Michael Lowry and his two fingers to the Irish people

CommuterIE · 24-03-2011 09:36PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh didn't you know, Dempsey? The fact you're from Tipperary at all means you voted for him - even if you didn't.

Well Lowry got the majority vote from somewhere?? Probably out of his ass!

Dudess · 24-03-2011 09:38PM

Point me out where I said people in Tipperary didn't vote for him.

Is this sh1t of "Blame every person in the constituency even though they didn't all vote for the person in question" a Boards disease or what?

podge3 · 24-03-2011 09:42PM

While I'm living in Tipp, I'm only a blow in and I have always been appalled at the respect the locals bestow on Mr. Lowry.

Equally galling to me is the overall cost of this tribunal. Whatever Lowry got is only loose change compared to the vast sums that some of the legal eagles have "earned" over the past 14 years. IIRC, €2,750 was the daily rate.

This is just as criminal as what Lowry did IMHO.

CommuterIE · 24-03-2011 09:44PM

Dudess wrote: »

Point me out where I said people in Tipperary didn't vote for him.

Is this sh1t of "Blame every person in the constituency even though they didn't all vote for the person in question" a Boards disease or what?

Welll they voted him in :eek: :rolleyes:

Degsy · 24-03-2011 09:50PM

orourkeda wrote: »

Congratulations to North Tipperary for re-electing him.

We salute you.

Inbred,bog-Irish halfwits.

Like this bunch of welly-wearing cute hoors licking the hole of Clowen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8F-9nmZ5I

Badgermonkey · 24-03-2011 09:50PM

Dempsey wrote: »

People are probably voting him in based on the results he has gotten them, regardless of his crime of tax evasion.

If somebody offered me a fine wine with the proviso that they'd only pissed in it a little bit, I'd decline.

If people are tolerant of corruption in their elected officials, they can be assured that malign culture will eventually do them damage.

His actions have been contemptuous of his constituents, they are not blind to it, they indulge it out of self interest and thus are deserving of him.

NeedaNewName · 24-03-2011 09:56PM

Frankly most people in Ireland and probably in this thread would take "free money" if they thought they could get away with it.

We are a country of Michael Lowrys tbh.

RGDATA! · 24-03-2011 10:01PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Where are you getting 'dishonesty' from?
There are over 2000 pages in the report,which page is dishonesty printed on?

page 1055
couldn't find any mention of 'scangerism' though

Quiet you · 24-03-2011 10:01PM

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Frankly most people in Ireland and probably in this thread would take "free money" if they thought they could get away with it.

We are a country of Michael Lowrys tbh.

I agree, however, are our political representatives not supposed to hold the moral high ground? You know, lead by example and all that?

NeedaNewName · 24-03-2011 10:04PM

Quiet you wrote: »

I agree, however, are our political representatives not supposed to hold the moral high ground? You know, lead by example and all that?

Shouldn't all people regardless of their "Job" etc, try and achieve that?

walshb · 24-03-2011 10:05PM

Dudess wrote: »

Point me out where I said people in Tipperary didn't vote for him.

Is this sh1t of "Blame every person in the constituency even though they didn't all vote for the person in question" a Boards disease or what?

Who gives a sh!t about those who didn't vote for him; I think the point was made, the guy got voted back in despite him being a rogue. I don't think anyone really believes that ALL Tipp are for this guy, just enough to get him in;)

laughter189 · 24-03-2011 10:06PM

Quiet you wrote: »

I agree, however, are our political representatives not supposed to hold the moral high ground? You know, lead by example and all that?

But they do get things done , that are otherwise impossible

Rubik. · 24-03-2011 10:06PM

150 countries, including Ireland, signed to the UN Convention against Corruption - the first legally binding international anti-corruption instrument. 144 of those countries subsequently ratified the convention, meaning they were now obliged to implement a range of anti-corruption measures affecting their laws, institutions and practices. Despite having signed the thing in 2003, Ireland has yet to ratify it.

FG's reluctance to call for Lowry to resign just demonstrates that, despite the election and promises to the contrary, nothing has really changed.

Quiet you · 24-03-2011 10:10PM

NeedaNewName wrote: »

Shouldn't all people regardless of their "Job" etc, try and achieve that?

Well, yeah but the operable word there is try.

Maybe it's just me but I have this thing about those who make the decisions and laws being the average Joe Soaps moral better. Otherwise why not let Joe and his buddies vote on what laws to enter into the books or which ones to alter or discard....... wait a minute.

Quiet you · 24-03-2011 10:17PM

laughter189 wrote: »

But they do get things done , that are otherwise impossible

That's very true. It would have been impossible to have a light rail system built in another country that cost as much as the luas did.

Not that it's a bad system or anything but when it opened an international team was landing a probe on mars. Turns out they got a robot car with all sorts of sensors and gelogical equipment all the way to mars for a fraction of what it cost us to get a train from Sandyford to Stephen's Green. It cost two and half times more.

happyoutscan · 24-03-2011 10:26PM

A good kick to the face...

realdanbreen · 24-03-2011 10:39PM

Degsy wrote: »

Inbred,bog-Irish halfwits.

Like this bunch of welly-wearing cute hoors licking the hole of Clowen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8F-9nmZ5I

Whats wrong with the bog?
I bet your one of those johnnycomelatelys with a jedward accent

realdanbreen · 24-03-2011 11:15PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

page 1055
couldn't find any mention of 'scangerism' though

Just had a quick look there, no mention on page 1055.
Are you sure your not looking at the report on Eamonn Gilmore and Pat Rabbitte and the counterfeit fivers?

Dempsey · 25-03-2011 12:22AM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Well Lowry got the majority vote from somewhere?? Probably out of his ass!

I only get one vote, there are ~60,000 eligible to vote in North Tipperary. Go figure.

Badgermonkey wrote: »

If somebody offered me a fine wine with the proviso that they'd only pissed in it a little bit, I'd decline.

If people are tolerant of corruption in their elected officials, they can be assured that malign culture will eventually do them damage.

His actions have been contemptuous of his constituents, they are not blind to it, they indulge it out of self interest and thus are deserving of him.

I'm sure that you are a model citizen of this country that has never done anything that could be classed anywhere near illegal, immoral or unethical. Probably just a case of insufficient evidence to be sure :rolleyes:

This thread has all the model citizens of Ireland, flaming torches and pitchforks in hand

There's a witch, lets burn it for old times sake....

poppyvalley · 25-03-2011 01:01AM

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

What I think is more galling is the fact that all this information was more or less known yet the people of Tipperary North still voted the bóllocks in, as opposed to the corruption itself

But...but he got my granny in to a nursing home

johngalway · 25-03-2011 01:23AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Kenny should demand that he resigns for a start.

In case you missed it, we recently had what's called a General Election, where the people elect the members of the Dail. Kenny demand that Lowry resign, on what basis? Kenny no more has the power to get Lowry to resign than he does to get Meehole Martin or Gerry Adams to resign :rolleyes:

rarnes1 wrote: »

The courts? For a corrupt TD ? :pac::pac::pac:

He's still defending his position that he's done nothing wrong. The Tribunal has damn all legal standing that I know of. If there's a case I'm sure the DDP will bring it.

Which I think is a better system than rolley-eye mob justice :pac:

Quiet you · 25-03-2011 01:33AM

johngalway wrote: »

In case you missed it, we recently had what's called a General Election, where the people elect the members of the Dail. Kenny demand that Lowry resign, on what basis? Kenny no more has the power to get Lowry to resign than he does to get Meehole Martin or Gerry Adams to resign :rolleyes:

He's still defending his position that he's done nothing wrong. The Tribunal has damn all legal standing that I know of. If there's a case I'm sure the DDP will bring it.

Which I think is a better system than rolley-eye mob justice :pac:

Sure even if the DPP wanted to take them to court the publishing of this report makes any jury biased does it not? Hence no trial.

Dangerous Man · 25-03-2011 01:41AM

Dempsey wrote: »

I only get one vote, there are ~60,000 eligible to vote in North Tipperary. Go figure.

I'm sure that you are a model citizen of this country that has never done anything that could be classed anywhere near illegal, immoral or unethical. Probably just a case of insufficient evidence to be sure :rolleyes:

This thread has all the model citizens of Ireland, flaming torches and pitchforks in hand

There's a witch, lets burn it for old times sake....

This isn't a witch hunt. The man is corrupt and has been proven so. And let me tell you something else - if I were in his position I most certianly WOULD NOT have done what he did. It's unethical, a betrayal of trust and illegal. Some of us care about those things. It's a dreadful shame more don't - we wouldn't end up with rats like Lowry in the first place.

johngalway · 25-03-2011 02:02AM

Quiet you wrote: »

Sure even if the DPP wanted to take them to court the publishing of this report makes any jury biased does it not? Hence no trial.

Haven't a clue TBH. If it were the case, not much point forwarding it to the DPP then, so I'm guessing it's not the case, as it'd be pretty transparent as a meaningless act.

Quiet you · 25-03-2011 02:10AM

johngalway wrote: »

Haven't a clue TBH. If it were the case, not much point forwarding it to the DPP then, so I'm guessing it's not the case, as it'd be pretty transparent as a meaningless act.

In fairness I wouldn't consider any politican above a move like that just so they can hold their hands up and say "it's not my fault, it's the law".

It was the first thing I thought when I heard the report. I remember a few cases that were struck out over the years because of what I would have considered relatively innocuous comments in the media so I figured it was as good as finished with as far as prosecutions go. That said I've no knowledge of anything legal so I could well be talking sh*te.

Dempsey · 25-03-2011 02:28AM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

This isn't a witch hunt. The man is corrupt and has been proven so. And let me tell you something else - if I were in his position I most certianly WOULD NOT have done what he did. It's unethical, a betrayal of trust and illegal. Some of us care about those things. It's a dreadful shame more don't - we wouldn't end up with rats like Lowry in the first place.

Yea, of tax evasion when Ben Dunne paid for his house renovations. He was sacked from FG over it and has stood independently ever since.

The Moriarty Tribunal proves nothing concrete, its the opinion of a judge that was under pressure to give a result because of the time and money put into it. If they had concrete evidence this would have been in court years ago, it hasnt. Knowing something is one thing, proving it is quite another. We'll see if this goes to court and we'll see if he is convicted, until then nothing has been proven against him over the Esat Digifone saga.

Most here are bitching about Lowry and the people that voted for him. Your anger should be at the system and the distinct lack of accountability that has existed since before 1994. Nobody was bitching much about it for the last 14+ years about it because everyone had lots of disposable income from the proceeds of dodgy banks, politicians and developers. Dont question it, just let the good times roll!

Its only now that people want change, want political reform, when we dont have a pot to piss in. We are all guilty of greed and laziness to varying degrees, there is no denying it.

Dangerous Man · 25-03-2011 02:50AM

Dempsey wrote: »

Yea, of tax evasion when Ben Dunne paid for his house renovations. He was sacked from FG over it and has stood independently ever since.

The Moriarty Tribunal proves nothing concrete, its the opinion of a judge that was under pressure to give a result because of the time and money put into it. If they had concrete evidence this would have been in court years ago, it hasnt. Knowing something is one thing, proving it is quite another. We'll see if this goes to court and we'll see if he is convicted, until then nothing has been proven against him over the Esat Digifone saga.

Most here are bitching about Lowry and the people that voted for him. Your anger should be at the system and the distinct lack of accountability that has existed since before 1994. Nobody was bitching much about it for the last 14+ years about it because everyone had lots of disposable income from the proceeds of dodgy banks, politicians and developers. Dont question it, just let the good times roll!

Its only now that people want change, want political reform, when we dont have a pot to piss in. We are all guilty of greed and laziness to varying degrees, there is no denying it.

I'm bitching about them because they make me sick. I wouldn't vote for someone like Lowry and if I were elected to a position of importance I wouldn't behave like him either.

I hear what you're saying about the good times though; you have a good point. A few years ago I asked a friend of mine, who was doing very well as an electrician who he was voting for in the upcoming GE. His words - and I'll never forget this - 'Fianna Fail; I've done well out of them.' I asked him if he thought that other people's needs and issues should be a factor in his decision. He said 'it's up to other people to speak up for themselves.' He's a friend but his attitude stinks to high heaven. He's since been laid off from his well paying job. He's probably giving out about FF now.

Nothingbetter2d · 25-03-2011 02:58AM

CommuterIE wrote: »

Lowry treats the electorate like idiots... this is what I can't understand?!!? Are the people who vote for him idiots, or just manipulated.... I suspect the latter

they are if they voted him in.......he wasnt worng

Dangerous Man · 25-03-2011 03:07AM

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

they are if they voted him in.......he wasnt worng

They're rats.

Badgermonkey · 25-03-2011 03:11AM

Dempsey wrote: »

I'm sure that you are a model citizen of this country that has never done anything that could be classed anywhere near illegal, immoral or unethical. Probably just a case of insufficient evidence to be sure :rolleyes:

Why are you referring to me? I've never sought public office.

The only difference between Lowry and the gobshíte you voted for is that he hasnt been caught.

More differences than that:

My local T.D. has never had to make a settlement of €1.45 million as a result of financial irregularities uncovered by two separate tribunals.

My local T.D. has never sued a journalist for defamation and lost.

My local T.D. has never had her behaviour described as 'insidious' and 'disgraceful' by a High Court Judge.

Did Lowry put the country into the gutter? No, that was Fianna Fail

FF's a different matter and in this case is of absolutely zero relevance.

By engaging in profoundly corrupt acts while holding office, Michael Lowry grossly betrayed the trust placed in him and has now left the State prone to massive claims for compensation by unsuccessful bidders for the license granted via the sham process in 1995.

Adhering to the principles of good governance was demonstrably of little or no interest to him.

Thing is, he is the one with the track record of getting things done for North Tipp out of what is a corrupt system. Hate the game not the player.

Oh, the system made him do it. Are you inferring he had no choice in the matter?

The corruption perceptions index 2010 ranked Ireland 14th least corrupt globally, placing us above the likes of Germany, the UK and Japan.

If corruption on a par with that found by Moriarty were endemic in our system, we would undoubtedly rank far closer to 178th position.

Michael Lowry and his two fingers to the Irish people

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