People who have jobs complaining about people on the dole.

0verblood

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

Chaotic_Forces

Learn what JSB is and learn what JSA is.

major bill

I find most of the flack directed at me is from the people that work for the welfare office..some can be very rude. also students who had to pay their way through college aint too happy with the labour market ativation fund which funds people to go back and do PLC/fetac courses nearly sure it pays for third level aswell.

Jimmy Garlic

I am acquainted with this particular guy (a nasty piece of work by all accounts) that used to always bang on about "dole leaches" "dole scum" etc and how they were spending his tax money on drink and whatnot. He looked down his nose and basically wanted them to have as miserable an existence as possible. I heard that he lost his job in January:D is having mortgage trouble :Dhad to sell his 09 car:D and is signing on:D. Saw him out one Saturday night a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't help myself, I called over to him and said "I hope that is not my tax money you are spending on drink".

Killer Pigeon

Bloody benefit scroungers ...


... :P

0verblood

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am acquainted with this particular guy (a nasty piece of work by all accounts) that used to always bang on about "dole leaches" "dole scum" etc and how they were spending his tax money on drink and whatnot. He looked down his nose and basically wanted them to have as miserable an existence as possible. I heard that he lost his job in January:D is having mortgage trouble :Dhad to sell his 09 car:D and is signing on:D. Saw him out one Saturday night a couple of weeks ago and I couldn't help myself, I called over to him and said "I hope that is not my tax money you are spending on drink".

Deadly.

gosuckonalemon

0verblood wrote: »

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

STFU and get a job you bum!

dolphin city

wow - you worked for seven years - which makes you what - 25 - time to get off the dole and get another job i think - either in Ireland or Austrlia, Canada or Europe - you're way to young to be sponging off the dole.

Where do you hear all this OP?

CreepingDeath

0verblood wrote: »

It's my money I'm receiving

Previous income tax isn't a personal savings account that you can make withdrawals from.

Offy

Ive heard them g0bsh1tes moaning for years now. I love them Every time I hear one of them I think to myself 'haha you fool, I get three different types of SW and all because I paid my taxes.' I dont moan about the tax man taking over half my income when I am working because thats the system we live in. Suck it up! Its a great country when a student gets an income of almost €600 a week. The poor poverty stricken student This is my eight year as a student, every wonder why?

Offy

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Previous income tax isn't a personal savings account that you can make withdrawals from.

If you pay taxes you have certain entitlements, get over it!!!

jester77

At least they are no longer moaning about the price of houses

jackiebaron

0verblood wrote: »

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

Dude, I have a good paying job and have never been on the dole in 20 years but I'm cool with you. You worked and now you need to go on the scratch till the next gig comes along. I'm happy to pay taxes to carry you. Don't mind the cunts who call you a sponger. Guarantee you the vast majority of them got their jobs through a hand-up or got their lucky break through a connection. Not only that but the vast majority of them would fiddle their taxes or dodge some financial obligation if the opportunity arose. They would keep the change if they were undercharged and would do their utmost to stiff a waitress out of her tip yet they piss and moan about others "on the take". Fcuk 'em. Enjoy your hiatus, get to the gym or the park and get some exercise then get to the library and enjoy some literature. Healthy body, healthy mind = healthy outlook. Then go for a pint. You deserve it.

Retrovertigo

0verblood wrote: »

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

With a winning attitude like that it's very hard to see why you're not employed!

DrumSteve

Ranting and Raving tbh

Twigster

Don't have a problem with people being on the dole, the problem if they're financially better off on the dole than working, so the system is the issue. There's also a big difference between someone who's out of work and someone who's just abusing the system with no intention of ever working.

jackiebaron

0verblood wrote: »

Deadly.

Should have asked him how he felt about "dole leeches" and "dole scum"

Eever

I got the opposite reaction from people when I was on the dole and then doing a fas course. If I was on a night out or something I'd say to mates "cheers for the drinks lads, it's your taxes paying for it" and the general reaction I got back was "sure would ya ever stop with that, your taxes have paid for it too, you've been paying them long enough".

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Previous income tax isn't a personal savings account that you can make withdrawals from.

I highly doubt he's decided to just take a little holiday from work and is enjoying drawing the dole. No it's not his savings account but he's paid his taxes so now that he's having a hard time he's perfectly entitled to get a little help along the way without being judged for it.

Plazaman

Offy wrote: »

If you pay taxes you have certain entitlements, get over it!!!

Eh.... no you don't. You can pay taxes until you bleed through your eyes but it doesn't entitle you to diddly.

You must pay PRSI (aka stamps, insurance, contributions) in order to build up a Social Welfare entitlements. Tax money (like TV licences - just reading that thread ) is dead money, you never see it again.

OP, being a taxpayer myself all my life, I've no problem supporting those out of work. Economy is temporarily fúckéd but hopefully you'll be back in action again. However if you come back and say you're refusing work because you're better off on the dole, then prepare for major remonstration and to receive a good blasting with pi.......

Mr Benevolent

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Previous income tax isn't a personal savings account that you can make withdrawals from.

True, but PRSI is.

Renn

Plazaman wrote: »

You can pay taxes until you bleed through your eyes but it doesn't entitle you to diddly.

You must pay PRSI (aka stamps, insurance, contributions) in order to build up a Social Welfare entitlements.

CreepingDeath

The OP should calm down, maybe relax with the help of a nice sponge bath.

wild_cat

Offy wrote: »

Ive heard them g0bsh1tes moaning for years now. I love them Every time I hear one of them I think to myself 'haha you fool, I get three different types of SW and all because I paid my taxes.' I dont moan about the tax man taking over half my income when I am working because thats the system we live in. Suck it up! Its a great country when a student gets an income of almost €600 a week. The poor poverty stricken student This is my eight year as a student, every wonder why?

What type of form do I fill in to get that?

professore

The only people who can possibly say that are public sector workers as anyone now in the private sector can't talk as their jobs are at risk constantly.

However .... just you wait another 6 months to a year and a lot of those public sector workers are going to be on a much reduced dole payment to what's available now when compulsory redundancies are introduced, it's only a matter of time ....

Gunsfortoys

Nothing wrong with being on the dole as long as you are actively looking for a job.

ilovesleep

Do you what boils my piss - people moaning as if 500,000 are unemployed out of choice and that they all are dole scroungers. The very same people would prefer to pay tax towards anglo and the banks before assisting others.

Our ex government were fcuk negligant. Did nothing to cull immegration from eastern euporeans, companies got up and left here to go to the very places that we are taking people from. Talking about economic suicide. And people wonder why there is so much unemployed.

During this time the irish were sold to the banks.
The irish taxpayer are fools.

ilovesleep

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Nothing wrong with being on the dole as long as you are actively looking for a job.

Dont you dare reduce others down to your levels of being a taxpaying slave/fool while not one between ff politicians, bankers, developers, ex financial regulator will be held accountable and punished accordingly for what they have done.

Gunsfortoys

ilovesleep wrote: »

Dont you dare reduce others down to your levels of being a taxpaying slave/fool while not one between ff politicians, bankers, developers, ex financial regulator will be held accountable and punished accordingly for what they have done.

Seriously STFU.

the groutch

jackiebaron wrote: »

Enjoy your hiatus, get to the gym or the park and get some exercise then get to the library and enjoy some literature. Healthy body, healthy mind = healthy outlook. Then go for a pint. You deserve it.

or just go look for another job. they are there alot of people (not saying the OP is one, I don't know him personally) who expect the jobs to come to them, and need to get off their @rse and looks for work.

sunflower27

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Previous income tax isn't a personal savings account that you can make withdrawals from.

Well obviously, but as someone who has worked for 10 years and always paid taxes etc, etc, I don't think I should simply have my home taken off me and live off the streets.

I haven't felt the way you do OP and I have been signing on since December. Maybe it's because I am late 30s and most people at that age have a bit of understanding about the way the world works and have been through stages of unemployment themselves.

I'm lucky, I had the foresight to take out mortgage payment protection so I am covered for a year.

I live very differently now. I try and save half my JSB every week. I've taken in a lodger (although unfortunately he lost his job and will be moving back home overseas), but I will get in another as soon as I can.

I don't go out for dinners, I have friends around.

Buying new clothes is off the agenda.

I live very simply these days. I no longer go to the gym, I go for walks.

Not everyone looks at the dole as a way of life. Hell, I couldn't live like this forever. I like being able to enjoy my life - and that takes money.

I am doing volunteer work to keep my mind active and get out of the house.

People that assume all people on the dole are scroungers are very much out of touch.

Let them have their little rant or whatever. As long as I have food in the cupboard, a place to live and am positive that things will improve, then I'm happy

If that p!sses people off, it's not my problem

Degsy

professore wrote: »

However .... just you wait another 6 months to a year and a lot of those public sector workers are going to be on a much reduced dole payment to what's available now when compulsory redundancies are introduced, it's only a matter of time ....

What a load of gibberish..go back and ask McDonalds to send you to Clown college.

professore

Degsy wrote: »

What a load of gibberish..go back and ask McDonalds to send you to Clown college.

Some lovely people on here. Welcome to the real world pal.

gonedrinking

sunflower27 wrote: »

Not everyone looks at the dole as a way of life. Hell, I couldn't live like this forever. I like being able to enjoy my life - and that takes money.

No it doesn't, you don't need a lot of money to lead a good life. My mate has been on the dole for the last 3 months and he has never been happier.

He told me he stays up late every night and sleeps in to about 12, dozes for an hour and eventually gets up at 1pm. He then has a pot noodle and a ****, then goes for a game of golf. He doesn't pay green fees but says he can get away with it because no one else is around at that time. He then gets a takeaway on the way home, plays call of duty on xbox live until about 8pm, then heads to the pub for 3 or 4 pints.

I asked him does he not get bored and fed up doing the same thing every day and he said the odd time, and if so he will just make hang sandwiches and a flash of tae and take a bus journey somewhere. Last week he said he went to the coast, had a walk about and then just chilled out on the beach for the day with his ipod, looking at the waves, admiring the scenary and taking in the fresh sea air. He said he loves going on little trips like this because its so quiet and peaceful in these places when everyone else is working.

He said he was so fed up when he was working, he was stressed out, constantly tired from the early morning starts, he had his boss nagging him every time he put a foot out of line, he also had to contend with office politics.

I must admit I am a bit jealous of him, if I had any guts I would quit the rat race too and sign up for the dole. Its just a much better quality of life than working.

jackiebaron

the groutch wrote: »

or just go look for another job. they are there alot of people (not saying the OP is one, I don't know him personally) who expect the jobs to come to them, and need to get off their @rse and looks for work.

You can't look for a job 24/7. It will drive you mad and knock your confidence. And one thing a would-be employer can smell is desperation. Better to spend a few hours a day going through the ads and online, polishing the CV. Spend fifteen minutes lying on your bed and imagining a dream job/career because now could be a good time to change directions towards something your really want to do instead of something that pays the bills. Most people would sooner work for a few quid less than the dole if they absolutely loved what they were doing. I know I'd gladly be a pornstar for 180 a week instead of on the dole for 196. :P

Offy

wild_cat wrote: »

What type of form do I fill in to get that?

You get it after 15 years of working and your wife dies leaving you with 3 kids to raise. Widowers Contributory Pension. You are entitled to the grant AND the pension, equally you are entitled to the pension and JB. Add rent supplement to that and its almost €600 per week.

Offy

Plazaman wrote: »

Eh.... no you don't. You can pay taxes until you bleed through your eyes but it doesn't entitle you to diddly.

You must pay PRSI (aka stamps, insurance, contributions) in order to build up a Social Welfare entitlements. Tax money (like TV licences - just reading that thread ) is dead money, you never see it again.

OP, being a taxpayer myself all my life, I've no problem supporting those out of work. Economy is temporarily fúckéd but hopefully you'll be back in action again. However if you come back and say you're refusing work because you're better off on the dole, then prepare for major remonstration and to receive a good blasting with pi.......

IMO any money the government take from my payslip is tax money. I dont really care what the government call it, if they take it then to me its a tax.

Degsy

professore wrote: »

Some lovely people on here. Welcome to the real world pal.

Been living in the real world since before you had an arse in your trousers..."public sector" are paying the dole for most of the wasters at the moment..including lazy-arsed graduates who are scared stuiff of work.

sollar

gonedrinking wrote: »

No it doesn't, you don't need a lot of money to lead a good life. My mate has been on the dole for the last 3 months and he has never been happier.

He told me he stays up late every night and sleeps in to about 12, dozes for an hour and eventually gets up at 1pm. He then has a pot noodle and a ****, then goes for a game of golf. He doesn't pay green fees but says he can get away with it because no one else is around at that time. He then gets a takeaway on the way home, plays call of duty on xbox live until about 8pm, then heads to the pub for 3 or 4 pints.

I asked him does he not get bored and fed up doing the same thing every day and he said the odd time, and if so he will just make hang sandwiches and a flash of tae and take a bus journey somewhere. Last week he said he went to the coast, had a walk about and then just chilled out on the beach for the day with his ipod, looking at the waves, admiring the scenary and taking in the fresh sea air. He said he loves going on little trips like this because its so quiet and peaceful in these places when everyone else is working.

He said he was so fed up when he was working, he was stressed out, constantly tired from the early morning starts, he had his boss nagging him every time he put a foot out of line, he also had to contend with office politics.

I must admit I am a bit jealous of him, if I had any guts I would quit the rat race too and sign up for the dole. Its just a much better quality of life than working.

LOL, thats so true for alot of people. Proof that its too high for someone like him though and not targeted properly.

Offy

sollar wrote: »

LOL, thats so true for alot of people. Proof that its too high for someone like him though and not targeted properly.

If its lowered by much crime rates will increase, theres no easy solution to this issue. If people dont have enough food, shelter, warmth, etc. they turn to crime. The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Degsy

Offy wrote: »

If its lowered by much crime rates will increase, theres no easy solution to this issue. If people dont have enough food, shelter, warmth, etc. they turn to crime. The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

FatherLen

ok i am not giving "flack" (whatever the fuck that is) but i work a full time job and am incredibly greatfull for it. my friend has been claiming for the last year and wanted to organise a trip to amsterdam for a week. i cant afford it, he can.

fair???

Offy

Degsy wrote: »

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

You should run for office, really you should. Id say you would get elected on the first count. I really believe you would, just what Ireland needs because prison works so well.

jackiebaron

Degsy wrote: »

Build huge fcuckin prison camps where they can squabble over who was the Harder Man on the estate as the smash rocks,build roads and pick up litter for a bowl of slop a day..no methadone,no cigarettes and no putting people from the same area in together.

Some brainpower went into that well thought-out and reasoned solution.

CreepingDeath

Degsy wrote: »

."public sector" are paying the dole for most of the wasters at the moment..

No they don't.
You really don't understand economics outside the confines of your payslip.

The public sector contributes nothing to the countries revenue.
The public sector costs us money, it does not generate any money itself.

With the exception of the odd state body dealing with resources, public sector departments are costs to the state. So they cannot generate money to pay for the wasters.

Resource and service based state bodies like the ESB and Bord na Mona may be in profit, but education, health, law, defence, administration, councils etc, are all a drain on the countries finances. They don't "pay" for anything.

The private sector, which runs on profitability, is paying for the dole wasters and the public sector wasters.

sollar

Offy wrote: »

The government have to try and prevent this so what should they do??? Lower SW and increase the number of cops? Whats your solution?

Thats a good idea.

Offy

sollar wrote: »

Thats a good idea.

I think so too but they are unwilling to do so. More cops makes it harder for the criminals.

Duggy747

At this moment I'd like to thank the tax payers for keeping me alive

Degsy

CreepingDeath wrote: »

The public sector contributes nothing to the countries revenue.
The public sector costs us money, it does not generate any money itself.

Well when the corporation tax is raised (and it will be),it'll be the Public Sector workers who process your appliction for Dole-money.

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

Never has there been a private sector generating LESS money for the country..banks being bailed out by taxpayers,business closing every day and hardly an irish person on the workforce.

The Public Sector will always be here doing the work long after your paymasters have buggered off to calcutta.

And while i'm at it,the private sector businesses are dependant on the 350,000 public sector working spending thier wages on thier products and services..NOT the other way round as the government use tax receipts to pay our wages.

One way or another nearly all public sector wages go back into the economy,in spite of the private sector's ineptitude,greed,corruption and lack of value for money.

K-9

Degsy wrote: »

Well when the corporation tax is raised (and it will be),it'll be the Public Sector workers who process your appliction for Dole-money.

People who sit on computers all day for multinationals are the ones who contribute nothing,they're being paid peanuts and the true profits are being sent away to the U-S-of A.

Never has there been a private sector generating LESS money for the country..banks being bailed out by taxpayers,business closing every day and hardly an irish person on the workforce.

The Public Sector will always be here doing the work long after your paymasters have buggered off to calcutta.

And while i'm at it,the private sector businesses are dependant on the 350,000 public sector working spending thier wages on thier products and services..NOT the other way round as the government use tax receipts to pay our wages.

One way or another nearly all public sector wages go back into the economy,in spite of the private sector's ineptitude,greed,corruption and lack of value for money.

Wait until we default and we'll see how your theory works.

Butterflylove

0verblood wrote: »

STFU!

It's my money I'm receiving, I've worked year in year out for the last 7 years since I was 18, now I'm on the dole for the first time ever, and all I see is people complaining that I'm taking their money. Will ye shut up to f*ck, I'm entitled to it and it's not your money! I can blow it all on coke on collection day and you shouldn't give a toss. I paid my taxes and PRSI and PAYE and VAT and TV Licence and all sorts of stealth tax, feck off!

Have any of you on the dole received similar flack?

I don't think its actually yourself people are complaining about....
Its the likes of people who chose to pick up the social rather then work for it?

They probably have never worked a day in their lives spend all the time and money in the pubs, rather then contributing to the community - if you have nothing to do SVP and others are looking for voluteers all the time, part time hours so you can still look for a job....

Others such as single mothers lying and saying partner doesnt live with them, People using their kids as a reason not to work when they can etc

They are the reason why people give out about paying tax and it been wasted etc.

Blame the system not the people!!!