Lutheran countries are in better shape

whiteonion · 04-04-2011 11:15AM #1

You can't ignore the fact that Lutheran countries are in much better shape than Catholic countries. Is there any Catholic country in good shape at the moment? The closest thing to be in "good shape" is probably France and I wouldn't say that they are in good shape. Ireland should learn from the Lutheran countries and become more like them so it can be great again. I don't say that everyone should convert to Lutheranism, but we should replace Catholic morals with Lutheran ones. Lutherans are much less tolerant of corruption and other bad sides of human nature. For some reason Catholics are willing to accept corruption.

Gunsfortoys · 04-04-2011 11:16AM

:rolleyes:

Predator_ · 04-04-2011 11:17AM

Anti Irish Catholic troll alert

4zn76tysfajdxp · 04-04-2011 11:17AM

whiteonion wrote: »

Lutherans are much less tolerant of corruption

Dunno about that. My girlfriend's Lutheran and she's corrupted pretty good.

pickarooney · 04-04-2011 11:22AM

Brazil, one of the biggest emerging economies in the world, is largely Roman Catholic.

Ghost Buster · 04-04-2011 11:24AM

Predator_ wrote: »

Anti Irish Catholic troll alert

Irish = Catholic bullsh1t alert

whiteonion · 04-04-2011 11:26AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Brazil, one of the biggest emerging economies in the world, is largely Roman Catholic.

I'd prefer Germany every day over the violent country that is Brazil. It still suffers from widespread poverty and a high rate of crime. I think China is safer than Brazil.

Captain Darling · 04-04-2011 11:27AM

Why should organised religion come into it at all?

Its for suckers.

pickarooney · 04-04-2011 11:30AM

whiteonion wrote: »

I'd prefer Germany every day over the violent country that is Brazil. It still suffers from widespread poverty and a high rate of crime. I think China is safer than Brazil.

But Ireland doesn't have widespread poverty or a high crime rate. What's your criteria for 'better shape'? Something like Iceland?

super_furry · 04-04-2011 11:31AM

How's Namibia doing?

Tabnabs · 04-04-2011 11:32AM

Probably all the Catholics in Germany that make it such a powerhouse.

But then you did know that there are just 7% fewer Catholic's than Protestants in Germany didn't you...

FatherLen · 04-04-2011 11:33AM

religion does not make a difference in economics

Captain Darling · 04-04-2011 11:35AM

FatherLen wrote: »

religion does not make a difference in economics

That would be an ecumenical matter, Father.

CokaColumbo · 04-04-2011 11:36AM

We need some good old fashioned Presbylutheranism to get us out of the recession!

whiteonion · 04-04-2011 11:41AM

I would want a state without any official religion... it should not endorse any single religion.

Sanjuro · 04-04-2011 11:45AM

Yeah, that's just what this country... or any country needs. Stronger ties between church and state. :rolleyes:

My name is URL · 04-04-2011 11:50AM

whiteonion wrote: »

we should replace Catholic morals with Lutheran ones

Why? Can people not have morals which are not based on religious teaching?

SafeSurfer · 04-04-2011 11:50AM

Yeah the Lutherans of China are the backbone of it's economy.

Austria, Luxembourg and Switzerland are majority catholic and are in pretty good shape.

suicide_circus · 04-04-2011 11:51AM

Bayern (southern German state, capital Munich) is traditionally one of the wealthiest Bundesländer while also being the bastion of catholicism in Germany.

Snakeblood · 04-04-2011 11:52AM

I've been ignoring it for years.

galah · 04-04-2011 11:54AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Bayern (southern German state, capital Munich) is traditionally one of the wealthiest Bundesländer while also being the bastion of catholicism in Germany.

excatly. While Schleswig-Holstein, a pretty much pure protestant county, is not doing well at all. Although maybe the North-South divide comes into play here as well?

DrumSteve · 04-04-2011 11:55AM

Religion eh? Bloody hell.

sollar · 04-04-2011 12:00PM

I agree with you the catholic church is not good news. Catholic guilt, anything goes wrong - pray, the church knows best etc etc.

Logical Fallacy · 04-04-2011 12:02PM

whiteonion wrote: »

You can't ignore the fact that Lutheran countries are in much better shape than Catholic countries. Is there any Catholic country in good shape at the moment? The closest thing to be in "good shape" is probably France and I wouldn't say that they are in good shape. Ireland should learn from the Lutheran countries and become more like them so it can be great again. I don't say that everyone should convert to Lutheranism, but we should replace Catholic morals with Lutheran ones. Lutherans are much less tolerant of corruption and other bad sides of human nature. For some reason Catholics are willing to accept corruption.

Do you have anything to back this up or are you just gonna babble?

CokaColumbo · 04-04-2011 12:06PM

Please tell me that people aren't actually taking this thread seriously.

pickarooney · 04-04-2011 12:07PM

FatherLen wrote: »

religion does not make a difference in economics

Maybe it does a bit. Holland's legendary parsimony is usually tied in with its Protestant mores. Then again, nobody gives a toss about religion there any more.

ejmaztec · 04-04-2011 12:10PM

CokaColumbo wrote: »

Please tell me that people aren't actually taking this thread seriously.

It's another failed attempt at getting us all into a bit of a pickle.

OneArt · 04-04-2011 12:15PM

It makes sense I guess, though I think in this day and age the 'state' religion shouldn't really be figured into it.

And anyway, a good economy doesn't necessarily mean a good country. They just have a lot of money. Ireland was wealthy and it was still a sh!thole.

mike65 · 04-04-2011 12:17PM

The biggest differences can be seen in the official corruption stats for europe, basicly northern Europe won't demand a pay off to avoid a fine Southern Europe will. Obviously its not a 100% correlation.

# 1 Iceland: 9.7
= 2 Finland: 9.6

# 4 Denmark: 9.5

# 6 Sweden: 9.2
# 7 Switzerland: 9.1
# 8 Norway: 8.9

# 10 Austria: 8.7
= 11 United Kingdom: 8.6
= 11 Netherlands: 8.6
# 13 Luxembourg: 8.5

# 16 Germany:8.2

# 18 France: 7.5
= 19 Ireland: 7.4
= 19 Belgium: 7.4

# 23 Spain: 7

# 25 Malta: 6.6
# 26 Portugal: 6.5
# 27 Estonia: 6.4

# 31 Slovenia: 6.1

= 37 Cyprus: 5.7

= 40 Hungary: 5

= 40 Italy: 5

= 47 Slovakia: 4.3
= 47 Greece: 4.3

Corsendonk · 04-04-2011 12:22PM

mike65 wrote: »

The biggest differences can be seen in the official corruption stats for europe, basicly northern Europe won't demand a pay off to avoid a fine Southern Europe will. Obviously its not a 100% correlation.

# 1 Iceland: 9.7
= 2 Finland: 9.6

# 4 Denmark: 9.5

# 6 Sweden: 9.2
# 7 Switzerland: 9.1
# 8 Norway: 8.9

# 10 Austria: 8.7
= 11 United Kingdom: 8.6
= 11 Netherlands: 8.6
# 13 Luxembourg: 8.5

# 16 Germany:8.2

# 18 France: 7.5
= 19 Ireland: 7.4
= 19 Belgium: 7.4

# 23 Spain: 7

# 25 Malta: 6.6
# 26 Portugal: 6.5
# 27 Estonia: 6.4

# 31 Slovenia: 6.1

= 37 Cyprus: 5.7

= 40 Hungary: 5

= 40 Italy: 5

= 47 Slovakia: 4.3
= 47 Greece: 4.3

Interesting to note that No 1 is Iceland that also had a banking crisis, just proves that stupity also plays a part in banking collaspes not just corruption.

04-04-2011 12:22PM

whiteonion wrote: »

Anti-Catholic trollololololololololololololoo........

In other news, countries with predominantly white-skinned citizens consistently make more per capita than ones with black-skinned citizens.

Is it against charter to say STFU trolling OP? If so, then I'll just go for "give over, you crazy OP. Do us all a favour and go soapbox someplace else."

Lutheran countries are in better shape

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