Denis O' Brien, Michael and big Ben. stitched up or wha?

the groutch · 23-03-2011 03:55PM

thomas.browne wrote: »

Is no one going to question Moriarty in this at all? I don't ally myself with O Brien, Lowry or any of those kind but this tribunal has taken 14 years to date, wasted millions of our taxes, and in the end has produced a report that is utterly worthless.

Surely the point of this was to get to the facts, which we still haven't done. Justice PM decided that he knew what was said at the meeting on all ireland final day 95 and ignored what he was told was said (probably correctly) by two people independently. However, while I don't totally disagree with him ignoring what they said happened, how can he decide that he thinks he knows what really happened. That isn't facts of any sort.

This whole thing was a complete and utter waste of time, ink, and taxpayers money, and the only people that are benefitting out of it are the lawyers, who have now got another few rounds of payment coming along from appeals, from sueing the state for not having a fair chance for the licence, counter appeals...

are you any relation of Vincent?

thomas.browne · 23-03-2011 03:59PM

the groutch wrote: »

are you any relation of Vincent?

If I was I would have left Ireland long ago...

tricky D · 23-03-2011 04:06PM

ascanbe wrote: »

At least it's by Gene Kerrigan who, as far as i'm aware, has a reputation of managing to remain a relatively independent, free-thinking journalist:

Gene Kerrigan an Pat Brennan wrote a nice little book back 1999 called This Great Little Nation: An A-Z of Irish Scandals which has about a hundred tales of classic Irish scandals and stroke politics including this one.

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Pick it up if you can, it's great jacks reading which will make you both laugh and cry.

gbee · 23-03-2011 04:21PM

and put them on spikes at the city gates so as to deter anyone else from doing the same

Deise Tom · 23-03-2011 04:40PM

Will those that were involved in the government of the day and are still around today be offering to resign. They all knew what was going on whether they admit to it or not. Many of these people were the same that called for the heads of Haughy, Ahearne and Cowan in the last number of years.

wyndham · 23-03-2011 04:50PM

Dr Quirkey can wave bye bye to his Las Two Mile Borris Casino dream now hopefully. Everyone will be trying to distance themselves from the corrupt scumbag Lowry.

sjunger · 23-03-2011 07:18PM

You know ,when you have a feeling about someone?..In my case it is michael lowry..I have no loyalty to any party,but from the first day I saw him on tv,I thought that,I don't trust you.You are like like a dog with his head hanging down,waiting to bite you and wagging his tail at the same time..Sneaky c**t..Hope they hang you out to dry.Amazing why I can't get through your website when I tried to get to,I wonder why ??

walshb · 23-03-2011 07:21PM

It never surprises me that you will always get some people who will defend the indefensible. The dogs on the street know about Lowry. He's been bent for many a year now. Ah, but he serves the local community, doesn't he. Isn't that all that matters?:rolleyes:
No ****ing scruples.

walshb · 23-03-2011 07:47PM

As for O'Brien and his Haiti crusade; I wasn't falling for that ego trip. Chancer! A guy like that, charitable?:rolleyes:

missingtime · 23-03-2011 07:50PM

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

You forgot the third option

the Irish taxpayer got rode in the ass :mad:

And cannot afford to get it stitched up :mad:

CoalBucket · 23-03-2011 07:55PM

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

I'm surprised to see Dermot Desmond ally himself with this scum.

Why ? He bought into celtic didn't he ?

Obvious trolling is obvious

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-03-2011 08:06PM

Deise Tom wrote: »

Will those that were involved in the government of the day and are still around today be offering to resign. They all knew what was going on whether they admit to it or not. Many of these people were the same that called for the heads of Haughy, Ahearne and Cowan in the last number of years.

I would hope, as a FG voter, that if this report has shown current FG TDs engaged in corrupt practices, helping this ass**** Lowry, then yeah they should resign.

Problem is, the report does not say any such thing or allege any such thing about any current FG TD. FG do try and have a few standards;), only people who would do business with the likes of Lowry is FF :rolleyes:

But sure when you have no standards like FF, who will suck Lowry off, go down on Cooper-Flynns and mount Haely-Raes, it is easy to get shocked when a political party finds corruption and expels it (do they have morals?

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Nevermind_ · 23-03-2011 08:26PM

It will be very interesting to see what happens to the white elephant, state license to print money, Supercasino in two mile borris.
Lowry is the chief advisor/cheerleader for this scheme, its going to look incredibly bad for FG if they change the laws on gambling just to enrich Mr lowrys already wealthy friends.

We give away oil, gas, phone licenses, casino licenses to private interests and what does the taxpayer get in return? Sweet FA (or very little)

FlutterinBantam · 23-03-2011 08:47PM

walshb wrote: »

It never surprises me that you will always get some people who will defend the indefensible. The dogs on the street know about Lowry. He's been bent for many a year now. Ah, but he serves the local community, doesn't he. Isn't that all that matters?:rolleyes:
No ****ing scruples.

Steady up there lad.

If the dogs in the street know about Lowry, why hasn't he been taken to court and charged.?

You have three people basically, Lowry Ben Dunne and O'Brien all denying point blank the findings of the 14 fcuking year tribunal.

Dunne put it up to the state ..prove it and jail me!!!

I'm no admirer of Lowry, but as I see it nothing has been legally pinned on him...... after 14 years.

WTF

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-03-2011 08:50PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Steady up there lad.

If the dogs in the street know about Lowry, why hasn't he been taken to court and charged.?

You have three people basically, Lowry Ben Dunne and O'Brien all denying point blank the findings of the 14 fcuking year tribunal.

Dunne put it up to the state ..prove it and jail me!!!

I'm no admirer of Lowry, but as I see it nothing has been legally pinned on him...... after 14 years.

WTF

Maybe he is the Clay Davis of Ireland?:cool:

Paparazzo · 23-03-2011 08:52PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Maybe he is the Clay Davis of Ireland?:cool:

That's exactly what I thought of when he was on the radio today basically saying it's all lies and a huge conspiracy against him

FlutterinBantam · 23-03-2011 08:55PM

Paparazzo wrote: »

That's exactly what I thought of when he was on the radio today basically saying it's all lies and a huge conspiracy against him

He very well could be, but until something is actually proved against these goons in a court of law I can't make up my mind fully.

I know what I think to be true, but why the fcuk hasn't this been proved conclusively?

Surely it should be possible to sort this out

StudentDad · 23-03-2011 09:06PM

Well I haven't read the report so all I have to go on are reports in the media. From what I've heard, this crew have alot of questions to answer.

What surprises me is the fact that even after Lowry was turfed out of the Fine Gael party he still got elected as an independent. This says a whole lot about Irish society in my opinion.

This has to be sorted. I do think Lowry should step down as this report has cast a long shadow over his actions over the past number of years.

If he and the other individuals named in the report have broken the law they should be tried and either convicted or acquitted.

The idea that an individual or groups of individuals can somehow avoid the law because it's inconvenient or somehow does not apply to them is frankly repugnant.

"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done." [1923] All ER 233

SD

poppyvalley · 23-03-2011 09:15PM

Why dosent at least one of them sue the state for all the "lies" & character assassination in the Moriarty Tribunal. I know a judge was never sued but there must be some recourse to restore their good name

FlutterinBantam · 23-03-2011 09:21PM

StudentDad wrote: »

Well I haven't read the report so all I have to go on are reports in the media. From what I've heard, this crew have alot of questions to answer.

What surprises me is the fact that even after Lowry was turfed out of the Fine Gael party he still got elected as an independent. This says a whole lot about Irish society in my opinion.

This has to be sorted. I do think Lowry should step down as this report has cast a long shadow over his actions over the past number of years.

If he and the other individuals named in the report have broken the law they should be tried and either convicted or acquitted.

The idea that an individual or groups of individuals can somehow avoid the law because it's inconvenient or somehow does not apply to them is frankly repugnant.

"Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done." [1923] All ER 233

SD

Questions to answer.:eek:... this shit has been going on for FOURTEEN YEARS!

How could stuff be going on for fourteen years and these people have still questions to answer??

They have all stated categorically that the findings of the tribunal are wrong.

Fourteen years and millions of John Qs tax eurons later, we are still none the wiser?

WTF

ascanbe · 23-03-2011 09:32PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Steady up there lad.

If the dogs in the street know about Lowry, why hasn't he been taken to court and charged.?

You have three people basically, Lowry Ben Dunne and O'Brien all denying point blank the findings of the 14 fcuking year tribunal.

Dunne put it up to the state ..prove it and jail me!!!

I'm no admirer of Lowry, but as I see it nothing has been legally pinned on him...... after 14 years.

WTF

There's been no attempt made to pin anything legally on Lowry or the others; the tribunal has no power to do so.
The very point of these tribunals is that our political and business 'elite' get to avoid facing the criminal justice system that the rest of the public is subject to.
Oh, and another fortunate by-product is that the legal establishment get to absolutely coin-it; for 14 years in this, case with more to come, probably, via cases resulting from this.

questioner · 23-03-2011 09:33PM

i see from wiki that he spent 400k on an extension back in the nineties . that must be some F*ckin extension. any tipp locals willing to put up a picture?

King of Kings · 23-03-2011 09:36PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Maybe he is the Clay Davis of Ireland?:cool:

clay davis had style. Lowry has none.

At least that ****ing disaster of a casino will probably be damned now.
Thank **** - it was destined for nama 2.

ascanbe · 23-03-2011 09:40PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Maybe he is the Clay Davis of Ireland?:cool:

walshb · 23-03-2011 09:49PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Steady up there lad.

If the dogs in the street know about Lowry, why hasn't he been taken to court and charged.?

You have three people basically, Lowry Ben Dunne and O'Brien all denying point blank the findings of the 14 fcuking year tribunal.

Dunne put it up to the state ..prove it and jail me!!!

I'm no admirer of Lowry, but as I see it nothing has been legally pinned on him...... after 14 years.

WTF

Like I said, nothing surprises me...

The findings show the man to be bent. We all knew this already.
Who mentioned courts of law? I didn't.

Again, Ireland's lack of accountability and standards rears its ugly
head.

keano_afc · 23-03-2011 10:09PM

There's enough mud in that report to sling at Lowry. I dont believe a word from his mouth, I listened to him on the Last Word this evening and found myself wishing it was Cooper grilling him. As mediocre as he is, he would have pressed the issues better than Savage.

Anyone here from Tipp North willing to tell us why they gave him a vote? I find it staggering that such a cretin can top the poll so easily.

FlutterinBantam · 23-03-2011 10:11PM

walshb wrote: »

Like I said, nothing surprises me...

The findings show the man to be bent. We all knew this already.
Who mentioned courts of law? I didn't.

Again, Ireland's lack of accountability and standards rears its ugly
head.

Findings, which are fcuk all use apparently.

After fourteen years and millions of John Qs tax money, what has concluded?

Fcuk all!

Dunne ,Lowry and OBrien all deny the findings.

Nothing proved in a court of law.

Where to from here?

walshb · 23-03-2011 10:26PM

So a court of law is the only thing that matters?

People cannot be dishonest, corrupt or bent unless a courts says so?

Many others were bent and corrupt but never made it
to a court of law. Look at the recent FF men?

FlutterinBantam · 23-03-2011 10:39PM

walshb wrote: »

So a court of law is the only thing that matters?

People cannot be dishonest, corrupt or bent unless a courts says so?

Many others were bent and corrupt but never made it
to a court of law. Look at the recent FF men?

Of course not, but it fcuking helps if it can be proved.

These guys say they are not bent.

A court of law takes away that option.

macgrub · 23-03-2011 11:47PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Of course not, but it fcuking helps if it can be proved.

These guys say they are not bent.

A court of law takes away that option.

FlutterinBantam :
Moriarty has findings that Lowry has been involved in illicit dealings.
Nothing can be done because it's outside the tribunals power. Now, with the case going to the DPP, we will see what will happen.

To be honest, Michael Lowry can keep up the 'glove doesn't fit' routine all he wants, but, like some other poster previously mentioned, we know he has been involved in shady dealings.
''After fourteen years and millions of John Qs tax money, what has concluded?''..
While I do agree with you that plenty of tax money (if not too much) has been spent trying to get the guy, it is worth it if the DPP eventually get to prosecute him. The reason being, politician or not, he is not above the law. That is it.

keano_afc wrote: »

There's enough mud in that report to sling at Lowry. I dont believe a word from his mouth, I listened to him on the Last Word this evening and found myself wishing it was Cooper grilling him. As mediocre as he is, he would have pressed the issues better than Savage.

Anyone here from Tipp North willing to tell us why they gave him a vote? I find it staggering that such a cretin can top the poll so easily.

I am from North Tipp, and like yourself, it boggles the mind how he has so much support. Apart from the fact the man has a gifted ability of tacking his name to anything good. However, nearly every industry has left his home town of Thurles in the past twenty years, let alone the population dropping by over 10%. However, it is not this people see. People see a local politician and think the 'us against them' attitude.

Denis O' Brien, Michael and big Ben. stitched up or wha?

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