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Boyles VS Powers

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  • #32
    Cartel Mike
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    Flipflops gambling fundamently at its most basic is, and can ONLY be about selection. Price and margin are secondary .It HAS be. How can it be any other way?


    Only when you HAVE your selection can you look at price and margin... im not being funny here flipfops but i think your starting to be funny with me.

    Im also starting to think that you work for BOYLES.


  • #33
    Fursttimer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Fursttimer


    shaggykev wrote: »
    Powers are rarely blacktype on Oddschecker.

    They are each and every time in the anytime goalscorer market and to be booked market. That's about it though.

    Their golf odds are atrocious and I don't doubt for a second that they wait for a handful of firms to show up on oddschecker and act accordingly.

    I don't bet on horse racing so I can't comment on their tissue prices in the morning.

    Boyles are a nasty crowd altogether. I really don't understand their philosophy at all. I think they rely solely on the high street shop punter. I can't imagine their website gets much activity. It doesn't operate half the time!


  • #34
    myflipflops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭myflipflops


    Cartel Mike wrote: »
    Flipflops gambling fundamently at its most basic is, and can ONLY be about selection. Price and margin are secondary .It HAS be. How can it be any other way?


    Only when you HAVE your selection can you look at price and margin... im not being funny here flipfops but i think your starting to be funny with me.

    Price is the be all and end all of gambling. The only reason you should pick a selection is because the price is wrong (ie too big). The argument of 'picking winners versus picking price' gets done on the internet a lot.
    Cartel Mike wrote: »
    Im also starting to think that you work for BOYLES.


    Haha. I've never even been to Dundalk! I also don't live in Ireland. Don't mistake my argument here for any respect for Boylesports. I pretty much think all gambling companies are the same (except Panbet, they are c*nts). It's the nature of your argument here I'm disagreeing with, company is irrelevant.

    This thread should be proof enough too.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57468010


  • #35
    premierstone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Cartel Mike wrote: »
    Flipflops gambling fundamently at its most basic is, and can ONLY be about selection. Price and margin are secondary .It HAS be. How can it be any other way?


    Only when you HAVE your selection can you look at price and margin... im not being funny here flipfops but i think your starting to be funny with me.

    Im also starting to think that you work for BOYLES.

    Mike, dont take this personally but what you are saying here is sooo wrong its scary and its the mentality that bookies love, when you are thinking of having a bet the first thing you do is do up a book yourself as you would and then compare it to the how the bookie has and look for the descrepancies, that is the profitable way to approach gambling.


  • #36
    Cartel Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Cartel Mike


    myflipflops wrote: »
    Price is the be all and end all of gambling. The only reason you should pick a selection is because the price is wrong (ie too big). The argument of 'picking winners versus picking price' gets done on the internet a lot.




    Haha. I've never even been to Dundalk! I also don't live in Ireland. Don't mistake my argument here for any respect for Boylesports. I pretty much think all gambling companies are the same (except Panbet, they are c*nts). It's the nature of your argument here I'm disagreeing with, company is irrelevant.

    This thread should be proof enough too.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57468010

    Just start a different thread then flipy as this one has taken a surrell direction and your points are contradictory to the subject matter.
    1/ Boyles DO NOT have a bigger odds margin than Powers anyway- this is an undisputed fact.
    2/ On the markets 'I' bet on, Boyle's price is rarley wrong. IF i find it to be wrong then i usually find that Powers price is even 'wronger' still.

    Hopefully you understand my point? and the relevance of it to yours. I've tried to give examples.

    When you gamble you know what the price Of a selection 'should' be before you even look at the odds (or you should do anyway) .
    When you check the odds, your either 'correct' or surprised , when you are surprised you look for the biggest surprise difference you can get. But the suprise in sports betting is always based on selection. Why? Because ANY bookie rarley gets the Price wrong ,and when they do ...that isn't enough unfortunatley to guarentee it wins. For me anyway
    luck is just as important as selection (if not more so) so what is or isn't the most important aspect of gambling very debatable , not fact as you've stated.

    I'm tired man and i'm boring (and have bored) everyone to tears, including myself. And im explaining myself(again). You prob care little about Powers V Boyles, would probabley never do a w'enk acca in either and probably use the exchanges anyway.

    A different thread flipy. Don't dissagree with you 100% but between this and the trolls its not really worth me posting anything anyway.


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  • #37
    Cartel Mike
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    premierstone wrote: »
    Mike, dont take this personally but what you are saying here is sooo wrong its scary and its the mentality that bookies love, when you are thinking of having a bet the first thing you do is do up a book yourself as you would and then compare it to the how the bookie has and look for the descrepancies, that is the profitable way to approach gambling.


    I Don't take that personally at all man. I don't find too many descrepancies these days anymore maybe its because i don't have as much time.
    My point was that im not going to make a loosing selection soley because i get bigger odds margin for doing it.
    In gambling you still have to 'select' what market your going to use before you gamble , your not for eg usually goin to select a market you know little about( although i have done in the past).

    I do mostly accumulators in shops. Proffesional gamblers look down on me.
    In accas all your selections have to win or you get nothing. You might often think a team in a game is overpriced in a 3-way market but sometimes you can't afford to add it because it may loose and ruin your acca. Selection is the most important thing in accas. You have alot of choices. When i loose an acca its because i make a wrong one.

    And your absoultley right . Bookies generally love me because im an acca punter. But hell...at least i won't ever get limited or reduced to using exchanges only.

    Are you a full time pro?


  • #38
    Healio
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    Cartel Mike wrote: »
    My point was that im not going to make a loosing selection soley because i get bigger odds margin for doing it.

    How do you know its going to lose?


  • #39
    premierstone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Cartel Mike wrote: »
    I Don't take that personally at all man. I don't find too many descrepancies these days anymore maybe its because i don't have as much time.
    My point was that im not going to make a loosing selection soley because i get bigger odds margin for doing it.
    In gambling you still have to 'select' what market your going to use before you gamble , your not for eg usually goin to select a market you know little about( although i have done in the past).

    I do mostly accumulators in shops. Proffesional gamblers look down on me.
    In accas all your selections have to win or you get nothing. You might often think a team in a game is overpriced in a 3-way market but sometimes you can't afford to add it because it may loose and ruin your acca. Selection is the most important thing in accas. You have alot of choices. When i loose an acca its because i make a wrong one.

    And your absoultley right . Bookies generally love me because im an acca punter. But hell...at least i won't ever get limited or reduced to using exchanges only.

    Are you a full time pro?

    You are right they do love guys who do accums, anything they have a special coupon for it generally means its worth their while.

    I wouldnt say Im a pro no, but I do quite a bit of trading on the exchanges and play a good lot of online poker to supplement my income, I keep all my records and the last two years have been very profitable but I just dont like the idea of relying on it to put food on the table.


  • #40
    premierstone
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    Healio wrote: »
    How do you know its going to lose?

    TBF I think Mike is saying in his opinion its unlikely to be the outcome and while we have argued against he's approach, there does have to be a subjective view to betting aswell. And especially if he is doing accums having one 'outsider' that is overpriced is not of much benefit the majority of the time, I think the real crux of the issue here is the accums bit, how many selections are we generally talking here Mike??


  • #41
    Cartel Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Cartel Mike


    premierstone wrote: »
    Mike, dont take this personally but what you are saying here is sooo wrong its scary and its the mentality that bookies love, when you are thinking of having a bet the first thing you do is do up a book yourself as you would and then compare it to the how the bookie has and look for the descrepancies, that is the profitable way to approach gambling.
    Healio wrote: »
    How do you know its going to lose?

    sometimes the better odds don't matter.
    Before the Wales England match even took place i posted that it would'nt matter if Boyles deliberatley put Wales out to 8/1 from 7/1 to beat England . The odds margin in this case will never matter- its always a looser.


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  • #42
    Cartel Mike
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    premierstone wrote: »
    TBF I think Mike is saying in his opinion its unlikely to be the outcome and while we have argued against he's approach, there does have to be a subjective view to betting aswell. And especially if he is doing accums having one 'outsider' that is overpriced is not of much benefit the majority of the time, I think the real crux of the issue here is the accums bit, how many selections are we generally talking here Mike??

    4 selections. I bet once at the very most twice a week. Stake always €50.
    Tbh premier i don't have to capital to make single bets and since my cred card has always been in poor shape, account betting isn't really an option for me .

    Odds always work out between 16-20/1. I really need to start lowering the odds though for my own good. Referees are my dread . More often than not these guys get it consistantly wrong.


  • #43
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,453 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    I can see where you're coming from, Mike - as in not wanting to back a selction you think has no chance - but I have to side with flipflops here. In the example you give of Wales v England in the football, as a football fan you've got to fancy England to come out on top. However, youstill need to look at the odds. Wales were 8/1. Would I back them? No chance. 20/1? I'd bite your hand off. Do I think I'd be collecting? Probably not, but I've a better than 1 in 21 chance of doing so, therefore take the punt.

    You mention that Boyles are too low on your over 2.5 goals bet. Somebody else posted that the other side must then be higher. It's all about an over-round, a lot of books will have a similar OR so the price will be balanced out somewhere else. It's not all about selection, value has to come into it. Yes, Arsenal v Blackpool will more than likely be over 2.5 but is it worth your while backing it at 1/3?


  • #44
    shaggykev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭shaggykev


    Hernandez to score a hatrick tomorrow aganist Fulham. What price would you expect? 33/1? 25/1? How about 10/1 with Paddy Power. Three card trick merchant

    Boyles are 16/1 which aint that much better but 10/1 is a bloody insult

    Berbatov is 11/1 while he can be backed at 25/1

    Looks like Bet365 really are the best of the lot.


  • #45
    Derek!
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    Jaysus Bet365 makes Boyles and Paddy Power look very bad there by offering 33/1


  • #46
    okidoki987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,632 ✭✭✭✭okidoki987


    Was the OP not making the point about Boyles v Powers?
    If you brought all the other bookies into the scenario, you're talking a different ball game totally.

    Yesterday at lunchtime
    Forecast at Aintree Big Bucks & Grand Crus
    Boyles 6/4
    Powers 2/1

    The SP Fav Placepot at one of the meetings
    Boyles 16/1
    Powers 25/1

    Boyles enhanced the price of the 2nd fav at 5/2 in a race (5/4 fav).
    Powers enhanced the Fav.

    The 4 Home Teams Europa League Accum
    Boyles 6/1
    Powers 11/2

    Ladbrokes enhanced 4 horses in a virtual race
    12/1 to 16/1
    16/1 to 20/1
    20/1 to 25/1
    &
    25/1 to 33/1
    There were 6 other runners in the race 4/1 Fav up to 10/1
    What a joke.


  • #47
    thesandeman
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    2.55 Ludlow today:
    Fav was 1/4 most places, 1/5 PP, 1/7 Lads, 1/14 Boyles and 4/5 Betfair.


  • #48
    UrbanSea
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    Betfair Sp was 1.21 thesandeman.


  • #49
    thesandeman
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    Yep I know. Went off at 1/5. But at the time I checked prices you could get 4/5 or 1/14 if you prefered lol.


  • #50
    UrbanSea
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    Haha I'd much rather the 1/14.


  • #51
    okidoki987
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    Any non runners?


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  • #52
    thesandeman
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    Only a 3 runner race. Those were the prices after the fourth entry was taken out in the morning.


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