculate about it would not be right. We don't do it on here about civvie incidents so lets not start with the Gardaí.

Nobody is saying Garda X did it or Garda Y did it. People are making the point that drivers who are trained (whether Gardai, Ambulance or Fire etc) should not be involved in accidents on dual carriageways. If a Garda did break the light (one of them must have and there is nothing wrong with that as they are allowed to) then surly they would have to check for oncoming traffic. If a civilian car had been involved in the accident with a garda car i dont think this protectionist attitude towards the gardai would be arising at all and everyone would probably assume it was the fault of the civilian and not the garda.

An accident like this would make me question the training of the Gardai tbh.

parsi

foreign wrote: »

If it was the vehicles as described by yourself would it even be news? If the ombudsman hadn't been called would it have been news?.

Of course it would have been news. Any story of two vehicles colliding on an empty road makes the news.

TylerIE

parsi wrote: »

Of course it would have been news. Any story of two vehicles colliding on an empty road makes the news.

Funniest thing I heard today!

Any member of any ES or regular driver on here will know of single, two vehicle, three vehicle collisions, pile ups and even minibus and ambulance accidents with serious injuries which dont get reported!!!

If two ESB / Eircom / Ice Cream vans crashed with injuries only and no traffic disruption would it be on the news? Theres hundreds of collisions weekly - there would be nothing else on the news!

Hogzy

lst wrote: »

If two ESB / Eircom / Ice Cream vans crashed with injuries only and no traffic disruption would it be on the news?

But there was traffic disruption. the road was closed for half a day. The south link in Cork would be the equivelant to the N11/Stillorgan Dual carriageway in Dublin. During busy hours they would carry a similar amount of traffic. If that closed down it would probably be on RTE

parsi

You mustn't read much else than the Review then .

Accidents are the bread and butter of small papers. Accidents that occur in the city, near the journo's office and which occur on an empty road and involve multiple vehicles are even more noteworthy. If of course they cause the road to be closed for hours then woohoo the journo has an even better story.