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TV Shows with People having to move abroad because of the dirty R word.

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  • #32
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Saila wrote: »
    its the L word :rolleyes:

    Langer ?


  • #33
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Ronan's not that dirty, are people really leaving the country over all that.

    Jaysus, maybe Tubridy should have asked him some fecking questions so.


  • #34
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Majority of Irish people have a fear of languages and this comes down to the way Irish was forced onto them in school and you can't really blame them. It's the only experience a lot of them have when it comes to learning a second language. It's a pity it's like this, German is the most spoken language in Europe, economy is flying here, lots of jobs available and companies are having difficulties filling roles. It would make more sense for someone to learn some basic German and move here than to fly half way around the world. German is an easy language compared to Irish and you can pick up enough in a few weeks to get by.


  • #35
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    keithclancy wrote: »
    So,

    Living out of Ireland over 3 years now. Have been watching the odd show on RTE and it all seems to be doom and gloom, but what really bugs me is the people moving to New Zealand, Australia, Canada etc.

    Usually it involves lots of crying, people moaning about there being no work (you'd swear we were back to butter voucher days)

    Then they go on to talk about some course they did in college and that there wasn't a job for them when they came out, New Zealand etc was their only option.

    Then there is lots of crying at the Airport terminal and the father/mother starts blaming the Government for sending his son/daughter so far away.

    I mean .. wtf .. theres the UK, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and France all within a 2 hour flight away.

    Wouldn't these people probably have went off to Australia, NZ, Canada anyway ?

    How is the government 'forcing' anyone to move to a gaff so far away when theres a whole market of jobs available very close to Ireland.

    Maybe Irish Ferries should start a Rosslare to Ellis Island route and someone playing a fiddle while the boat sales off into the sunset.

    Whats your opinion ?

    Because in non English speaking countries they would actually have to feel like an immigrant as well as just be one.

    No one wants that.


  • #36
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Spunge wrote: »
    Wouldn't you need to speak the language to work there ?

    Not really. I've just moved to Amsterdam to start working there, was working in Antwerp in Belgium before here. Most people in this part of Europe are at least bilingual and speak English perfectly, even though a small number of them do look down a bit on people who move over and dont know Dutch/Flemish/whatever for the vast majority of the time English is fine, from there just make a bit of an effort to learn the local lingo as you go and you should be fine in my experience


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  • #37
    sollar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭sollar


    The FF government deserve(d) that its played up and made to sound as bad as possible.


  • #38
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    OP has a job, therefore can be smug.


  • #39
    Sir Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Dudess wrote: »
    OP has a job, therefore can be smug.

    When i first saw that program i was out of work and still thought it was sh1t, i understand it's hard for families to leave Ireland but forgive me for not sheddingf a tear for people heading off to Oz and Canada. They're hardly heading off in Coffin ships.


  • #40
    Agus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Agus


    jester77 wrote: »
    Majority of Irish people have a fear of languages and this comes down to the way Irish was forced onto them in school and you can't really blame them. It's the only experience a lot of them have when it comes to learning a second language. It's a pity it's like this,

    I very much doubt that's the reason, sure the English, Americans etc don't seem to be any better at learning other languages. It's a common thing for Anglophones to be poor at learning second languages.


  • #41
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    This may be true for a lot of 18-28 yr olds, give or take, but if you looked at that show there was also a guy in his 50s who had to head off and start a new life because there was nothing here for him, despite having worked here all his life. Saying goodbye to your parents at that age prob means thinking "This could be the last time"

    No matter what the circumstances or your opinion of that guy, it isnt easy for him, just as it isnt easy for a lot of people. No amount of people saying "ah sure he'll be grand" or "it could be worse" is gonna change that.


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  • #42
    Nolanger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    keithclancy wrote: »
    Whats your opinion ?
    Spoilt Celtic-Tiger cubs with no backbone for a recession along with overpaid builders who got used to the good life. They all go to Australia because it's perfect for them - England without the culture.


  • #43
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Dudess wrote: »
    OP has a job, therefore can be smug.

    Smug ?

    Nah ... more like, why look for sympathy moving to a country you would have went to in the first place anyway, recession or not.

    There are jobs in Europe but this bullsh*t show has people on it complaining that they are being torn from their families is crap. They would have went anyway for whatever reason (Sun, working Holiday, job offer)

    Its a 2 hour trip home for me with a 50 yoyo flight with Ryanair.
    Its an 18 hourish 1500 euro trip home from OZ

    Company in the City I live in is hiring a load of Irish People.

    Anyway who cares .. that crap came out of your tax .. not mine :p


  • #44
    Ruu_Old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Mmm fush and chups.


  • #45
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Dudess wrote: »
    OP has a job, therefore can be smug.

    Not really, he kind of has a point. It plays up the whole thing as ripping the country in twain. It's not like back in 1880 when you went to America and never spoken to anyone at home again except by occasional letter.

    Any of these ****ers ever hear of Skype?:D


  • #46
    longhalloween
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    No one NEEDS to go to Australia, theres plenty of work here, maybe not professional jobs, but other factory, lowskill jobs.

    Sure we're all just going for the craic, and, lets face it, Aussie p*ssy.


  • #47
    Vourney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Vourney


    jester77 wrote: »
    Majority of Irish people have a fear of languages and this comes down to the way Irish was forced onto them in school and you can't really blame them. It's the only experience a lot of them have when it comes to learning a second language. It's a pity it's like this, German is the most spoken language in Europe, economy is flying here, lots of jobs available and companies are having difficulties filling roles. It would make more sense for someone to learn some basic German and move here than to fly half way around the world. German is an easy language compared to Irish and you can pick up enough in a few weeks to get by.

    In my opinion, at least 50% of the posters on the boards here have a command of the English language that is very poor. At first I thought it may just be a stylistic, cultural choice, or a fad, to have a more casual, slang-oriented approach to the English language. The level of discussion and the command of the English language here on the boards, well, it's definately not the intellectual hub of internet -- lets just put it that way. I know I sound like a snob -- and probably I am -- but you are being a little generous. If they've been through the Irish education system and are in their early twenties and still can't speak proper English, it's unrealistic to think they can learn German and land an office job in Germany.


  • #48
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Vourney wrote: »
    In my opinion, at least 50% of the posters on the boards here have a command of the English language that is very poor.

    "In my opinion, at least 50% of the posters on boards have a very poor command of the English language."

    I made this sentence a touch more fluid for the reader.
    No charge.


  • #49
    Vourney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Vourney


    mikom wrote: »
    "In my opinion, at least 50% of the posters on boards have a very poor command of the English language."

    I made this sentence a touch more fluid for the reader.
    No charge.

    The sentence is grammatically correct either way. Editing posts you disagree with, rather than stating your thoughts and opinions, is passive aggressive and childish.

    Do you think that most posters on the boards have a good command of the English language?


  • #50
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Vourney wrote: »
    Editing posts you disagree with, rather than stating your thoughts and opinions, is passive aggressive

    Yes, you're right.
    *Tells Vourney what he/she wants to hear, even though I don't believe their analysis.*


  • #51
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Vourney wrote: »
    [location: USA] At first I thought it may just be a stylistic, cultural choice, or a fad, to have a more casual, slang-oriented approach to the English language. The level of discussion and the command of the English language here on the boards, well, it's definately not the intellectual hub of internet -- lets just put it that way. I know I sound like a snob -- and probably I am -- but you are being a little generous. If they've been through the Irish education system and are in their early twenties and still can't speak proper English, it's unrealistic to think they can learn German and land an office job in Germany.

    How's the course going, Alison?


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  • #52
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Posted on R&R a while back how emigration in this day and age (particularly to another English speaking country is hardly a big deal.
    Seriously in the 1950's emigration was a big deal The journey could take several days, cost a fortune and be unpleasent/uncomfortable. All communication home was by handwritten letter (maybe very rarely a short hideously expensive telephone call booked in advance via operator). If one wanted to follow the news from home they had to rely on mailed week-old newspapers a lucky few might (sometimes) have had access to Irish radio but this was often impossible. Most had to deal with the (often extremely stressful) experience of adopting and integrating into a foreign culture and society while racism and exploitation were rife. Returning home (particularly for something frivilous like a "holiday") was often a rarity. People were largely forced into it by economic necessity and often never came back.

    Nowadays there are cheap flights to most parts of the world (the journey to/from the airport is usually the biggest hasstle). One can keep in daily contact with friends/family via cheap phone services or that internet thing (no need to save all your -yawn "stories" until your next trip home). One can keep up with Irish news to their hearts content in some cases its even possible to watch Irish TV. Most cities have Irish bars and/or community centres. racism and exploition have been largely curbed by legislation/enlightnment (or at least Irish people arent a major target anymore) In many places it is possible (if one chooses) to socialise mainly with other Irish people largely oblivious to the culture/society of ones host country and behave as if they never left Ireland (this may not actually be a good thing but thats for another rant). The overwhelming bulk of Irish emigration is to other mainly English speaking countries which arguably isint real emigration at all. Emigration (recession notwithstanding) is usually out of choice rather than compulsion, one can usually return home as often as they can get a few days off work and its rare to stay abroad for more than a couple of years anyway.

    In this day and age for many people (especially those reliant on crappy public transport) moving away to work/study in another part of the country is practically as big a deal as doing so abroad especially if its only to someplace like bleedin Manchester FFS. So youve been abroad for a few months big freaking deal Do you expect a medal or something ?

    Vourney wrote: »
    In my opinion, at least 50% of the posters on the boards here have a command of the English language that is very poor.

    TBH as sites like this go. Boards is one of the better ones in this respect.


  • #53
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Vourney wrote: »
    The sentence is grammatically correct either way. Editing posts you disagree with, rather than stating your thoughts and opinions, is passive aggressive and childish.

    Do you think that most posters on the boards have a good command of the English language?

    Promote that man!


  • #54
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    keithclancy wrote: »
    why look for sympathy moving to a country you would have went to in the first place anyway, recession or not.

    There are jobs in Europe but this bullsh*t show has people on it complaining that they are being torn from their families is crap. They would have went anyway for whatever reason (Sun, working Holiday, job offer)

    Its a 2 hour trip home for me with a 50 yoyo flight with Ryanair.
    Its an 18 hourish 1500 euro trip home from OZ
    I can understand people only wanting to move to a country where they have the language though, and with their friends - it may seem lazy, but a language barrier is very isolating. Plus, yeah sure, people did go to Australia for a year or more up to three years ago and it was just to have a laugh and go a bit off the rails... but now it's for a different purpose, it's to get work. And while you were guaranteed to come home to a job up to a few short years ago, things are are not certain anymore. People may have to stay in Australia, New Zealand and Canada indefinitely...


  • #55
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    ColHol wrote: »
    This may be true for a lot of 18-28 yr olds, give or take, but if you looked at that show there was also a guy in his 50s who had to head off and start a new life because there was nothing here for him, despite having worked here all his life. Saying goodbye to your parents at that age prob means thinking "This could be the last time"

    No matter what the circumstances or your opinion of that guy, it isnt easy for him, just as it isnt easy for a lot of people. No amount of people saying "ah sure he'll be grand" or "it could be worse" is gonna change that.
    Poor guy. :(
    And I was listening to a radio programme about the same topic and it was more focusing on the parents of these people going abroad for work - and it was heartbreaking. One man's three sons had to leave - one was close by in London, but that was still hard. The others went to Oz.
    Things aren't the same as the coffin ship days of course - they're probably not even as bad as the 80s, but there's definitely been a shift. It's not just about a holiday anymore...


  • #56
    Poor Craythur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭Poor Craythur


    Dudess wrote: »
    - it may seem lazy, but a language barrier is very isolating.

    Yeah and even when there's no language barrier, emigration be an isolating experience, even somewhere close by like the UK. I have personal experience of this.


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