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UN workers killed in Afghanistan

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  • #62
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Would you burn the Qur'an, or any other item (doesn't have to be a holy book) if you were told it would 100% result in the death of innocent people?
    Answer me this.

    Why does burning the Qur'an or in fact protesting against or criticising Islam in any way almost always have a guaranteed death toll?


  • #63
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    irishconvert wrote: »
    So you would go ahead with a meaningless action which you know would result in the death of innocent people. That's lovely. Shows the value you put on human life. :rolleyes:

    To be pedantic, I think could is more apt.

    No matter how many times one would hear related stories on the news or in the paper, it's still quite hard to believe that people can murder innocents over taking a lighter to a piece of paper


  • #64
    LondonIrish90
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭LondonIrish90


    irishconvert wrote: »
    So you would go ahead with a meaningless action which you know would result in the death of innocent people. That's lovely. Shows the value you put on human life. :rolleyes:

    :D Its quite amusing that you are trying to turn the argument against me, and have actually criticized the value I put on life, when the taliban have just beheaded 8 people trying to make Afghanistan a better, safer place.

    I have no objection to my taxes being spent on the manufacture of .50 rounds if they are being sent in the direction of these boys, I certainly dont put much value on their existence!


  • #65
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Answer me this.

    Why does burning the Qur'an or in fact protesting against or criticising Islam in any way almost always have a guaranteed death toll?

    Because some people in some parts of the world are a bit crazy.


  • #66
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Out of curiousty, do you think that cartoonist should bear responsibility for his murder by Islamic extremists for the hideous crime of drawing a picture of their prophet?
    no,you are right thier.but as you say.
    islamic exremists....are just that....just like that yank loony:o:p


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  • #67
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Because some people in some parts of the world are a bit crazy.
    No. A proper answer if you will.


  • #68
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    :D Its quite amusing that you are trying to turn the argument against me, and have actually criticized the value I put on life, when the taliban have just beheaded 8 people trying to make Afghanistan a better, safer place.

    I didn't defend the killing of the UN workers, in fact I said it was wrong.


  • #69
    Revolution9
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Answer me this.

    Why does burning the Qur'an or in fact protesting against or criticising Islam in any way almost always have a guaranteed death toll?

    I think that's more to do with that part of the world being more rather uncivilised, less-educated and generally not as advanced as Western countries than it has to do with Islam.

    More people probably died in the name of Christianity in Europe when we were a more simple people.


  • #70
    irishconvert
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    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    No. A proper answer if you will.

    If I go into a pub in certain parts of Dublin for example, and make certain comments, I will end up in the ICU in St James Hospital. You get crazy extreme people in this world, of all religions, and of no religions.

    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?


  • #71
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    deco nate wrote: »
    no,you are right thier.but as you say.
    islamic exremists....are just that....just like that yank loony:o:p

    While the pastor was bit a extreme in burning the book it's hardly "just like" chopping off an innocent person's head.


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  • #72
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    I think that's more to do with that part of the world being more rather uncivilised, less-educated and generally not as advanced as Western countries than it has to do with Islam.

    More people probably died in the name of Christianity in Europe when we were a more simple people.

    There are Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and people of many other Religions living in dire poverty across Africa and Asia. They are the epitome of underdeveloped yet I have never heard of either Hindu, Buddhist or Christian extremists murdering innocent people for something that someone else did.


  • #73
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    There are Hindus, Buddhists, Christians and people of many other Religions living in dire poverty across Africa and Asia. They are the epitome of underdeveloped yet I have never heard of either Hindu, Buddhist or Christian extremists murdering innocent people for something that someone else did.

    Actually you don't know the full story. Maybe they were unhappy with a foreign army, the UN, occuping their country and this Qur'an burning was just a catalyst to the attack. Again, I am in no way excusing what happened.


  • #74
    g5fd6ow0hseima
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    irishconvert wrote: »
    If I go into a pub in certain parts of Dublin for example, and make certain comments, I will end up in the ICU in St James Hospital. You get crazy extreme people in this world, of all religions, and of no religions.

    Inciting violence in an alcohol-fuelled environment isnt an apt comparison - unless I got beaten up for giving out about the quality of the pints
    irishconvert wrote: »
    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?

    Because they're being 'corrupted' by modernising, secular, free-thinking forces.


  • #75
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    irishconvert wrote: »
    If I go into a pub in certain parts of Dublin for example, and make certain comments, I will end up in the ICU in St James Hospital. You get crazy extreme people in this world, of all religions, and of no religions.

    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?
    There are laws here in the UK and Ireland preventing them. I assume as a Muslim you are aware of التقية (Dissimulation)?

    More to the point. Why is that even the merest slight at Islam triggers such a violent global response?


  • #76
    LondonIrish90
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    irishconvert wrote: »
    Actually you don't know the full story. Maybe they were unhappy with a foreign army, the UN, occuping their country and this Qur'an burning was just a catalyst to the attack. Again, I am in no way excusing what happened.

    The UN aren't an army, and secondly, they aren't occupying their country. They are their with the permission of the Afghani government to provide protection to the people of the country, and the destroy the taliban.

    Also, you have just suggested that maybe the burning of a book didn't cause this attack, yet you questioned people several times earlier as to whether they would have done something similar considering the likely outcome? Which is it, they killed because of the book, or they killed because its what they do, and the book thing raises the profile?


  • #77
    irishconvert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    Zahir Vast Dolt wrote: »
    Inciting violence in an alcohol-fuelled environment isnt an apt comparison - unless I got beaten up for giving out about the quality of the pints



    Because they're being 'corrupted' by modernising, secular, free-thinking forces.

    I'm not secular, none of the Muslim scholars I know are secular. However they are highly educated and they would not support these murders.


  • #78
    deco nate
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    Revolution9 wrote: »
    While the pastor was bit a extreme in burning the book it's hardly "just like" chopping off an innocent person's head.
    but that is what he done,if you read up on it.he was told what would
    happen cause of his actions,and he did it anyway.
    that was what i was sayin..un forces are not allwould to fight back unless
    under attack.but a lot of the un are not in any army


  • #79
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    irishconvert wrote: »
    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?
    because they'd get trampled.


  • #80
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    irishconvert wrote: »
    Actually you don't know the full story. Maybe they were unhappy with a foreign army, the UN, occuping their country and this Qur'an burning was just a catalyst to the attack. Again, I am in no way excusing what happened.
    And you don't appear to have even read the thread title.

    The UN is not an army. The people killed were UN workers aiding the people.


  • #81
    LondonIrish90
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    irishconvert wrote: »
    If I go into a pub in certain parts of Dublin for example, and make certain comments, I will end up in the ICU in St James Hospital. You get crazy extreme people in this world, of all religions, and of no religions.

    If you're trying to blame this killing on Islam, then tell me, how come Muslims in UK and Ireland don't kick off in the same way?

    Comparing a bar fight to a theologically driven decapitation. Very nice.

    Also, I don't know if you ever read the news, but muslims have "kicked off" in a fairly murderous way in the UK, and would have done so hundreds of other times if it wasn't for the stirling work of MI5 and the police.


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  • #82
    g5fd6ow0hseima
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    irishconvert wrote: »
    I'm not secular, none of the Muslim scholars I know are secular. However they are highly educated and they would not support these murders.

    Ok then, why is it that it is no longer morally acceptable to undertake literal interpretations of religious texts - namely the Bible & Quran?


  • #83
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    LondonIrish90 wrote: »
    Comparing a bar fight to a theologically driven decapitation. Very nice.

    Also, I don't know if you ever read the news, but muslims have "kicked off" in a fairly murderous way in the UK, and would have done so hundreds of other times if it wasn't for the stirling work of MI5 and the police.
    nice,change your post.but thier are morons in every part of the world.
    of all races...


  • #84
    Revolution9
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    deco nate wrote: »
    but that is what he done,if you read up on it.he was told what would
    happen cause of his actions,and he did it anyway.
    that was what i was sayin..un forces are not allwould to fight back unless
    under attack.but a lot of the un are not in any army

    Murdering innocent people is not an automatic reaction to getting offended. The extremists should have the will to restrain themselves from decapitating innocents when they are insulted.

    Burning a book, even when he knew what *could* happen still does not equate to the massacre carried out at the UN.


  • #85
    LondonIrish90
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    deco nate wrote: »
    nice,change your post.but thier are morons in every part of the world.
    of all races...

    Ask a mod, I didn't remove anything distasteful. I added the second point which I didn't think warranted being posted directly beneath. Don't even know why that is an issue anyway.


  • #86
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    deco nate wrote: »
    nice,change your post.but thier are morons in every part of the world.
    of all races...
    Yes, there sure is...


    That said though, there are few whose reaction to the actions of a man a few thousand miles away would be to kill innocent people trying to help them.


  • #87
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Murdering innocent people is not an automatic reaction to getting offended. The extremists should have the will to restrain themselves from decapitating innocents when they are insulted.

    Burning a book, even when he knew what *could* happen still does not equate to the massacre carried out at the UN.

    my point was he was told what would happen,not mighthappen.


  • #88
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    deco nate wrote: »
    my point was he was told what would happen,not mighthappen.
    He was told exactly what would happen?

    Who exactly forecast the future? Or has a time machine been invented without me realising?


  • #89
    Revolution9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,743 ✭✭✭Revolution9


    deco nate wrote: »
    my point was he was told what would happen,not mighthappen.

    Look, I agree that this pastor is an idiot. But the burden of responsibility for a murder lies with the murderer. No excuses should be made for them.


  • #90
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    so do you think by burnin it they would throw a party in the streets?
    really??!:rolleyes:


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  • #91
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Revolution9 wrote: »
    Look, I agree that this pastor is an idiot. But the burden of responsibility for a murder lies with the murderer. No excuses should be made for them.
    i agree with you on this:).
    it just seemed to me that,on here the pastor was bein backed
    way too much, and the muslims were bein blamed for all.
    most muslims are nice,good,and law abiding citzens.
    (im a cat,tbh)


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