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Darina Allens Hubby Pleads Guilty to Child Porn

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  • #2
    Hellrazer
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    9 MONTHS SUSPENDED SENTENCE
    Like everything else in this Fu<king country its a JOKE.9 months suspended sentence versus what those kids have to remember for every day of their lives.

    They should hang the Bastard.Or castrate him.Scum bag.I know if anything like that was ever done to my 5 year old the accused would never see the inside of the court room.Id say he`ll have to leave Ireland now.....They`re be plenty of people gunning for him.

    And they still have no sex-offenders register over here.

    *****************Rant over*************


  • #3
    DadaKopf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    We may have a celebrity's paedophile husband but the UK's light entertainment industry is in a state of crisis. I mean, Matthew Kelly is one thing, but Pete Townshend?

    There's something rotten at the heard ot LWT.


  • #4
    mike65
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    I was listening to the lunch time news as the story broke, they did they're darndest not to mention who his wife was. The sentence is light, though I'd like to think that treatment, rather than just locking someone up would be possible.

    Mike.


  • #5
    Shinji
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    They should hang the Bastard.Or castrate him.Scum bag.

    http://www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk/




    I presume it's the indignant fury and righteous rage you're in that prevented you from noting that the man hasn't actually been accused of abusing any kids himself, and hasn't done anything to anyone's five year old in person?

    Child porn is obviously wrong on a hell of a lot of levels, but paedophilia is a mental illness - and it's very important to recognise the difference between a paedophile who looks at pictures of children on the internet, and a paedophile who actually abuses children. "Hang 'em and flog 'em" isn't the answer - and in fact, marks you as more of an unpleasant animal than Tim Allen is.


  • #6
    DeVore
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    "They (ISPCC) also stated that these convictions represent a significant reminder to parents to be extremely vigilant regarding their children's use of the Internet."

    Or what, he'll send penis shaped sound waves at them??

    These kids werent abused over the internet, the pictures were distributed over the net.

    While I agree that parents should monitor their childs use of the net I would question if such scaremongering is really the answer.


    I also think the sentence was far too light, he should have been at least required to seek treatment. Paedophilia is a condition, jail wont do anything for it but community work is a joke.

    Where are they going to have him do it? An old folks home??

    I've seen what the cops in this country have to use by way of equipment and resources to track this stuff (I worked with them once a few years back chasing a bloke from who posted on Usenet and it found its way onto Boards). Its a f*cking joke.

    If the minister was so concerned, he'd issue some funding to them so they could upgrade from p120's

    DeV.


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  • #7
    Hellrazer
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    Thanks for the vote of confidence Shinji.
    Im assuming you dont have any kids because if/when you do I would put money on it that your "its a sickness" attitude would change.
    Yep it is the rage etc that Im in that made me make that statement and as far as Im concerned downloading child porn is every bit as bad as carrying it out yourself.
    I dont think Im more of an animal than this Paedophile and Im sure there are a lot of people who would agree with the my previous rant/statement.
    Richie


  • #8
    krankykitty
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    These kids werent abused over the internet, the pictures were distributed over the net.

    Fact is, if children were made pose for pics like this they WERE abused.. perhaps not by Allen but by somebody. Even though you may only be downloading this stuff, you are in a way providing a customer base for the sick ****ers who do this sort of thing.


  • #9
    Meh
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    Originally posted by krankykitty
    Fact is, if children were made pose for pics like this they WERE abused.. perhaps not by Allen but by somebody. Even though you may only be downloading this stuff, you are in a way providing a customer base for the sick ****ers who do this sort of thing.
    Nobody is disputing that. But this case still doesn't show any reason to be worried about your kids using the Internet. There are two separate issues here:
    1. The use of the Internet by pædophiles to distribute child pornography
    2. The use of the Internet by pædophiles to contact new victims
    Has there been even one single case in this country where a child was abused by someone they met over the net? The media and certain groups would have us believe that there's a pædophile lurking in every chatroom. In reality, a child is much safer on the internet than they are walking down the street.
    Originally posted by Hellrazer:
    And they still have no sex-offenders register over here.
    Yes there is.


  • #10
    Shinji
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Shinji


    Im assuming you dont have any kids because if/when you do I would put money on it that your "its a sickness" attitude would change.

    I wouldn't be so sure. I mean, I've noticed that some parents turn utterly stupid and neanderthal as soon as an issue like this is raised, but then again I'm not convinced they weren't every bit as stupid before the kids were even born.

    Funny how I've yet to meet a parent who can answer the question about what they'd do if, in fifteen years time, THEIR child was found to be looking at kiddy porn...

    And yes, lots of people would agree with your previous statement - just like lots of scumbags turn out at court hearings for this sort of thing to scream at the accused and throw stones. Hell, some of them even bring along their kids, nice family day out - a public outpouring of sickening hatred is a wonderful environment for children, after all.

    The ignorance and innate hatred of people like your good self sickens me far more than Tim Allen ever will, and all the more so because there are so many fucking animals like you around. I suppose you're bringing up your kids to be hate-filled ignorant scumbags in your image?

    Christ, I know which of you I'd let near children...


  • #11
    logic1
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    Originally posted by Shinji
    paedophilia is a mental illness

    I've had quite alot of reason to think about this recently and have come to the conclusion that describing paedophilia as a mental illness isn't altogether correct. It seems to fend off this disgusting crime as simply something someone developed like a bad case of flu. I think it goes much deeper than this. It's a preference that some people are born with or that people developed over years of psycholgical imbalance. Personally I think most paedophilia can't be "treated" or "cured" it's something that some people are born with. A type of incorrect wiring in the brain. Granted some develop paedophilic tendencies due to childhood trauma or psychological abuse when they were young but I still would never regard it asd a mental illness that can be effectively treated and cured so to speak.
    and it's very important to recognise the difference between a paedophile who looks at pictures of children on the internet, and a paedophile who actually abuses children.


    Couldn't agree more. There's many many different levels, some relatively harmless while some are deadly dangerous.
    "Hang 'em and flog 'em" isn't the answer - and in fact, marks you as more of an unpleasant animal than Tim Allen is.

    True, but I think the tendency to shout for the harshest of treatments against paedophiles is a most base instinct within balanced humans who see this crime as a monstrosity.

    But again it isn't the right attitude if we're being politically correct.

    .logic.


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  • #12
    seamus
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    Originally posted by logic1
    I've had quite alot of reason to think about this recently and have come to the conclusion that describing paedophilia as a mental illness isn't altogether correct. It seems to fend off this disgusting crime as simply something someone developed like a bad case of flu. I think it goes much deeper than this. It's a preference that some people are born with or that people developed over years of psycholgical imbalance. Personally I think most paedophilia can't be "treated" or "cured" it's something that some people are born with. A type of incorrect wiring in the brain. Granted some develop paedophilic tendencies due to childhood trauma or psychological abuse when they were young but I still would never regard it asd a mental illness that can be effectively treated and cured so to speak.

    Yep. There seems to be a tendency to treat peadophiles as 'evil' and as devils, and as criminals, simply for being peadophiles. I think the distinction needs to be made between being a peadophile, and being an active peadophile. The crimes that people get locked up for are possession of child porn, creation of child porn, child abuse, i.e. - Peadophilia in itself is not a crime. I've drawn comparisions with Podophilia (foot fetish) before - both are 'philes' - fetishes, the only difference that active peadophiles feed their fetish through the abuse or suffering of others. Podophiles get their kicks through harmless means.

    And such is the difference - people who give themselves pleasure through the unconsenting abuse of others are mentally ill, not evil or 'deviants'. Whether someone's tendencies for these things can be removed or not, still needs to be seen, but there definitaly needs to be greater awareness and research done into it, as opposed to scaremongering and blaming the internet.

    I think it's safe to assume that not all podophiles actively pursue their fetish, so by the same logic, there are plenty of 'safe' peadophiles out there.

    After all, looking at (regular) porn on the net, and actually going out and finding yourself a prostitute are two things, worlds apart.......


  • #13
    Hellrazer
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    Originally posted by Shinji
    I wouldn't be so sure. I mean, I've noticed that some parents turn utterly stupid and neanderthal as soon as an issue like this is raised, but then again I'm not convinced they weren't every bit as stupid before the kids were even born.

    Funny how I've yet to meet a parent who can answer the question about what they'd do if, in fifteen years time, THEIR child was found to be looking at kiddy porn...

    And yes, lots of people would agree with your previous statement - just like lots of scumbags turn out at court hearings for this sort of thing to scream at the accused and throw stones. Hell, some of them even bring along their kids, nice family day out - a public outpouring of sickening hatred is a wonderful environment for children, after all.

    The ignorance and innate hatred of people like your good self sickens me far more than Tim Allen ever will, and all the more so because there are so many fucking animals like you around. I suppose you're bringing up your kids to be hate-filled ignorant scumbags in your image?

    Christ, I know which of you I'd let near children...

    Ok Firstly I stand by my previous statement(s) that I think Tim Allen is scum and should be locked up/castrated whatever.Its my opinion thats all!!!
    Secondly my rant was over the extremely light sentence that this paedophile received in the current climate where these type of crimes are being reported every day.
    Thirdly Im not one of those people who will stand out side a court and scream abuse at the accused,Im a concerned parent who is worried that there is too much of this going on at the minute in this country and fear for my childs safety.
    Fourthly I may sound like a "hate filled ignorant scumbag" but just because I rant over an issue that I feel strongly about doesnt make me one.
    Lastly it sounds to me like you condone(maybe not condone but certainly dont see it for the serious crime that it is) this mans behaviour and if so please explain why you are sticking up for this man.And in the spirit of discussion,rather than launch personal attacks on me over statements Ive made please put forward YOUR ideas for the way that these sick crimes should be handled.
    Richie.


  • #14
    pro_gnostic_8
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    Originally posted by krankykitty
    Even though you may only be downloading this stuff, you are in a way providing a customer base for the sick ****ers who do this sort of thing.

    Indeed, and thereby perpetuating this worldwide exploitation of children.

    The "passive" paedophile who as yet has not himself sexually abused a child is still very culpable IMHO of a heinous crime by downloading these images. Anyone viewing these images is witnessing a criminal act perpetrated upon the most defenceless of all human beings, and is contributing directly to the future abuse of other children.

    Justice was not served in the ridiculously lenient sentencing of Allen.


  • #15
    Dr_Teeth
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    Thirdly Im not one of those people who will stand out side a court and scream abuse at the accused,Im a concerned parent who is worried that there is too much of this going on at the minute in this country and fear for my childs safety.

    I think you need to get a bit of perspective here mate. I contend that less of this kind of abuse happening in this country than ever before here, purely based on the fact that we as a society continue to advance ourselves over time. Because of our advances these crimes are reported, and the guilty punished (in theory) much more often. However a side-effect of this is massively increased press coverage and scare mongering.

    I don't think people should be scared. Scared people do dumb things - like our friends across the atlantic it would appear. We are not in the grips of some kind of epidemic.
    Lastly it sounds to me like you condone(maybe not condone but certainly dont see it for the serious crime that it is) this mans behaviour and if so please explain why you are sticking up for this man.

    "OMG if you disagree with me you must be with THEMMMM!! seize him!"

    Sorry Shinji the mob has spoken hehe. :)

    Teeth.


  • #16
    pro_gnostic_8
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    Originally posted by Shinji
    there are so many fucking animals like you around. I suppose you're bringing up your kids to be hate-filled ignorant scumbags in your image?


    I know Hellrazor is more than capable of defending himself.
    And I know too that I'm a relative newcomer to these boards, but since I've joined I have mostly hung out around Humanities and I've never read such a downright offensive invective as this against another poster. I, for one, feel compelled to say that this is just "not on".

    And........
    Christ, I know which of you I'd let near children...

    How about venting your spleen against a proven /convicted paedophile (Tim Allen) rather than making this insulting remark towards a fellow member of the Boards community.


  • #17
    pro_gnostic_8
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    Originally posted by Dr_Teeth
    I think you need to get a bit of perspective here mate. I contend that less of this kind of abuse happening in this country than ever before here,

    Teeth.

    With respect, Teeth, I don't think this is a relativistic issue. Whether paedophilia is more common or less so nowadays is beside the point (and arguable). The issue is about a suspended sentence handed down to a particular proven paedophile and the Irish judiciary's lenient attitute to paedophilia in general.


  • #18
    daveg
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    Ritchie - I totally agree with you. 9 Months suspended sentance what a joke. He should have been given a jail sentance.


    "Hang 'em and flog 'em" isn't the answer - and in fact, marks you as more of an unpleasant animal than Tim Allen is.

    I presume it's the indignant fury and righteous rage you're in that prevented you from noting that the man hasn't actually been accused of abusing any kids himself, and hasn't done anything to anyone's five year old in person?

    Shinji - your a muppet. Sounds to me like you dont think that prick did anything wrong. He was found with more than 1,000 pictures of children being raped you idiot. Sure its not as bad as him being a peodophile but he's still a sick **** who deserves more than a suspended sentence.


  • #19
    Stark
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    I actually agree with what Shinji said, you're just paraphrasing him. To be honest I think there should be more emphasis on tackling the root causes of paedophilia as an illness. It obviously seems to be rampant at the moment, so there must be something deeply wrong at the heart of society. With our culture at the moment, it would be virtually impossible for someone who found themselves developing those tendencies to seek treatment without the reactions shinji described.


  • #20
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    He was found with more than 1,000 pictures of children being raped you idiot.

    actually not all the pictures were of children being raped, afaik some were just simple nude posed pics or whatever.

    *shrug*
    not a very big point, but still..


  • #21
    Hellrazer
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    Originally posted by k.oriordan
    I actually agree with what Shinji said, you're just paraphrasing him. To be honest I think there should be more emphasis on tackling the root causes of paedophilia as an illness. It obviously seems to be rampant at the moment, so there must be something deeply wrong at the heart of society. With our culture at the moment, it would be virtually impossible for someone who found themselves developing those tendencies to seek treatment without the reactions shinji described.


    Im sick of people blaming everything on this being an illness and that being an illness.Its the same with smack addicts who are robbing old ladies with syringes to feed their "sickness".
    The FACTS are that this sick fu<k downloaded pictures of kids as young as 5 engaging in sexual acts with adults.THATS IT----THEY`RE THE CRIMES THAT WERE CARRIED OUT.THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
    And his sentence should reflect that.And people should stop saying that this man needs treatment over prison.He needs to be locked up so that his sick sexual deviant fantasies NEVER EVER get a chance to be played out in real life.And his treatment can be carried out in prison while he`s mulling over the things he`s done.Remember hes got off extremely lightly on these charges(no prison sentence)---Would you let him around your kids?????I certainly wouldnt.
    The sooner someone decides to start getting tough on these perverts and realises that d/l is akin to abusing these kids themselves then the sooner the problem can be dealt with.In the next few weeks there are going to be a lot more cases like this
    Judges,Garda etc have all been found with this stuff on their PCs --Lets see how the courts deal with these.Knowing that they`re Judges etc they`ll probably get off just as lightly.....


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  • #22
    seamus
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    I actually agree with what Shinji said, you're just paraphrasing him. To be honest I think there should be more emphasis on tackling the root causes of paedophilia as an illness. It obviously seems to be rampant at the moment, so there must be something deeply wrong at the heart of society. With our culture at the moment, it would be virtually impossible for someone who found themselves developing those tendencies to seek treatment without the reactions shinji described.

    That's the thing. It's not new. It's been around for millenia. In ancient greece, the young boy's body was idolised, and young boys were 'abused' as part of the norm. This is something which was swept under the rug when Christianity lost it's way and blanketed everything. The only problem is that this is a mental illness (as opposed to homosexuality for example), and is something which we must now face up to and find a way to deal with it.


  • #23
    hussey
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    I agree and disagree with some points here,

    Looking at pictures is one thing and doing it is another

    but looking at pictures may lead to the other, i.e. they could develop an 'urge'

    But Prison isn't Necessary the answer, as alot of P's are locked up in there own unit, ie surround by others P's .. this is not healthy

    and on a note regarding beating them up etc.
    This is all well and good etc. but what happened if someone was innocent, when the news of the world published pictures of P's, and elderly gentleman was mistaken as one and he was hospitalised

    Also about four years ago in Ard Scoil Ris in artane/Malihide Road, The news of teh world printed a headline saying one teacher was being investied(sorry spelling terrible) for child abuse

    This came about by a couple of kids haveing a laugh on a school retreat. They were talking to a guidence person, who told them anything tehy said would be confidential. They made up a story about a teacher, and how he tried it on with kids
    The Guidence counciller then told the school or garda, the teacher was suspended, the boys later confessed they made it up, the teacher had to be let go, and (the last I heard) he hasn't worked as teacher since, he had a daughter suffering from MS at the time


  • #24
    Clintons Cat
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    Slightly off topic but concerning the Pete Townsend arrest

    one of the most startling facts of Operation Ore,is the number of subscribers to this website.In the UK alone 7000 people handed over their credit card details to veiw child pornography,
    Take as a standard charge for porn sites as $25 a subscription peroid and thats an income of $225,000.
    Thats not forgetting lucrative black market sidelines such as Credit card cloning,blackmail and trading card details.
    Bearing in mind the UK was only a subsidery of a much larger US market and suddenly you are dealing with a very lucrative market.
    I am anaware how much of the content of the site was original material,and how much was gathered from other parts of the web.though one would suspect that original content or the promise of original content would be one of the hooks with which to induce clients to subscribe,
    Anyone who gave over their details,is funding child exploitation and deserves to be dealt with harshly by the law.I think a sentence in line with that recieved by Gary Glitter would be appopriate.


  • #25
    Jak
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    God the hysteria and "all or nothing" approach witnessed in this thread is a bit sad.

    Personally Yes I agree that he deserves more than a suspended sentence. A fixed term jail sentence would be appropriate.

    However I would most certainly distinguish between a repentent Tim Allen (who sought therapy prior to arrest) viewing such material (I accept he and others were providing a market) - and the people who actually abduct and abuse thereby providing the supply side of the market.

    It wouldn't bother me for example if the killer of "Holly and Jessica" was executed, but I think it is a little draconian to be calling for the same measure to be leveled on Tim Allen.

    I see a distinction between those guilty of viewing the material and those who commit the acts. Both parties should be brough to justice, however there is likely some hope for the former, and I don't particularly care what happens to the latter.

    Also, this point was made, but ...
    1,000 pictures of children being raped you idiot

    He had downloaded only approx 90, of which none were involved in sexual acts. They were simply unclothed. It does not change much in the case, my point is simply misinformation is rife in these sort of discussions.

    On a side note - Hellrazer you must live in a very frightened state with all the bombings, abductions, natural disasters etc. that go on every day in our neighbourhoods. I would be afraid to let my child out of my sight ... ever ... if I lived in your world.

    JAK.


  • #26
    daveirl
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  • #27
    amp
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    Hellrazer - calm down, this thread is not here for you to vent your anger

    daveg - do not resort to calling people names. If you disagree with someones argument, attack that, not the person.

    Let's keep this debate calm and civil.

    Now. Back on topic...


  • #28
    Talliesin
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    It doesn't matter whether pædophilia is an illness, a congenital sexual preference or whatever. Pædophilia per se is not the issue.

    Abusers of children, whether those who directly abuse children or those who abuse them through pornography are not always pædophiles, and pædophiles aren't always abusers.

    Many, probably the majority, of abusers of children don't have a sexual preference for children. The abuse occurs for a variety of reasons, some apply to attackers who are strangers, some to those who know the children, some to professional abusers (pimps, pornographers):
    1. Children are easier victims than adults.
    2. Disabled children are very much easier targets than adults. In particular children with Down's Syndrome are very trusting and are deliberately targetted by some perpetrators for that very reason.
    3. Children are often in the care of/dependant upon the abuser.
    4. People who blame their children for problems in their life (real problems or delusional) may engage in violence against them, including sexual violence and sexualised violence.
    5. Continual sexual abuse is an effective means of brainwashing and control, and is used as such.
    6. Street children and runaways have a fear of law enforcement or whatever it is they are fleeing that can be used by abusers (as in this recent case).
    7. Children can be easier to traffick for a variety of practical reasons.
    8. Children are deliberately targetted by perpetrators who believe they have less chance of catching STDs (in some countries there is even a myth that having sex with a child can cure STDs including AIDS and children are deliberately sought for this purpose).
    9. In some countries the supply-and-demand is such that adults aren't worth nearly as much to pimps and slave-traders as children, hence it is more economical for the slavers to sell children to those who don't specifically want children as well as those who do.
    10. The easiest way for pimps and slave-traders to get adult victims is to get them while they are still children.
    11. Porn addicts are often drawn to a more extreme experience as they get jaded with what they are currently using. One direction this can lead in is towards child pornography.
    12. Some pornography users prefer pornography to which those portrayed did not consent, or which those portrayed visibly suffered from. To such people child pornography has an obvious advantage because they know its really rape rather than acted.

    Counter to these reasons why non-pædophiles might abuse children, it's worth adding that pædophilia doesn't remove one's capability for moral thinking. Someone who is abusing children is knowingly perpetrating an act of violence whether they are a pædophile or not.

    Allen got sexual satisfaction from the abject misery imposed on the children involved. His crimes helped to psychologically validate those directly perpetrating violence on children by creating a community in which the perpetrators were not only told that it was okay to do what they did, but congratulated and rewarded for doing so.
    His money went to an industry of sexual abuse of minors.

    5 years should have been a mimimum.


  • #29
    DeVore
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    /me stands behind Amp slowly tapping a truncheon against his left hand.


    DeV.


  • #30
    DeVore
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    Hellraiser, you are missing one point at least from what I said.

    Just because I think he needs treatment rather then 'a good kicking' or prison time, doesnt mean I think he should be released back into society.
    Treatment can be carried out in a controlled/restricted environment, 24/7

    DeV.


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  • #31
    Hellrazer
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    Originally posted by Jak


    On a side note - Hellrazer you must live in a very frightened state with all the bombings, abductions, natural disasters etc. that go on every day in our neighbourhoods. I would be afraid to let my child out of my sight ... ever ... if I lived in your world.

    JAK.

    No its not the bombings and natural disasters that Im worried about
    Its the sick people out there who will abuse and abduct children for their own pleasure that has me worried.
    Im also worried that Ireland is becoming like Britain where the situation has become so bad that parents WILL not let ever let their children out of their sight.

    And as Dave stated Tim Allen is now a convicted sex offender
    Dont forget it.

    He has officially been branded as a sick perverted person by the state and should be locked up.No one is being wrongly accused here.

    And so what if hes repentent.It doesnt excuse what he did.

    And I actually dont believe that there is a distinction between the person d/ling the pictures and the abuser.If there was no call for the material then there would be no point in posting it on the web.

    The person downloading should be treated in the same manner as the person who is abusing the kids.There is no difference.

    Richie.

    *******EDIT*******

    Amp
    Im the person who Shinji made the personal attack against(Think it was animal something or other)---You should be telling him/her to calm down as the way I see it a lot of people here agree with most of what Im saying.
    As I stated here earlier the object of my rant was and still is the lenient sentence that a convicted sex offender received in the Courts.And as for the treatment issue I believe that it should be carried out while the offender is in prison.
    Richie


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