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Denis O' Brien, Michael and big Ben. stitched up or wha?

  • 22-03-2011 10:21PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭


    Here are the main points from Moriarty the report:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0322/moriartymainpoints.html

    EM, 6 VOTING STITCHED UP SO....
    wrote:
    RE: POLL. TO CLARIFY THE TOP ONE MEANS YOU THINK THEY ARE INNOCENT, THE BOTTOM ONE MEANS YOU THINK THEY'RE GUILTY
    wrote:
    It is 'beyond doubt' that Michael Lowry imparted substantive information to Denis O'Brien which was 'of significant value and assistance to him in securing the licence'.
    -Mr Lowry deprived the Government of its decision-making function. The Tribunal's report describes Mr Lowry has having a 'strategy' of depriving Government of an opportunity to scrutinise and review the result of the process.
    -Mr Lowry bypassed consideration by his Cabinet colleagues and thereby not only influenced, but delivered the result for Esat Digifone.
    -Mr O'Brien made or facilitated payments to Mr Lowry of £147,000 Sterling, £300,000 Sterling and a benefit equivalent to a payment in the form of Mr O'Brien's support for a loan of £420,000 Sterling.
    -In advance of the closing date of the competition, Esat Digifone had available to it confidential information regarding the weighting matrix adopted by the project group that it was not entitled to have.
    -The report refers to Mr Lowry's 'cynical and venal abuse of office' and his brazen refusal to acknowledge the impropriety of his financial arrangements with Mr O'Brien and Ben Dunne.
    -Mr Lowry used a 'groundless rumour' relating to the Persona consortium to his advantage and displayed an appreciable interest in the process and had irregular interactions with interested parties at its most sensitive stages.
    -The 'most pervasive and abusive instance' of Mr Lowry's influence was his action in withdrawing time from the Project Group, when it had requested an extension to its work because it was not convinced that Esat Digifone should be nominated as the winner.
    -Mr Lowry 'misled' the party leaders as to the clarity and certainty of the result that he had recommended.
    -Mr Lowry sought to overreach his own party leader, John Bruton, by 'intimating that the Government should have no discretion' in the matter.
    -The $50,000 donation to Fine Gael was made through Telenor on behalf of Esat Digifone.
    -The Tribunal report criticises the Fine Gael party for not revealing the clandestine nature of the €50,000 donation made by Mr O'Brien after his company won the mobile phone licence.
    -The report finds that Mr Lowry displayed qualities 'similar in nature' to Charles Haughey and says Mr Lowry's actions have cast a 'further shadow' over this country's public life.


    Denis, Micheal Ben and Dermot have thus far dismissed the report, Denis claims they were stitched up by the judicary.

    well?

    stitched up by the justice guys, or not? 20 votes

    Totally stitched up by the judicary
    0% 0 votes
    Not stitched up.
    100% 20 votes


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    wha?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    are those my feet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    What I believe the OP is trying to say is "Denis O'Brien, Michael Lowry and Ben Dunne will now have to face the consequences of their actions"

    The answer to that is of course, no.

    They, the Elite are untouchable, whereas if you or I so much as stole a sliced pan we'd be behind bars. And it took a huge amount of taxpayers money to tell us that which we are painfully aware of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    I'm surprised to see Dermot Desmond ally himself with this scum. Not that I thought for one second that he was any better than them, I just thought he was smarter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    What I believe the OP is trying to say is "Denis O'Brien, Michael Lowry and Ben Dunne will now have to face the consequences of their actions"

    The answer to that is of course, no.

    They, the Elite are untouchable, whereas if you or I so much as stole a sliced pan we'd be behind bars. And it took a huge amount of taxpayers money to tell us that which we are painfully aware of.
    he's also wondering about public opinion, only for research reasons (honest)

    ok, i'm fascinated to see how many side with Mr O' Brien.

    he gave some performance on rte. utterly amazing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    he's also wondering about public opinion, only for research reasons (honest)

    ok, i'm fascinated to see how many side with Mr O' Brien.

    he gave some performance on rte. utterly amazing.

    If anyone thinks that these men have been "stiched up" they're either a Sindo hack or living in a cave. Its just taxpayers' money being pissed down the drain. At least in America guys like Madoff go to jail. In Ireland they'll have a few drinks and a round of golf with the judge afterward. Its that kind of mentality that has the country in the sorry state its in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Yeah my bad, I think I picked the wrong answer. Was not paying attention. So if you are wondering who the one person who believes Denis, Michael and Ben, then that is my bad. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Cheap Thrills!


    You forgot the third option

    • the Irish taxpayer got rode in the ass stitched up :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    it's on prime time now. cant wait til Vinny. he he


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    You forgot the third option truth

    • the Irish taxpayer got rode in the ass :mad:

    fyp:mad:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    it's on prime time now. cant wait til Vinny. he he


    Hope he has that witch Sara Carey on - O'Brien's chief cheerleader and FG insider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Hope he has that witch Sara Carey on - O'Brien's chief cheerleader and FG insider.
    well i assume that's her on now defending him so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    What I believe the OP is trying to say is "Denis O'Brien, Michael Lowry and Ben Dunne will now have to face the consequences of their actions"

    The answer to that is of course, no.

    They, the Elite are untouchable, whereas if you or I so much as stole a sliced pan we'd be behind bars. And it took a huge amount of taxpayers money to tell us that which we are painfully aware of.

    Self-fulfilling prophecy. This will continue as long as people keep saying this, believing it and accepting it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Hope he has that witch Sara Carey on - O'Brien's chief cheerleader and FG insider.
    wow. she's something else all right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Hope he has that witch Sara Carey on - O'Brien's chief cheerleader and FG insider.

    What you see on Prime Time is just Carey/Denis O'Brien v Smyth/Tony O'Reilly; as usual, it's about vested interests and has nothing to do with the public interest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Self-fulfilling prophecy. This will continue as long as people keep saying this, believing it and accepting it.


    Well I sure as f*** don't accept it, but plenty of people, (the same mentality of the FF voter and the massgoer) sadly do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    Lowry topped the pole in North Tipperary only a few weeks ago. We'll all knew he was a gangster of the highest order. The awarding of the mobile phone license was the biggest private commercial deal since the formation of the state. Moriarty founded that he made hundreds of thousands of sterling from the deal. I believe him.

    We all knew Fianna Fáil were corrupt since the Haughey era. We all knew Bertie was a gangster, yet he was re-elected for a third time in 2007.

    We've only ourselves to blame really (for being bankrupt etc.). I include myself in that. I didn't vote for FF, but maybe I should have protested harder. At least FG got rid of Lowry. Well done North Tipp!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    In a normal country, Carey would be immediately sacked by her employers the IT. She's basically branded herself a liar, I wonder what would make her do that? (I'm assuming she's not fcking thick)
    Following on from O Brien's performance on 6.1 the weasels are squirming.

    Also, look at independent.ie , not a bit about the biggest scandal since eh, the last one.
    Their current 'headline' (not even a headline, is "Moriarty Tribunal brands rent deal corrupt")

    What a joke of a country!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    Well done North Tipp!!

    No problem
    And it's North Tipp-South Offaly these days :)
    Let the good people of Offaly get the credit too

    Only 8 candidates ran and four were no hopers.
    Must have been on the least contested areas around, Wicklow had over 20


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    Lowry topped the pole in North Tipperary only a few weeks ago. We'll all knew he was a gangster of the highest order. The awarding of the mobile phone license was the biggest private commercial deal since the formation of the state. Moriarty founded that he made hundreds of thousands of sterling from the deal. I believe him.

    We all knew Fianna Fáil were corrupt since the Haughey era. We all knew Bertie was a gangster, yet he was re-elected for a third time in 2007.

    We've only ourselves to blame really (for being bankrupt etc.). I include myself in that. I didn't vote for FF, but maybe I should have protested harder. At least FG got rid of Lowry. Well done North Tipp!!

    Speak for yourself if you are going to blame yourself. For many, including myself, woke too late and everything is coming together like a complex jigsaw puzzle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    gambiaman wrote: »
    Also, look at independent.ie , not a bit about the biggest scandal since eh, the last one.
    Their current 'headline' (not even a headline, is "Moriarty Tribunal brands rent deal corrupt")

    What a joke of a country!

    Dennis O'Brien owns most of Independent News and Media. They also own Today FM. The coverage on The Last Word today was diabolical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    <Ollie> wrote: »
    Dennis O'Brien owns most of Independent News and Media. They also own Today FM. The coverage on The Last Word today was diabolical.

    And Newstalk which itself was a disgrace today in toadying to him.

    And this from an IT journalist on Primetime tonight:

    "I leaked some information about a donation [DOB] made to the [PDs] & I denied that to the Tribunal" Sarah Carey, in her own words.

    She laughed while she said it.
    These fcukers know nothing will touch them - deny everything till your final breath, attack the messenger and it'll alll blow over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    Poll fail. No 'Motorola Star TAC' option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Loathe as i am to provide a link from the Independent, especially since Tony O'Reilly has a vested interest in this case and was the main-shareholder, i believe, when this piece was published, this seems a fairly good, factual article. At least it's by Gene Kerrigan who, as far as i'm aware, has a reputation of managing to remain a relatively independent, free-thinking journalist:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/a-costly-round-of-lunches--golf-classics-and-race-days-505550.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭Cheap Thrills!


    Vincent Browne extended programme now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    I see it's 54 guilty and 6 innocent.

    reckon the 6 were my fault for not been clear enough with the options.

    least i hope that's the reason...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rubik.


    gambiaman wrote: »
    In a normal country, Carey would be immediately sacked by her employers the IT. She's basically branded herself a liar, I wonder what would make her do that? (I'm assuming she's not fcking thick)

    She has more than one employer ... http://www.newstalk.ie/tag/sarah-carey/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    7 now. very funny. should a kept me gob shut


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Rubik. wrote: »
    She has more than one employer ... http://www.newstalk.ie/tag/sarah-carey/


    Not surprising, is it? She was Marketing Director with Esat during their Lowry-aided successful bid for the mobile licence in the 90s
    http://www.sarahcarey.ie/about-me/
    GUBU indeed.

    Despite her hanging herself with her smug, mocking attitude last night she will be well looked after.
    She also deliberately misled viewers in saying Moriarty found no corruption in the Lowry/OBrien fixup knowing that was not in the terms of reference and he couldn't explicitly say that.
    Useless O'Callaghan didn't even bother to pull her up on that.

    The inbreeding in Irish media has been well and truly exposed - what an awful little ****hole.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 thomas.browne


    Is no one going to question Moriarty in this at all? I don't ally myself with O Brien, Lowry or any of those kind but this tribunal has taken 14 years to date, wasted millions of our taxes, and in the end has produced a report that is utterly worthless.

    Surely the point of this was to get to the facts, which we still haven't done. Justice PM decided that he knew what was said at the meeting on all ireland final day 95 and ignored what he was told was said (probably correctly) by two people independently. However, while I don't totally disagree with him ignoring what they said happened, how can he decide that he thinks he knows what really happened. That isn't facts of any sort.

    This whole thing was a complete and utter waste of time, ink, and taxpayers money, and the only people that are benefitting out of it are the lawyers, who have now got another few rounds of payment coming along from appeals, from sueing the state for not having a fair chance for the licence, counter appeals...


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