People who have jobs complaining about people on the dole.

Degsy · 22-03-2011 12:11PM

professore wrote: »

However .... just you wait another 6 months to a year and a lot of those public sector workers are going to be on a much reduced dole payment to what's available now when compulsory redundancies are introduced, it's only a matter of time ....

What a load of gibberish..go back and ask McDonalds to send you to Clown college.

professore · 22-03-2011 12:17PM

Degsy wrote: »

What a load of gibberish..go back and ask McDonalds to send you to Clown college.

Some lovely people on here. Welcome to the real world pal.

gonedrinking · 22-03-2011 12:37PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Not everyone looks at the dole as a way of life. Hell, I couldn't live like this forever. I like being able to enjoy my life - and that takes money.

No it doesn't, you don't need a lot of money to lead a good life. My mate has been on the dole for the last 3 months and he has never been happier.

He told me he stays up late every night and sleeps in to about 12, dozes for an hour and eventually gets up at 1pm. He then has a pot noodle and a ****, then goes for a game of golf. He doesn't pay green fees but says he can get away with it because no one else is around at that time. He then gets a takeaway on the way home, plays call of duty on xbox live until about 8pm, then heads to the pub for 3 or 4 pints.

I asked him does he not get bored and fed up doing the same thing every day and he said the odd time, and if so he will just make hang sandwiches and a flash of tae and take a bus journey somewhere. Last week he said he went to the coast, had a walk about and then just chilled out on the beach for the day with his ipod, looking at the waves, admiring the scenary and taking in the fresh sea air. He said he loves going on little trips like this because its so quiet and peaceful in these places when everyone else is working.

He said he was so fed up when he was working, he was stressed out, constantly tired from the early morning starts, he had his boss nagging him every time he put a foot out of line, he also had to contend with office politics.

I must admit I am a bit jealous of him, if I had any guts I would quit the rat race too and sign up for the dole. Its just a much better quality of life than working.

jackiebaron · 22-03-2011 12:52PM

the groutch wrote: »

or just go look for another job. they are there alot of people (not saying the OP is one, I don't know him personally) who expect the jobs to come to them, and need to get off their @rse and looks for work.

You can't look for a job 24/7. It will drive you mad and knock your confidence. And one thing a would-be employer can smell is desperation. Better to spend a few hours a day going through the ads and online, polishing the CV. Spend fifteen minutes lying on your bed and imagining a dream job/career because now could be a good time to change directions towards something your really want to do instead of something that pays the bills. Most people would sooner work for a few quid less than the dole if they absolutely loved what they were doing. I know I'd gladly be a pornstar for 180 a week instead of on the dole for 196. :P

Offy · 22-03-2011 01:00PM

wild_cat wrote: »

What type of form do I fill in to get that?

You get it after 15 years of working and your wife dies leaving you with 3 kids to raise. Widowers Contributory Pension. You are entitled to the grant AND the pension, equally you are entitled to the pension and JB. Add rent supplement to that and its almost €600 per week.

Offy · 22-03-2011 01:03PM

Plazaman wrote: »

Eh.... no you don't. You can pay taxes until you bleed through your eyes but it doesn't entitle you to diddly.

You must pay PRSI (aka stamps, insurance, contributions) in order to build up a Social Welfare entitlements. Tax money (like TV licences - just reading that thread ) is dead money, you never see it again.

OP, being a taxpayer myself all my life, I've no problem supporting those out of work. Economy is temporarily fúckéd but hopefully you'll be back in action again. However if you come back and say you're refusing work because you're better off on the dole, then prepare for major remonstration and to receive a good blasting with pi.......

IMO any money the government take from my payslip is tax money. I dont really care what the government call it, if they take it then to me its a tax.

Degsy · 22-03-2011 01:06PM

professore wrote: »

Some lovely people on here. Welcome to the real world pal.

Been living in the real world since before you had an arse in your trousers..."public sector" are paying the dole for most of the wasters at the moment..including lazy-arsed graduates who are scared stuiff of work.

sollar · 22-03-2011 01:15PM

gonedrinking wrote: »

No it doesn't, you don't need a lot of money to lead a good life. My mate has been on the dole for the last 3 months and he has never been happier.

He told me he stays up late every night and sleeps in to about 12, dozes for an hour and eventually gets up at 1pm. He then has a pot noodle and a ****, then goes for a game of golf. He doesn't pay green fees but says he can get away with it because no one else is around at that time. He then gets a takeaway on the way home, plays call of duty on xbox live until about 8pm, then heads to the pub for 3 or 4 pints.

I asked him does he not get bored and fed up doing the same thing every day and he said the odd time, and if so he will just make hang sandwiches and a flash of tae and take a bus journey somewhere. Last week he said he went to the coast, had a walk about and then just chilled out on the beach for the day with his ipod, looking at the waves, admiring the scenary and taking in the fresh sea air. He said he loves going on little trips like this because its so quiet and peaceful in these places when everyone else is working.

He said he was so fed up when he was working, he was stressed out, constantly tired from the early morning starts, he had his boss nagging him every time he put a foot out of line, he also had to contend with office politics.

I must admit I am a bit jealous of him, if I had any guts I would quit the rat race too and sign up for the dole. Its just a much better quality of life than working.

LOL, thats so true for alot of people. Proof that its too high for someone like him though and not targeted properly.

Offy · 22-03-2011 01:18PM

sollar wrote: »

LOL, thats so true for alot of people. Proof that its too high for someone like him though and not targeted properly.

If its lowered by much crime rates will increase, theres no easy solution to this issue. If people dont have enough food, shelter, warmth, etc. they turn to crime. The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Degsy · 22-03-2011 01:22PM

Offy wrote: »

If its lowered by much crime rates will increase, theres no easy solution to this issue. If people dont have enough food, shelter, warmth, etc. they turn to crime. The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

FatherLen · 22-03-2011 01:31PM

ok i am not giving "flack" (whatever the fuck that is) but i work a full time job and am incredibly greatfull for it. my friend has been claiming for the last year and wanted to organise a trip to amsterdam for a week. i cant afford it, he can.

fair???

Offy · 22-03-2011 01:35PM

Degsy wrote: »

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

You should run for office, really you should. Id say you would get elected on the first count. I really believe you would, just what Ireland needs because prison works so well.

jackiebaron · 22-03-2011 01:50PM

Degsy wrote: »

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

Some brainpower went into that well thought-out and reasoned solution.

CreepingDeath · 22-03-2011 01:51PM

Degsy wrote: »

."public sector" are paying the dole for most of the wasters at the moment..

No they don't.
You really don't understand economics outside the confines of your payslip.

The public sector contributes nothing to the countries revenue.
The public sector costs us money, it does not generate any money itself.

With the exception of the odd state body dealing with resources, public sector departments are costs to the state. So they cannot generate money to pay for the wasters.

Resource and service based state bodies like the ESB and Bord na Mona may be in profit, but education, health, law, defence, administration, councils etc, are all a drain on the countries finances. They don't "pay" for anything.

The private sector, which runs on profitability, is paying for the dole wasters and the public sector wasters.

sollar · 22-03-2011 01:59PM

Offy wrote: »

The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Thats a good idea.

Offy · 22-03-2011 02:07PM

sollar wrote: »

Thats a good idea.

I think so too but they are unwilling to do so. More cops makes it harder for the criminals.

Duggy747 · 22-03-2011 02:17PM

At this moment I'd like to thank the tax payers for keeping me alive

Degsy · 22-03-2011 02:28PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The public sector contributes nothing to the countries revenue.
The public sector costs us money, it does not generate any money itself.

Well when the corporation tax is raised (and it will be),it'll be the Public Sector workers who process your appliction for Dole-money.

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

Never has there been a private sector generating LESS money for the country..banks being bailed out by taxpayers,business closing every day and hardly an irish person on the workforce.

The Public Sector will always be here doing the work long after your paymasters have buggered off to calcutta.

And while i'm at it,the private sector businesses are dependant on the 350,000 public sector working spending thier wages on thier products and services..NOT the other way round as the government use tax receipts to pay our wages.

One way or another nearly all public sector wages go back into the economy,in spite of the private sector's ineptitude,greed,corruption and lack of value for money.

K-9 · 22-03-2011 02:43PM

Degsy wrote: »

Well when the corporation tax is raised (and it will be),it'll be the Public Sector workers who process your appliction for Dole-money.

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

Never has there been a private sector generating LESS money for the country..banks being bailed out by taxpayers,business closing every day and hardly an irish person on the workforce.

The Public Sector will always be here doing the work long after your paymasters have buggered off to calcutta.

And while i'm at it,the private sector businesses are dependant on the 350,000 public sector working spending thier wages on thier products and services..NOT the other way round as the government use tax receipts to pay our wages.

One way or another nearly all public sector wages go back into the economy,in spite of the private sector's ineptitude,greed,corruption and lack of value for money.

Wait until we default and we'll see how your theory works.

Butterflylove · 22-03-2011 02:45PM

0verblood wrote: »

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

I don't think its actually yourself people are complaining about....
Its the likes of people who chose to pick up the social rather then work for it?

They probably have never worked a day in their lives spend all the time and money in the pubs, rather then contributing to the community - if you have nothing to do SVP and others are looking for voluteers all the time, part time hours so you can still look for a job....

Others such as single mothers lying and saying partner doesnt live with them, People using their kids as a reason not to work when they can etc

They are the reason why people give out about paying tax and it been wasted etc.

Blame the system not the people!!!

gbee · 22-03-2011 02:46PM

Funny thing is most flak is directed at people coming from the dole office into the local pub, sure.

I'm sure the flak would be even greater again if we could see the crack taking junkies, so I guess this is for another Independent article next week, Thanks for the idea. Slow week, fantastic.

kingtut · 22-03-2011 02:48PM

OP - You have a genuine reason for being on the dole and only went on it as you fell on hard times and had no option. I have no problem with people in your situation. Sorry to hear about your unavoidable situation

I do however have a problem (and b*tch and moan) about the people who never bothered finding a job in the first place and use the dole as an easy way out. They are the people that are spending my tax money. Lazy cnuts! :mad:

kingtut · 22-03-2011 02:50PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

At this moment I'd like to thank the tax payers for keeping me alive

Finally some appreciation!

Degsy · 22-03-2011 02:52PM

K-9 wrote: »

Wait until we default and we'll see how your theory works.

So you think we have the balls as a nation to default??

K-9 · 22-03-2011 03:08PM

Degsy wrote: »

So you think we have the balls as a nation to default??

Nope, but it is looking increasingly inevitable anyway. Even if we somehow manage to avoid it, Interest payments are going to be huge in a few years, about 30% of tax revenue, back to 80's levels, leaving less and less money for a huge welfare and pay bill.

Somethings going to have to give. I'd say Welfare will be cut by a €10 every year, despite Labour promises, there'll be more hidden SW cuts, more redundancies and probably another look at pay. I know people are finding it hard already but the state is getting to the end of its credit line.

CreepingDeath · 22-03-2011 03:15PM

Degsy wrote: »

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

I'd estimate that I.T. related jobs pay between 1.5 - 3 times the average industrial wage. Large multinationals also pay substantial rent, pension contributions, health care contributions etc. So you don't know what you're talking about there.

Degsy wrote: »

And while i'm at it,the private sector businesses are dependant on the 350,000 public sector working spending thier wages on thier products and services..NOT the other way round as the government use tax receipts to pay our wages.

350,000 public sector jobs ? Oh sweet jesus.
You really can't see the forest for the trees can you ?

All those lazy union protected layabouts, with all those perks.
They are being paid for by the private sector.
The current argument about the 2 concessionary days holiday... that would be 700,000 man days lost in the public sector.

Degsy wrote: »

One way or another nearly all public sector wages go back into the economy,in spite of the private sector's ineptitude,greed,corruption and lack of value for money.

It's absolutely laughable that you accuse the private sector of not being value for money. The private sector doesn't cost the taxpayer anything (leaving aside the banks which should've been left to fail in true capitalist form)

The public sector managed to keep their annual service increments, so they keep getting pay rises every single year.
Absolute robbery from the taxpayer, nothing less than common thievery at the expense of the real workers who are generating the money to pay them.

WallyGUFC · 22-03-2011 03:15PM

It's not the peopel like OP I don't like. It's the tossers that during the recession didn't try to get a job. Sponging off us to buy their drink and Playstations and pay their rent. At least OP has a valid reason for being on the dole. Many, many don't however!

stooge · 22-03-2011 03:17PM

Degsy wrote: »

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

They contribute tax, they contribute a huge amount of exports (which as far as I know, is the main strong point of our economy at the minute).
They contribute knowledge/ideas and innovation.

Degsy wrote: »

The Public Sector will always be here doing the work long after your paymasters have buggered off to calcutta.

And if as you predict, the multinationals leave, how will the gap in tax be met? How will the poublic sector wages be paid? Will we all work for the public sector? How will that work?

K-9 · 22-03-2011 03:19PM

stooge wrote: »

They contribute tax, they contribute a huge amount of exports (which as far as I know, is the main strong point of our economy at the minute).
They contribute knowledge/ideas and innovation.

And if as you predict, the multinationals leave, how will the gap in tax be met? How will the poublic sector wages be paid? Will we all work for the public sector? How will that work?

We become Cuba I think.

EarlERizer · 22-03-2011 03:21PM

Degsy wrote: »

So you think we have the balls as a nation to default??

K-9 wrote: »

Nope, but it is looking increasingly inevitable anyway. Even if we somehow manage to avoid it, Interest payments are going to be huge in a few years, about 30% of tax revenue, back to 80's levels, leaving less and less money for a huge welfare and pay bill.

Somethings going to have to give. I'd say Welfare will be cut by a €10 every year, despite Labour promises, there'll be more hidden SW cuts, more redundancies and probably another look at pay. I know people are finding it hard already but the state is getting to the end of its credit line.

"I predict a riot"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ke34dKWo

People who have jobs complaining about people on the dole.

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