UN workers killed in Afghanistan

partyatmygaff · 01-04-2011 08:08PM

Or to be even more relevant... when the Taliban destroyed ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan were any Buddhists rushing out to behead people?

Mister men · 01-04-2011 08:29PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

Right so. You do know the difference between burning a book and cutting a persons head off right?

Latchy · 01-04-2011 08:49PM

Whenever anybody was murdered in NI during the troubles it was to provoke as much as anything and usually met with retaliation by the other side or by individuals, with little or no regard for any innocent person ( or persons ) unfortunate to be the next victim .

That pastor sure as hell didn't burn the book with a gang of easily wound up Taliban led Muslims outside his house and he didn't give a flying fcuk or put much or any thought into what reaction this would cause ,that's the tragedy .

Royal Irish · 01-04-2011 09:03PM

Mister men wrote: »

Right so. You do know the difference between burning a book and cutting a persons head off right?

That was pointed out and answered earlier. My fault I didnt make my post look more sarcastic.

Royal Irish wrote: »

I should have put a rolling eyes smiley at the end of my original post to emphasis the sarcasm.

philologos · 01-04-2011 10:12PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

I cant think of who is worse, the US preacher who burned the Koran or the Islamic extremists who beheaded 2 of the UN workers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0401/afghanistan.html

Of course the latter. Burning a book is just stupid, killing people because someone burned a book is plain criminal.

I don't see why burning books themselves should be illegal. What I do think is that burning outdoors in general would be considered a violation of a public ordinance thus dealing with the whole burning books you don't like thing.

If they want to get riled up about burning books they should look up "Qur'an burning" on youtube or "Bible burning" the other way around. Not uncommon. Most of us just ignore it and think of the fact that there are millions of other copies bought every day.

yammycat · 01-04-2011 10:20PM

Jakkass wrote: »

What I do think is that burning outdoors in general would be considered a violation of a public ordinance thus dealing with the whole burning books you don't like thing.

I doubt not being able to burn it in public would make any difference, he could invite the cameras into his house and throw it in the fire.

philologos · 01-04-2011 10:25PM

yammycat wrote: »

I doubt not being able to burn it in public would make any difference, he could invite the cameras into his house and throw it in the fire.

His house, his fire, his Qur'an, Bible, Vedas, The God Delusion :pac: etc.

It's a highly anti-intellectual practice, but people should have the liberty to burn what they want in their own home. Although if there is excessive smoke generated by ones burning this is where public ordinances might be involved.

Personally, I obviously treat the Bible with a lot of respect because it is a book I revere, and if someone were to burn the Bible that would be a negative reflection on them. Ultimately however, the Bible isn't just paper and print, the words endure because they are God's words. This is why it is different to distinguish between the words on the page, and the page itself. The page itself isn't what is valuable, but it is the words that are valuable.

The question is why can't Muslims see the Qur'an in the same way? Perhaps a question to be asked over in the Islam forum but surely you can get what I mean.

yammycat · 01-04-2011 10:32PM

Jakkass wrote: »

but surely you can get what I mean.

I do, I wonder would they be upset if I deleted a digital version of the quran ?

deco nate · 01-04-2011 10:50PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Well one lad burned a book, the others murdered two men... You cant tell who is worse?

do you know this is the same guy that said he was gonna do this
a few months ago,the yanks had a "chat"with him sayin how much
damage it would do,and he back off.knowin people would be killed
because of this.yet he turns around and doe's it anyway?:eek:
he is a arsehole that just wants to start ****,no matter what the
cost to people that are tryin to help others.
ie he is a fookin scumbag:mad:

Celly Smunt · 01-04-2011 10:56PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No no no, you are mistaken. The Taliban rule Afghanistan and are who the people want. The UN are only there to kill their children and steal their oil.

you are talking the way an outsider would look at Ireland with the I.R.A,you're mistaken sir,and as for the whole "U.N killing children and stealing oil",don't be an idiot.

FunnyStuff · 01-04-2011 11:34PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

you are talking the way an outsider would look at Ireland with the I.R.A,you're mistaken sir,and as for the whole "U.N killing children and stealing oil",don't be an idiot.

is there a problem with people's sarcasm detectors tonight??

Celly Smunt · 01-04-2011 11:35PM

FunnyStuff wrote: »

is there a problem with people's sarcasm detectors tonight??

nah just yore ma

R0ot · 01-04-2011 11:44PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Well one is an idiot and the other is a murderer. I think murder probably just beats idiocy.

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

yammycat · 01-04-2011 11:53PM

R0ot wrote: »

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

The guy was perfectly entitled to burn the book and bears no responsibility for the crazed actions of certain individuals, none at all.

partyatmygaff · 01-04-2011 11:56PM

deco nate wrote: »

ie he is a fookin scumbag:mad:

Yes yes...

The preacher making a peaceful protest is the "fooking scumbag" and the barbarians who beheaded innocent people helping them are just poor innocent lambs.

I rarely do this but :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff · 01-04-2011 11:58PM

R0ot wrote: »

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

People do things that may be perceived as offensive every day. It's hardly his fault that there are barbarians out there who will kill indiscriminately at even the smallest slight at their beliefs.

deco nate · 02-04-2011 12:02AM

yammycat wrote: »

The guy was perfectly entitled to burn the book and bears no responsibility for the crazed actions of certain individuals, none at all.

bull****!he was told months ago what his actions would cause,
thier was a media frenzie bout it.an he backed down.then he turns
round an and does it anyway knowin full well that people will
be killed cause of it.the blood is just as much on his hands.
crazed actions work both ways,dont defend this loony:mad:

deco nate · 02-04-2011 12:03AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes yes...

The preacher making a peaceful protest is the "fooking scumbag" and the barbarians who beheaded innocent people helping them are just poor innocent lambs.

I rarely do this but :rolleyes:

he done it to incite murder:rolleyes:
and quote the whole post thank you.
(or do you work for the sun newspaper)

irishconvert · 02-04-2011 12:08AM

Svetti Arss wrote: »

And im sure that most sane people would agree. Welcome to Islam..

This is not Islam. Islam is against murder like this.

Celly Smunt · 02-04-2011 12:09AM

i guess this is the time where you get popcorn for real *really gets popcorn*

irishconvert · 02-04-2011 12:10AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes yes...

The preacher making a peaceful protest is the "fooking scumbag" and the barbarians who beheaded innocent people helping them are just poor innocent lambs.

I rarely do this but :rolleyes:

Shouldn't the pastor bear some responsibility for this? Sure, the murders were totally wrong, but he was told this would happen in certain parts of the world if he went ahead with the burning. Now if someone tells me that my actions are going to directly result in the deaths of innocent people, I would sure as hell not go ahead with the action, wouldn't you?

LondonIrish90 · 02-04-2011 12:13AM

R0ot wrote: »

If the idiot hadn't been such an idiot would those murders have happened though.

This is ridiculous.

Do you truly believe that the Taliban were doing this as an act of revenge? Bearing in mind this is a regime who believed anybody who didn't live by an incredibly strict islamic lifestyle should have a limb amputated, or should be executed?

Its a coup for them, purely because they have managed to take out a group of "infidels" and "foreign invaders" in a very high profile way. These lads don't really need an excuse to commit such a barbaric act, its just sort of what they do

LondonIrish90 · 02-04-2011 12:15AM

irishconvert wrote: »

Shouldn't the pastor bear some responsibility for this? Sure, the murders were totally wrong, but he was told this would happen in certain parts of the world if he went ahead with the burning. Now if someone tells me that my actions are going to directly result in the deaths of innocent people, I would sure as hell not go ahead with the action, wouldn't you?

Nope. The responsibility for this act lies 100% with those who chose to cut off the heads of UN workers. Nobody forced them to do it. They are the only people accountable.

Thats not to say the burning of a religious text isn't very wrong indeed, but it doesn't mean in any way that the man who carried out this act is responsible for these murders. Thats the taliban, and nobody else.

irishconvert · 02-04-2011 12:17AM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Nope. The responsibility for this act lies 100% with those who chose to cut off the heads of UN workers. Nobody forced them to do it. They are the only people accountable.

Thats not to say the burning of a religious text isn't very wrong indeed, but it doesn't mean in any way that the man who carried out this act is responsible for these murders. Thats the taliban, and nobody else.

Would you burn the Qur'an, or any other item (doesn't have to be a holy book) if you were told it would 100% result in the death of innocent people?

deco nate · 02-04-2011 12:18AM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Nope. The responsibility for this act lies 100% with those who chose to cut off the heads of UN workers. Nobody forced them to do it. They are the only people accountable.

Thats not to say the burning of a religious text isn't very wrong indeed, but it doesn't mean in any way that the man who carried out this act is responsible for these murders. Thats the taliban, and nobody else.

bull****!ye are talkin out yer arse

LondonIrish90 · 02-04-2011 12:22AM

irishconvert wrote: »

Would you burn the Qur'an, or any other item (doesn't have to be a holy book) if you were told it would 100% result in the death of innocent people?

Regardless of burning or destroying anything (which wasnt really my point, I was making a far broader point)

I wouldn't be appeasing murdering, sub human scumbags in any situation. The threat of a terrorist/insurgent attrocity wouldn't make me change my way of life in any way.

partyatmygaff · 02-04-2011 12:23AM

deco nate wrote: »

bull****!he was told months ago what his actions would cause,
thier was a media frenzie bout it.an he backed down.then he turns
round an and does it anyway knowin full well that people will
be killed cause of it.the blood is just as much on his hands.
crazed actions work both ways,dont defend this loony

I won't defend this "loony" having a peaceful protest if you agree to stop defending the barbarians who beheaded innocent people protecting their village.

deco nate wrote: »

he done it to incite murder:rolleyes:

He done did it!!!

No, as a matter of fact, he did it as a form of protest. The same way people regularly burn American flags and Israeli flags e.t.c.

and quote the whole post thank you.
(or do you work for the sun newspaper)

There's no need to quote the whole post when one line captures the essence of it entirely.

irishconvert wrote: »

This is not Islam. Islam is against murder like this.

Forgive me, but why is it that it is almost always Muslims who commit acts like these? People burn Bibles quite often and I must admit that i've never heard of Christian extremists beheading innocent people for the actions of those that offended them.

In fact, the Taliban themselves destroyed 6th Century Buddha statues in Afghanistan. Did the Buddhists (Even the ones misrepresenting Buddhism) decide to behead a few Taliban members as well?

irishconvert wrote: »

Shouldn't the pastor bear some responsibility for this?

No. It's not his fault that there are barbarians out there who will kill the first "Kafir-looking" person that they see at even the smallest slight at their beliefs.

Sure, the murders were totally wrong, but he was told this would happen in certain parts of the world if he went ahead with the burning. Now if someone tells me that my actions are going to directly result in the deaths of innocent people, I would sure as hell not go ahead with the action, wouldn't you?

Why should he not be allowed to protest? Why should he be afraid? People are not afraid to burn Israeli or American flags. People are not afraid to burn Bibles. People are not afraid to attack Churches. People are not afraid to demolish centuries old statues. Why should Islam be treated any differently? He has every right to protest (Even if it may offend others). If he is to be apportioned any blame, it is miniscule in comparison to the barbarians who killed the UN workers.

Revolution9 · 02-04-2011 12:23AM

deco nate wrote: »

bull****!ye are talkin out yer arse

Out of curiosity, do you think that cartoonist should bear responsibility for his murder by Islamic extremists for the hideous crime of drawing a picture of their prophet?

LondonIrish90 · 02-04-2011 12:23AM

deco nate wrote: »

bull****!ye are talkin out yer arse

What a well thought out counter argument.

irishconvert · 02-04-2011 12:25AM

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Regardless of burning or destroying anything (which wasnt really my point, I was making a far broader point)

I wouldn't be appeasing murdering, sub human scumbags in any situation. The threat of a terrorist/insurgent attrocity wouldn't make me change my way of life in any way.

So you would go ahead with a meaningless action which you know would result in the death of innocent people. That's lovely. Shows the value you put on human life. :rolleyes:

UN workers killed in Afghanistan

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