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"Irish" Products No Longer Made Here.

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  • #62
    BailMeOut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,083 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    I have searched most supermarkets and cannot find a single packet of biscuits made in Ireland. Supervalue name brand ones are made in Belfast but I cannot find any made here. The closest I see is a small manufacturer from Bandon called Seymore and the ones you bake yourself from Kooky Dough. Mad to think you cannot get an Irish biscuit.


  • #63
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Hank_Jones wrote: »
    Was never an Irish product, but was made here.

    Bring back Cadbury's Top Deck!!

    Bit random, sorry. :p
    Seriously Cadbuy's made here tastes better than in the UK. I've heard that it's because of the Irish milk.


  • #64
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    VAT on most food* is 0% in both the UK and the Republic of Ireland

    * Except in Resteraunts etc
    Yogurt is rated at 13.5% so it isn't really food



    Chocolate biscuits are 21% and there are other biscuits at 13.5%
    Jaffa Cakes are 0%


  • #65
    admiralofthefleet
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Seriously Cadbuy's made here tastes better than in the UK. I've heard that it's because of the Irish milk.

    yeah the timeout bar was developed and made here


  • #66
    Amazotheamazing
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    I understood boyne valley is still made here?

    Packaged here maybe, the honey itself is described as being a blend from the EU.


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  • #67
    Elessar
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Packaged here maybe, the honey itself is described as being a blend from the EU.

    It even says it on the bottle - the honey is imported :mad:


  • #68
    brightspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Packaged here maybe, the honey itself is described as being a blend from the EU.


    In fairness to Boyne Valley the problem is a lack of supply here. Perhaps we need more beekeepers


  • #69
    Mike 1972
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Yogurt is rated at 13.5% so it isn't really food

    I said "most"


  • #70
    Amazotheamazing
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    brightspark wrote: »
    In fairness to Boyne Valley the problem is a lack of supply here. Perhaps we need more beekeepers

    In fairness to Boyne valley, they could stop pretending to be selling Irish honey.


  • #71
    cowzerp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Druids "celtic" Cider is addressed to Tallaght but is made in Birmingham,
    very misleading as its made out to be irish, ps, its cheap and nice too!!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • #72
    Mike 1972
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    very misleading as its made out to be irish

    How ?


  • #73
    Corsendonk
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    brightspark wrote: »
    In fairness to Boyne Valley the problem is a lack of supply here. Perhaps we need more beekeepers

    Apparently the last year has seen a massive boom in people attending bee keeping courses in Ireland. Alot of people see it as a good part time job to add extra cash to their income. There was actually a major bee keeping conference on this weekend in Dublin I think.


  • #74
    maninasia
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    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    How ?

    B-O-Y-N-E V-A-L-L-E-Y


  • #75
    Mint Sauce
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    Unpossible wrote: »
    Is anyone else suspicious about all the Aldi products that suddenly have an Irish flag stamped across them? The only information you can find on the back is "This was produced for Aldi <Irish address>, and Aldi <UK address>"
    How much was made in Ireland and where in Ireland was it made?

    Not sure about food products, but generally only a small percentage of the total production (cant remember the exact figure) has to take place here, then it can be labelled product of/made in Ireland.


  • #76
    Corsendonk
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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Druids "celtic" Cider is addressed to Tallaght but is made in Birmingham,
    very misleading as its made out to be irish, ps, its cheap and nice too!!

    It is actually very nice indeed, but they ain't doing anything wrong , Celtic nation just doesnt include Ireland, just we as consumers make a connection that isn't there. Now if they changed the packaging colours to white, orange and green that would get them into trouble for been misleading. Another example. is Wilson's Fertiliser Free potatoes, I know people who use to buy them because they assumed they were organic, there not they just don't use artificial fertiliser when growing them but they do use pesticides.


  • #77
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    B-O-Y-N-E V-A-L-L-E-Y
    Also, from their website:
    Boyne Valley Honey has brought pure natural honey to Irish families for over 50 years. Our delicious honey is packed in Mell, Drogheda, Co. Louth. In a wonderful coincidence, Mell takes its name from the Irish word for honey – mil and in fact, in old maps of Drogheda, the laneway across from the Boyne Valley Honey Company was called Honey Well lane!

    Honey is embedded in the history of the Boyne Valley. In fact, the Boyne Valley Honey Company is situated close to the site of Old Mellifont Abbey. Mellifont Abbey takes its name from Fons Mellis – The Fountain of Honey. It was the first Cistercian Monastery in Ireland founded by St. Malachy in 1142 and the monks at Mellifont were renowned beekeepers. The location of this historic monastery was probably chosen for its suitability for the cultivation of bees.

    It gives a nice Irish impression doesn't it?


  • #78
    Mike 1972
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    maninasia wrote: »
    B-O-Y-N-E V-A-L-L-E-Y

    /=/ Druids celtic cider ?


  • #79
    wonderfulname
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    Oh druids, in all fairness if you thought that was Irish you have only yourself to blame.


  • #80
    londonbus
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    ballsymchugh wrote: »
    it is the biggest brewery alright. but that's guinness for the rest of the world. guinness is still brewed in dublin for irish and uk market. they closed their british brewery a few years ago.

    Thank God. The Guinness brewed at Park Royal, London NW10 wasn't a patch on the stuff from Dublin.


  • #81
    Corsendonk
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Yogurt is rated at 13.5% so it isn't really food



    Chocolate biscuits are 21% and there are other biscuits at 13.5%
    Jaffa Cakes are 0%

    Didn't McVites have along running battle with the British Revenue to define if the Jaffa Cake was a Cake or a Biscuit to avoid the 21% vat? The Revenue wanted to define it as a biscuit and the jaffa cake is naturally soft under the chocolate. McVites won in the end.


    British Revenue defines the difference between the two as:
    Biscuits- go soft with age
    Cakes- go hard with age


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  • #82
    maninasia
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    londonbus wrote: »
    Thank God. The Guinness brewed at Park Royal, London NW10 wasn't a patch on the stuff from Dublin.[/QUOTE

    Was recently in Singapore (live in another Asian country), bought a 4-pack of Guinness in the supermarket. Poured myself a nice glass and knocked it back..'God this Guinness tastes better than usual'...checked the can 'imported from Dublin'. I can confirm the Irish brewed stuff is still the best (they have a brewery in Malaysia also AFAIK, the stuff brewed there has a very slight chicory/coffee taste to it, it's the stuff you'll find in Australia too).

    Let's turn this on it's head. This thread points to the tremendous opportunities in Ireland to establish genuine new Irish food brands, 100% Made in Ireland.


  • #83
    Corsendonk
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    Not sure about food products, but generally only a small percentage of the total production (cant remember the exact figure) has to take place here, then it can be labelled product of/made in Ireland.

    Bedtime reading- 4th one down Labelling of Food in Ireland- 140 odd pages, your answer is in there in detail

    http://www.fsai.ie/resources_and_publications/labelling.html

    But in short: There is a certain amount of processing that the food product has to undergo before changing its origin, so if you import chicken into Ireland from Brazil, repack it as chicken its still imported and so labelled as brazilian but if you shaped and coated the chicken into chicken nuggets the origin changes to Ireland. There is plans in the EU pipeline to list the country of origin of the major ingredients in a food product but only so much so space on a label.


  • #84
    wonderfulname
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    maninasia wrote: »
    Let's turn this on it's head. This thread points to the tremendous opportunities in Ireland to establish genuine new Irish food brands, 100% Made in Ireland.

    Not necessarily, the companies left for a reason, consumers are more interested in price than origin right now. About 90% of our produce is exported, its not like there isn't enough Irish food to be had, what you find on the Irish market is the amount of Irish produce we care to consume.

    Having said that there is probably room for a chain of Irish grocers, if supermarkets weren't so good at concealing where their fruit and veg comes from it would already be a much more active space IMO.


  • #85
    Corsendonk
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    wonderfulname wrote: »
    Not necessarily, the companies left for a reason, consumers are more interested in price than origin right now. About 90% of our produce is exported, its not like there isn't enough Irish food to be had, what you find on the Irish market is the amount of Irish produce we care to consume.

    Having said that there is probably room for a chain of Irish grocers, if supermarkets weren't so good at concealing where their fruit and veg comes from it would already be a much more active space IMO.

    Actually a very high % of Produce(Fruit & Veg) sourced by the supermarkets is Irish. Surprisely small amount of growers in Ireland produce most of it so the same growers supply up to 3 of the large supermarkets with the same roduct yet the quality is different in each. Down to store training in alot of cases, the grocer is more dedicated and specialist and can do a better job on display of stock. Certain lines like baby veg just dont make sense to produce in Ireland when you can pay peanuts for someone to harvest by hand in Kenya.


  • #86
    maninasia
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    The point is 'Irish brand'... there will be a market for quality stuff that is guaranteed to be from point of origin, same phenomenon happening all over the world. You can see it strongly in Asia, the US and the UK and probably starting in Ireland now. Where did you get the 90% of our food is exported?
    Also, if food is exported it's even more reason to capitalise on the Irish brand connection.
    It's not about competing head-on at mass market, more about building up from a small base. The internet and specality food stores will help to change the game.


  • #87
    Corsendonk
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    maninasia wrote: »
    The point is 'Irish brand'... there will be a market for quality stuff that is guaranteed to be from point of origin, same phenomenon happening all over the world. You can see it strongly in Asia, the US and the UK and probably starting in Ireland now. Where did you get the 90% of our food is exported?
    Also, if food is exported it's even more reason to capitalise on the Irish brand connection.
    It's not about competing head-on at mass market, more about building up from a small base. The internet and specality food stores will help to change the game.

    I am not sure about the 90% quoted by the other poster but I know 40% of the cheese sold in the UK is Irish. I don't think the supermarkets that sell it in the UK want to see Irish tricolours over it when most likely the UK consumer thinks its UK:D


  • #88
    maninasia
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    What I am talking about is brands here, brands are where the profit and longetivity is. A farmer can brand his own food and sell direct or semi-direct and make 5 times the revenue , especially if he adds a bit of processing and marketing. Consumers are getting much more savvy with food brands and the origin and qualiy of food products.
    It makes sense for Irish food producers and suppliers to promote the 'Irishness' in most cases but not all. Even in the UK I would say it is a positive rather than negative overall. While a large amount of cheese sold in the UK is IRish did they make much profit margin from that? It works for large scale enterprises who like big accounts that supermarkets can provide but it drops your profit margin big time.

    Companies like Fruitfield generated short-term revenue gain but damaged their brands, new brands with genuine pedigree and better quality product will come in and steal their market share, just watch it happen.


  • #89
    wonderfulname
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    maninasia wrote: »
    Where did you get the 90% of our food is exported?

    Leaving Cert Ag Science project, can't remember the source. If you look at our farming and consumption habits it makes sense though, we eat British cattle but produce continental breeds, we produce about 700million litres of milk a year, yet we drink about 5million litres (liquid milk, not including other dairy) it certainly isn't all for us.


    Edit: I think I may be out a 0 on the liquid milk figure, but 500,000 sounds very low...


  • #90
    londonbus
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    maninasia wrote: »
    The point is 'Irish brand'... there will be a market for quality stuff that is guaranteed to be from point of origin, same phenomenon happening all over the world. You can see it strongly in Asia, the US and the UK and probably starting in Ireland now. Where did you get the 90% of our food is exported?
    Also, if food is exported it's even more reason to capitalise on the Irish brand connection.
    It's not about competing head-on at mass market, more about building up from a small base. The internet and specality food stores will help to change the game.

    Definitely. As said above Irish Cadbury's is much nicer than English Cadbury's. Its the cream that does it...


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  • #91
    Corsendonk
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    maninasia wrote: »
    What I am talking about is brands here, brands are where the profit and longetivity is. A farmer can brand his own food and sell direct or semi-direct and make 5 times the revenue , especially if he adds a bit of processing and marketing. Consumers are getting much more savvy with food brands and the origin and qualiy of food products.
    It makes sense for Irish food producers and suppliers to promote the 'Irishness' in most cases but not all. Even in the UK I would say it is a positive rather than negative overall. While a large amount of cheese sold in the UK is IRish did they make much profit margin from that? It works for large scale enterprises who like big accounts that supermarkets can provide but it drops your profit margin big time.

    C.


    Sounds great but your talking about regional production at best on that small scale. The farmer has enough to worry about before processing, distribution and dealing with multiple retailers and distributors, you need a co-op system to share the admin and costs. The big boys of the retail world also don't want to be dealing with more smaller suppliers, its simpler for them to have large suppliers that deal in real volume and can fund promotions of products and offer continuity of supply. They do deal with the odd medium supplier so they can break a monopoly supplier.

    To be honest with the recession the trend with product branding has moved to supermarket own brand from private brands. The consumer have been forced to try cheaper own brands and found the quality to be good or better and most of the go getting food business now want to get into supermarket own brand because they see the volume there even if the profit margin is less. Also we have so many systems of labelling at the moment and you want another that will do what the my post in the link below what the current EU Quality and geographic origin labels currently do that Irish companies frankly haven't bothered there hole to do it and way cheaper than paying guranteed irish 10,000 euros before even sitting down with them.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056075186

    Richard Corrigan will be launching a campaign this monday to get more irish products signed up as we only have 4 still.


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