Michael Lowry: are "the people of North Tipperary" utterly stupid?

Saila · 31-03-2011 06:01PM

did he really say that about them..wow, bet they are regretting voting for him now :mad:

Frowzy · 31-03-2011 06:38PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The mistake you seem to be making is your continuing defense of him. Look at any of my previous threads and you'll find I slate anyone who insists on a continuing defense of haughey, bertie et all. Bertie is a self serving criminal along with lowry the difference is im not still defending bertie.

The mistake you seem to be making is accusing me without having read all my posts.

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 08:33PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm going to vote for him in the next General Election just to piss off the d!ckheads in this thread.

And this is the sort of "Michael Lowry is a victim" mentality which gets this crook elected, consistently. The guy's a crook. That assessment is not a "D4" view. It's a statement of fact from two judicial tribunals: McCracken (1997) and Moriarty (2011).

Voting for him just to spite people who oppose his actions is, with all due respect, moronic.

ilovesleep · 31-03-2011 08:42PM

squod wrote: »

I love Tipp. I only wish folks would stop voting for criminals in general.

Tipperary needs a good dose of the recession.

Nolanger · 31-03-2011 08:50PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Is there something in the water down there? Is there mass in-breeding?

No, yes.

For Forks Sake · 31-03-2011 09:08PM

Nolanger wrote: »

No, yes.

ON RTE Radio 1's Morning Ireland of 25 March 2011, an urbane, gentle supporter of the North Tipperary TD Michael Lowry puts up a spirited, intellectual defense on his behalf over the Moriarty Tribunal findings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxoTKDEDfAQ

Rafa1977 · 31-03-2011 09:12PM

Same could have been said of Dublin west for voting that gangster Leninhan back.

Pal · 31-03-2011 09:19PM

never agreed with Lowry, hes a bag of puke, but he had a good point today about the Shinners.

How can they judge anybody ?

Paparazzo · 31-03-2011 10:05PM

First of all, to Tipp people, I really don't think you're all getting tarred with the same brush here. Every constituency gets blamed for who they vote in, but if there's any criticism it's generally meant for the actual people who voted for him, if you know what i mean.

Frowzy wrote: »

I didn't say sure everyone else is at it so Lowry should do what he likes... They're someone else's words.

Wonder where they got that idea?

Frowzy wrote: »

Phew, so he's not the only one, sure ya wouldn't know it to read this thread!!!

Frowzy wrote: »

Because it's never happened before?

They're all a bunch of crooks IMO......

I completely agree with this:

squod wrote: »

I'm betting that's it. Everyone is at it, so why not like. This country is so fucked because of this attitude. If people want career criminals to run the country and provide jobs then so be it. We'll have to rename the place little Columbia and have every decent person evacuated to some where else immediately.

What a terrible attitude, "they're all at it, so it's grand". Wonder if the Bishops had the same attitude when priests were touching up kids?
Frowzy, for someone who's "not defending lowry", your first post in this thread was to asked for proof that he's a liar, tax cheat and corrupt (which was provided) as if this is some sort of unproven conspiricy theory! Are you living in the real world or are all Lowry voters as blinkered as you?

If you think he's doing a "great job in tipp", just think of what a TD that does what's best for the area would do instead of a TD that makes decisions based on who gives the biggest brown envelope. And you're not doing the people of tipp stereotype any favours.

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 10:30PM

RobAMerc wrote: »

Similarly I can ask the same of the people of Dublin. Are they stupid ? they not once but twice voted in the corrupt leader of a corrupt party - both Bertie and Charley were widely known to be bent and yet were always voted in with massive surpluses.

And of course this justifies Lowry? Mar dhea.

The stupidity of the electorate in many parts of Dublin is very well known. Trying to say because Ahern was a scumbag, let's overlook Lowry now is deflecting from the responsibility of the electorate of North Tipperary who voted for the crook that is Michael Lowry. They have a huge responsibility here and to attempt to abnegate that by saying people in North-Central Dublin voted the Ahern mob in is insulting. Ahern's (obviously awful, as it needs to be spelt out) legacy as a national leader of this state will live for a lot longer than that of the parochial leader that was Lowry - make no mistake about that. Now, however, is Lowry's time. So please fúck off with this crap that excuses him because scumbag Ahern and company did similar. Disgusting train of thought. The defensiveness of it all is objectionable on so many counts.

PS: For those oblivious to the subtleties of the Queen's English "the electorate of North Tipperary who voted for the crook..." is a very different thing to saying "the electorate of North Tipperary, who voted for the crook...". Please note.

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 10:39PM

stovelid wrote: »

It's easy to denigrate the people of Lowry's constituency but the notion is supporting politicians based on narrow self-interest is far wider than that.

Fair point. Which is why the entire PR-STV electoral system needs to be replaced so that national politicians will not be elected on the basis of fixing potholes/attending funerals - never mind elected on their success in holding up the government of the whole state until they got things "delivered" for their constituents.

The argument could be that those TD duties will merely fall to local politicians; many of them should, but many others shouldn't be done by any politician. That's another matter. For now, though, our electoral system for national representatives needs urgent, radical change.

Liam Byrne · 31-03-2011 10:40PM

Dionysus wrote: »

And of course this justifies Lowry? Mar dhea.

I don't think a reference to Ahern & Haughey is an attempt to justify Lowry; more a defence against idiots who think it's OK to use phrases like "mucksavages" just because they are talking about the people of North Tipp.

Referring to those who voted for the likes of Lowry, Haughey, Ahern, O'Donoghue & O'Dea despicable and as either (a) ignorant and/or (b) unethical is perfectly OK.....as a group, they are inexcusable.

But no area of the country is immune to this malaise, so there's no point in people taking a pathetic cheap shot at a whole area because of the proportion of undesireables that live and vote there.

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 10:49PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

But no area of the country is immune to this malaise, so there's no point in people taking a pathetic cheap shot at a whole area because of the proportion of undesireables that live and vote there.

[The sort of people who talk about "mucksavages" and "boggers" are just as objectionable in their prejudices as those people in North Tipperary who claim Lowry is the "victim" of some nebulous urban assault on his character.]

Your above comment may be true. However, does anybody have any examples of people in the Dublin constituencies of Ahern, Lawlor, Burke, Cosgrave or Haughey displaying the zealous "love" for those people as the supporters of Lowry in North Tipperary demonstrated this week?

Paparazzo · 31-03-2011 10:59PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I don't think a reference to Ahern & Haughey is an attempt to justify Lowry; more a defence against idiots who think it's OK to use phrases like "mucksavages" just because they are talking about the people of North Tipp.

Referring to those who voted for the likes of Lowry, Haughey, Ahern, O'Donoghue & O'Dea despicable and as either (a) ignorant and/or (b) unethical is perfectly OK.....as a group, they are inexcusable.

But no area of the country is immune to this malaise, so there's no point in people taking a pathetic cheap shot at a whole area because of the proportion of undesireables that live and vote there.

I think everyone agrees, it's purely Lowry voters that people have a problem with. It's bad phrasing it as "north tipp people". I wouldn't be ashamed to come from an area that voted in a crook. As long as I didn't vote for them.
I'm sure the rest of europe are calling "the irish" idiots for voting FF in when plenty of us didn't.

So, basically, we have no problem with the people of Tipp. Just north tipp*

*joking, relax!

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 11:21PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

I don't know where you are based OP but I've never labeled an entire constituency stupid

In fairness, I labelled "the people of North Tipperary" utterly stupid, as it was precisely that entity - "the people of North Tipperary" - whom the "Lowry Team" spoke about having a "love" for Michael Lowry. Whether "the people of North Tipperary" and the people of North Tipperary are synonymous, I doubt it. But the "Lowry Team" certainly believed they were/are. Ergo the quotes. It is Lowry and his footsoldiers who have, clearly and unequivocally, hijacked the people of North Tipperary.

Dionysus · 31-03-2011 11:24PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

It's bad phrasing it as "north tipp people".*joking, relax!

On the other hand, it was Lowry's people who repeatedly claimed that "the people of North Tipperary" are fully behind him on this issue.

Paparazzo · 31-03-2011 11:30PM

Dionysus wrote: »

On the other hand, it was Lowry's people who repeatedly claimed that "the people of North Tipperary" are fully behind him on this issue.

More proof that he's full of shite

xflyer · 31-03-2011 11:47PM

Having had some experience of the ignorance and stupidity of the 'people of North Tipperary' and their council and their local representatives. I am favourably disposed to the idea of their idiocy. But it isn't fair as I can number several friends in the area.

But you cannot escape the fact they re-elected a someone who is a crook and unapologetically so. Not only that they will re-elect the creep again and again unless he is barred from election.

But it's not so much a reflection of the people of North Tipp but a reflection of the extreme localisation of Irish politics.

He is an example of everything that is wrong with this country, parish pump politics.

We can only hope type of bog politician disappears in the near future. A forlorn hope I think.

9_Iron · 31-03-2011 11:50PM

Dionysus wrote: »

On the other hand, it was Lowry's people who repeatedly claimed that "the people of North Tipperary" are fully behind him on this issue.

Replace "Lowry" with "the previous Government" and "North Tipperary" with "Ireland" and, hey presto, two equally bogus proclamations......

The people shouting the loudest at the moment are Lowry's supporters: they are the TV3/Newstalk interviewees. But that can't camouflage the fact that they are a minority in the constituency.
As ever, the majority tends to be rather more reticent, but a fairly healthy majority it is nonetheless.

Dempsey · 31-03-2011 11:54PM

Dionysus wrote: »

And this is the sort of "Michael Lowry is a victim" mentality which gets this crook elected, consistently. The guy's a crook. That assessment is not a "D4" view. It's a statement of fact from two judicial tribunals: McCracken (1997) and Moriarty (2011).

Voting for him just to spite people who oppose his actions is, with all due respect, moronic.

Again I'll ask, what squeaky clean politician did you vote for?

I have never voted for Michael Lowry and where did I say that he's a victim? Dont be holding me up as example to the mob in this thread to rile them.

I'm just going to vote for him because of the sh!te being spouted by a few d!ickheads in this thread, thats all. Do you realise how ignorant you all sound? You are claiming a few soundbites on RTE and TV3 as fact like alot of other things.

Tribunals mean **** all btw so dont be throwing around that statement of fact from two judicial tribunals waffle. This is Ivor Callely mark II. Trial by media and mob rule.

I think both of them are guilty as sin but you are innocent until proven guilty in this country and neither have been proven guilty in accordance with the laws of this country. Dont like the laws of this country? Run for TD, see how far you'll get.

If there isnt enough evidence it means that the system is flawed and procedures and accountability need to be implemented. We knew all this rumours about Lowry 14 years ago, we didnt need a tribunal costing €150m over 14 years to confirm suspicions. They could have just tightened controls then but they didnt and there is a very good reason for that.

All the politicians have learned from Lowry's mistakes and know what they have to do to cover their tracks better. To me Lowry is a problem that needs dealing with but I dont see the state getting a conviction and if they do, they'll be sued for multimillion compensation packages by those who lost out. DPP wins, the state looses.

I dont think the state can afford to deal with something like that especially with the stress tests revealing that the banks need another €24bn. I wonder will ye be up in arms with yer conspiracy theories when the DPP drops the case because thats what he'll do because of the prejudice built up against Lowry over the last 14 years.

In the last 14 years, I've seen nothing done to stop someone else pulling a Lowry. The higher priority is the current political system. It breeds corruption, decisions that are ethically and morally questionable because thats what it takes to get results for you constituency. Don't dare try to make out that this a North Tipperary thing.

HellFireClub · 31-03-2011 11:54PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Blind loyalty rather than stupid. If they say him doing it, they still wouldn't think anything different.

Move to Tipperary forum....?

And the 15% odd of people in his constituency who are unemployed, I wonder how they rate the performance of the previous government that Lowry supported. I fail to see the benefit of a new road here or the pot holes being filled there, when you can't afford a car because you are unemployed. Voting for someone who supports such a situation, is to me, the definition of not stupidity, but actual retardation.

Dempsey · 01-04-2011 12:03AM

HellFireClub wrote: »

And the 15% odd of people in his constituency who are unemployed, I wonder how they rate the performance of the previous government that Lowry supported. I fail to see the benefit of a new road here or the pot holes being filled there, when you can't afford a car because you are unemployed. Voting for someone who supports such a situation, is to me, the definition of not stupidity, but actual retardation.

And who said that they voted for Lowry because he gets roads fixed?

I think you've been watching too much Dave McSavage or were just looking for any excuse to fling mud.

HellFireClub · 01-04-2011 12:05AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Again I'll ask, what squeaky clean politician did you vote for?

I have never voted for Michael Lowry and where did I say that he's a victim? Dont be holding me up as example to the mob in this thread to rile them.

I'm just going to vote for him because of the sh!te being spouted by a few d!ickheads in this thread, thats all. Do you realise how ignorant you all sound? You are claiming a few soundbites on RTE and TV3 as fact like alot of other things.

Tribunals mean **** all btw so dont be throwing around that statement of fact from two judicial tribunals waffle. This is Ivor Callely mark II. Trial by media and mob rule.

I think both of them are guilty as sin but you are innocent until proven guilty in this country and neither have been proven guilty in accordance with the laws of this country. Dont like the laws of this country? Run for TD, see how far you'll get.

If there isnt enough evidence it means that the system is flawed and procedures and accountability need to be implemented. We knew all this rumours about Lowry 14 years ago, we didnt need a tribunal costing €150m over 14 years to confirm suspicions. They could have just tightened controls then but they didnt and there is a very good reason for that.

All the politicians have learned from Lowry's mistakes and know what they have to do to cover their tracks better. To me Lowry is a problem that needs dealing with but I dont see the state getting a conviction and if they do, they'll be sued for multimillion compensation packages by those who lost out. DPP wins, the state looses.

I dont think the state can afford to deal with something like that especially with the stress tests revealing that the banks need another €24bn. I wonder will ye be up in arms with yer conspiracy theories when the DPP drops the case because thats what he'll do because of the prejudice built up against Lowry over the last 14 years.

In the last 14 years, I've seen nothing done to stop someone else pulling a Lowry. The higher priority is the current political system. It breeds corruption, decisions that are ethically and morally questionable because thats what it takes to get results for you constituency. Don't dare try to make out that this a North Tipperary thing.

Yes it is a North Tipperary thing, and a Castlebar thing and a South Kerry thing, the lot of you should be rounded up and planted onto Spike Island or some other desolated off shore venue where you can vote for who you like and the rest of us won't have to pay for it in our taxes... The rest of the country is subsidising and paying for the obvious intellectual issues that exist in the above constituencies.

Dempsey · 01-04-2011 12:07AM

HellFireClub wrote: »

Yes it is a North Tipperary thing, and a Castlebar thing and a South Kerry thing, the lot of you should be rounded up and planted onto Spike Island or some other desolated off shore venue where you can vote for who you like and the rest of us won't have to pay for it in our taxes... The rest of the country is subsidising and paying for the obvious intellectual issues that exist in the above constituencies.

Not a dublin thing aswell?

Actually, I'll think you'll find that its rampant everywhere in Irish Politics. You are naive or a bandwagoner to think otherwise

HellFireClub · 01-04-2011 12:09AM

Dempsey wrote: »

And who said that they voted for Lowry because he gets roads fixed?

I think you've been watching too much Dave McSavage or were just looking for any excuse to fling mud.

They obviously aren't voting for him on the healthy state of the economy and the country anyway, are they???

What we should be doing here is handing the tribunal bill for all of this to Tipperary County Council and let them claw it back off the people down there who voted for this corrupt sap, through a property tax and commercial rates, then you might be more careful in exercising the right that you have that people gave their lives for. You ought to be ashamed of yourself coming on here with your position, saying you would vote again for a politicican who trousered hundreds of thousands of Euro OF YOUR MONEY.

Dempsey · 01-04-2011 12:13AM

HellFireClub wrote: »

They obviously aren't voting for him on the healthy state of the economy and the country anyway, are they???

What we should be doing here is handing the tribunal bill for all of this to Tipperary County Council and let them claw it back off the people down there who voted for this corrupt sap, through a property tax and commercial rates, then you might be more careful in exercising the right that you have that people gave their lives for. You ought to be ashamed of yourself coming on here with your position, saying you would vote again for a politicican who trousered hundreds of thousands of Euro OF YOUR MONEY.

So you are guessing?

As for your solution for the problem, shows what you know about politics.

You obviously didnt read my post properly but I'll stand on a soapbox to get through to you...

I never voted for Michael Lowry, EVER!

HellFireClub · 01-04-2011 12:24AM

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm just going to vote for him because of the sh!te being spouted by a few d!ickheads in this thread, thats all. Do you realise how ignorant you all sound? You are claiming a few soundbites on RTE and TV3 as fact like alot of other things.

So you didn't previously vote for him but as per above, you are going to vote for him next time, I don't see the point you are making, you are happy to vote for someone who is corrupt beyond any description, whether you have done this in the past or are going to do it in the future, is not really something that I think is relevant, it's only a matter of timing to me, timing of an extremely stupid and nationally destructive decision...

Dempsey · 01-04-2011 12:41AM

HellFireClub wrote: »

So you didn't previously vote for him but as per above, you are going to vote for him next time, I don't see the point you are making, you are happy to vote for someone who is corrupt beyond any description, whether you have done this in the past or are going to do it in the future, is not really something that I think is relevant, it's only a matter of timing to me, timing of an extremely stupid and nationally destructive decision...

Your the one that said I was going to vote for him again which is a clear sign that you arent even reading what I'm saying properly. Whats the point in talking to you?

HellFireClub · 01-04-2011 04:07AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Your the one that said I was going to vote for him again which is a clear sign that you arent even reading what I'm saying properly. Whats the point in talking to you?

There's absolutely no point in you talking to me, the issue isn't WHEN you would vote for him, the issue is THAT you have stated that you will vote for him. If you can't see that there is no moral difference between the two, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

grenache · 01-04-2011 04:23AM

Well said OP. Its an Irish problem at heart, and as i mentioned in the "investigation into lowry" thread, its the Mé-Féiners that are voting for him. The attitude of "it doesn't matter what he has done to others as long as he has done good for me" is prevalent across the country. And its NOT exclusively a rural phenomenon either - Bertie Ahern, despite all his shady business dealings, would still get a massive vote if he stood for election in Dublin North Central in the morning.

The sad thing is that despite all the evidence to the contrary, Lowry still thinks he has done nothing wrong. He believes his "mandate from the people of North Tipp" acts as some sort of pardon from his tax evasion and love of brown envelopes. He should be shunned by all around him in Dáil Eireann.

Michael Lowry: are "the people of North Tipperary" utterly stupid?

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