US Army kill team in Afghanistan

pragmatic1 · 21-03-2011 06:34PM

RichieC wrote: »

Yea but they're goodies! they have bible quotes on their guns!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

Oh the ironing.

My name is URL · 21-03-2011 06:35PM

RichieC wrote: »

Yea but they're goodies! they have bible quotes on their guns!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

That is truly fcuked up..

RichieC · 21-03-2011 06:35PM

If you really think yanks are the good guys, read some comments from their so-called Moral majority:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

bunch of fking animals.

I do feel sorry for the civilised coastal parts

Raging_Ninja · 21-03-2011 06:41PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That is truly fcuked up..

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".

If you really think yanks are the good guys, read some comments from their so-called Moral majority:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

bunch of fking animals.

I do feel sorry for the civilised coastal parts

We have our own nutjobs as well you know.

karma_ · 21-03-2011 06:44PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to the bible, based on what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".

We have our own nutjobs as well you know.

It is fúcked up though. Notwithstanding the double standard of having a Christian bible verse on an object designed to make killing easier, it evokes the spirit of the crusades.

RichieC · 21-03-2011 06:44PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".

Yea, nothing to do with the fact that the Christian right has basically taken over the pentagon. End times nutters at the helm of the largest military ever constructed doesn't worry me at all at all!

Oh and free republic is no fringe website.

Overheal · 21-03-2011 06:48PM

RichieC wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4440664.stm

US used white phosphorus in Iraq

Lovely people.

I would ask Manic Moran about that, he's debated the phosphorous issue several times.

But as far as I'm concerned what those soldiers did is truly sick. I however do not find it to be representative of the entire armed forces.

RichieC · 21-03-2011 06:49PM

He'll probably say what all militaryphiles say, it was used to light the urban battlefield.

Nodin · 21-03-2011 06:50PM

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

whiteonion · 21-03-2011 06:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

RichieC · 21-03-2011 06:54PM

Nodin wrote: »

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

That behaviour is a symptom of the training they are given, most will hang onto their humanity, but all to often they wont.

Stinicker · 21-03-2011 06:58PM

whiteonion wrote: »

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

Nothing like a good old America bashing thread, I have the highest respect for the Military especially the US Military. These "sadists" are willing to put their lives on the lines so that people like you have the freedom to criticise them.

My cousin in an ex US Marine who did a tour of Duty in Kuwait in 1990, he's the nicest guy you could meet, settled back in America after the war, set up his own business got married and had kids, yet hes still a sadist I guess?

If Ireland had compulsory Military conscription (like Germany) it would quickly harden up some of the wusses we have in society and teach them a thing or two about the real world that we live in. They would quickly drop the liberal pc bull crap that is so popular in this country and learn that others don't have the same liberal welcome for westerners.

dlofnep · 21-03-2011 06:58PM

Nothing will come of this. The right-wing media will defend the US on this at all costs as always. The US will continue to act as the moral champion of the world.

Raging_Ninja · 21-03-2011 06:59PM

whiteonion wrote: »

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

They didn't try to cover it up. The men are on trial and will likely face execution. They US military just didn't want the pictures to be published because it could cause more violence.

jackiebaron · 21-03-2011 07:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

And have you evidence to show that this was sanctioned and part of an on-going operation?

I think it's widely acknowledged that the Phoenix Program was sanction from the top. Teams of Special Forces just roamed the country murdering civilians at will. Unlike the My Lai Massacre which was spontaneous and was covered up by that pig, Colin Powell, Phoenix was a systemic pogrom, a reign of sheer terror.

robinph · 21-03-2011 07:05PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Nothing will come of this. The right-wing media will defend the US on this at all costs as always. The US will continue to act as the moral champion of the world.

Yep, just think if we had a media in the west that was able to highlight the wrongs that the military do in our name and question them over it.

Oh wait:

whiteonion wrote: »

...http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians ...

Chaotic_Forces · 21-03-2011 07:06PM

whiteonion wrote: »

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

Please stop.
You have no idea what you're on about.

Let's say I kill a guy; do we want the evidence put out? No, we do not. Do we want the evidence in a trial, yes we do.

All the American guys are doing is saying "look, we know those soldiers should be tried and we will put them on trial. We just don't want a scandal out so everyone things that the entire army are bad guys".

Of course, people like you just jump on the army at any chance you get.
I might not like Americans, I might hate how most of them act but you cannot deny that going into a combat situation takes some toughness, a lot more than you would have. While you can say "I hate how evil some of the soldiers are", most would agree with you. But no, you didn't. You lumped every single guy and girl in the army of America as a bunch of some sort of... heartless savages.

We all know amongst every group of people at least a few will have psychotic thoughts and wish to engage in them. But... that doesn't make them all like that. It just means in every group a few are pri*ks. So get over it, America's Army isn't what you think.

I actually feel ill after defending America.

dlofnep · 21-03-2011 07:06PM

I said "right wing media".

jackiebaron · 21-03-2011 07:07PM

MarkR wrote: »

How many of them have you met?

Why does he have to meet any of them to know what kind of people they are? I haven't met any members of the Waffen SS or Ernst Rohm's Sturmabteilung (SA) but that doesn't disqualify me from viewing them as vile, sadistic thugs whose favourite tastes were stale beer and blood.

whiteonion · 21-03-2011 07:07PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Nothing like a good old America bashing thread, I have the highest respect for the Military especially the US Military. These "sadists" are willing to put their lives on the lines so that people like you have the freedom to criticise them.

My cousin in an ex US Marine who did a tour of Duty in Kuwait in 1990, he's the nicest guy you could meet, settled back in America after the war, set up his own business got married and had kids, yet hes still a sadist I guess?

If Ireland had compulsory Military conscription (like Germany) it would quickly harden up some of the wusses we have in society and teach them a thing or two about the real world that we live in. They would quickly drop the liberal pc bull crap that is so popular in this country and learn that others don't have the same liberal welcome for westerners.

I have done military service in my home country so I DO think I know a little bit more than you about what people in the military are in general.
The ones who end up there full time are too stupid to get a proper education and generally unemployable anywhere in the private sector.

Chaotic_Forces · 21-03-2011 07:09PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Why does he have to meet any of them to know what kind of people they are? I haven't met any members of the Waffen SS or Ernst Rohm's Sturmabteilung (SA) but that doesn't disqualify me from viewing them as vile, sadistic thugs whose favourite tastes were stale beer and blood.

You're joking, right?

RichieC · 21-03-2011 07:11PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Nothing like a good old America bashing thread, I have the highest respect for the Military especially the US Military. These "sadists" are willing to put their lives on the lines so that people like you have the freedom to criticise them.

This line might work in America but you wont get far with it here.

Raging_Ninja · 21-03-2011 07:11PM

whiteonion wrote: »

I have done military service in my home country so I DO think I know a little bit more than you about what people in the military are in general.
The ones who end up there full time are too stupid to get a proper education and generally unemployable anywhere in the private sector.

Yay, now I get to post these:

It wasn't me! · 21-03-2011 07:13PM

whiteonion wrote: »

I have done military service in my home country so I DO think I know a little bit more than you about what people in the military are in general.
The ones who end up there full time are too stupid to get a proper education and generally unemployable anywhere in the private sector.

Yeah, that's a giant bag of balls. I'm going into military service after I get a good degree with solid employment prospects, as a professional. You know nothing about soldiers, whatever you may think from your shortsighted and limited experience.

Overheal · 21-03-2011 07:14PM

whiteonion wrote: »

I have done military service in my home country so I DO think I know a little bit more than you about what people in the military are in general.
The ones who end up there full time are too stupid to get a proper education and generally unemployable anywhere in the private sector.

I'm sure thats a well informed opinion based on nonobjective polling data.

whiteonion wrote: »

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

Theres no "cover-up" no media blackout no nothing. They acknowledge the crimes but they don't want the images leaked. It happened with Abu Ghraib and those images became recruitment tools for the Taliban. They criticized the wikileaks releases for much of the same reasons.

jackiebaron wrote: »

I think it's widely acknowledged that the Phoenix Program was sanction from the top. Teams of Special Forces just roamed the country murdering civilians at will. Unlike the My Lai Massacre which was spontaneous and was covered up by that pig, Colin Powell, Phoenix was a systemic pogrom, a reign of sheer terror.

I dont think that was his question. I believe his question was do you have evidence of a Phoenix 2.0 Program in this circumstance?

This line might work in America but you wont get far with it here.

Indeed. Pathos is all but futile.

Why does he have to meet any of them to know what kind of people they are? I haven't met any members of the Waffen SS or Ernst Rohm's Sturmabteilung (SA) but that doesn't disqualify me from viewing them as vile, sadistic thugs whose favourite tastes were stale beer and blood.

Creative. You are of course qualified to hold that opinion, just know that opinion does not fact make.

robinph · 21-03-2011 07:14PM

dlofnep wrote: »

I said "right wing media".

Doesn't matter what side one bunch of media calls themselves, there is the other side which is perfectly free to voice their opinion. Your suggesting that the story will somehow get suppressed and that nothing would come of it is rubbish, as proven by the fact that we are here discussing it.

RichieC · 21-03-2011 07:14PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Yay, now I get to post these:

Right wing thinktank, nice and unbiased.

Chaotic_Forces · 21-03-2011 07:15PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Yay, now I get to post these:

So basically "hey, I'm just going to prove your point is 100% wrong and your point is just an opinion".

Can I borrow you if I get a wife, you'll be able to win all my arguments for me. :P

Chaotic_Forces · 21-03-2011 07:16PM

RichieC wrote: »

Right wing thinktank, nice and unbiased.

The Census is right-wing?

RichieC · 21-03-2011 07:16PM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

The Census is right-wing?

Heritage foundation is.

US Army kill team in Afghanistan

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