US Army kill team in Afghanistan

whiteonion

A number of US soliders are on trial for killing civilians and taking "trophies" from their bodies and taking photographs of their killings. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians Killing and terrorizing civilians was a normal part of the military campaign in Vietnam. It was called the Phoneix program. Looks like they have another Phoenix program in Afghanistan as well. The US army has tried to make sure that this photographs don't make it out in public because they don't want people to know that their members consists of drug crazed sociopaths.

Sykk

Ok.

Run_to_da_hills

Expect Libya to go down the same route. :mad:

whiteonion

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Expect Libya to go down the same route. :mad:

You can't expect anything else from the savages that make up the US army.

phill106

Would a drug crazed sociopath behave like a normal responsible human being?

Saila

whiteonion wrote: »

sociopaths.

you mean psychopaths no?

Saila

Sykk wrote: »

Ok.

thats just sykk :mad:

MarkR

whiteonion wrote: »

You can't expect anything else from the savages that make up the US army.

How many of them have you met?

whiteonion

MarkR wrote: »

How many of them have you met?

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

Nodin

whiteonion wrote: »

.......... It was called the Phoneix program. Looks like they have another Phoenix program in Afghanistan as well.............

And have you evidence to show that this was sanctioned and part of an on-going operation?

prinz

whiteonion wrote: »

You can't expect anything else from the savages that make up the US army.

How many US Service personnel are in Afghanistan and how many scumbags are on trial?

Saila

prinz wrote: »

How many US Service personnel are in Afghanistan and how many scumbags are on trial?

lots..and not many





*statistics given as a guide only*

robinph

whiteonion wrote: »

You can't expect anything else from the savages that make up the US army.

whiteonion wrote: »

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

Care to re-write your first statement then? Are you anti all militarys, or just ones that are from the US.

Other than them having bigger guns than anyone else about at the moment they are in no way unique in the type of personnel that make up their ranks.

RichieC

Scum.

Local-womanizer

whiteonion wrote: »

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

Yet you still group them all as violent killers.

Any US soldiers I have met have been absolute gents.

Nodin

...lovely, lovely, lovely guns.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_Individual_Airburst_Weapon_System

Jumpy

whiteonion wrote: »

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

They all take statins. Thats what makes them violent.

Oh and their raw meat diet.

whiteonion

robinph wrote: »

Care to re-write your first statement then? Are you anti all militarys, or just ones that are from the US.

Other than them having bigger guns than anyone else about at the moment they are in no way unique in the type of personnel that make up their ranks.

Military personell are trained to kill and they do so. I'm anti all military. I consider myself to be truly antiwar.

chicken fingers

prinz wrote: »

How many US Service personnel are in Afghanistan and how many scumbags are on trial?

too many, and not enough.

Jumpy

whiteonion wrote: »

Military personell are trained to kill and they do so. I'm anti all military. I consider myself to be truly antiwar.

Looking back through your posts you are anti-everything.

Nodin

whiteonion wrote: »

Military personell are trained to kill and they do so. I'm anti all military. I consider myself to be truly antiwar.

Thats great and good for you.

Do you have evidence that this is an organised program like 'phoenix', like you alledged in the OP?

RichieC

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Yet you still group them all as violent killers.

Any US soldiers I have met have been absolute gents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4440664.stm

US used white phosphorus in Iraq

Falluja suffered great damage during the offensive
US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon in last year's offensive in the Iraqi city of Falluja, the US has said.
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against civilians, he said.

The US had earlier said the substance - which can cause burning of the flesh - had been used only for illumination.

BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood says having to retract its denial is a public relations disaster for the US.

Col Venable denied that white phosphorous constituted a banned chemical weapon.

Washington is not a signatory to an international treaty restricting the use of the substance against civilians

Lovely people.

robinph

whiteonion wrote: »

Military personell are trained to kill and they do so. I'm anti all military. I consider myself to be truly antiwar.

Yet this...

whiteonion wrote: »

You can't expect anything else from the savages that make up the US army.

...suggests that it is only the US that ever does such things.

InTheTrees

Serving in the US military is about the only way anyone can afford to go to university in the USA (they pay your fees after you're out) so they're not all crazed maniacs by any means.

Raging_Ninja

1. These guys are on trial already. Depending on the law when they are found guilty hopefully they will be executed, or if not given life imprisonment.

2. From all I've seen and been told, people in the US military hate guys like these, because it drags the rest of them down and helps the enemy. Most of the people that join the armed forces are hard-working decent people.

InTheTrees

Jumpy wrote: »

They all take statins. Thats what makes them violent.

Oh and their raw meat diet.

Statins?

To lower their Cholesterol?



Or did you mean Steroids???

:pac:

pragmatic1

This aint the first time and it wont be the last. The US army loosened their restrictions on hiring military personnel, allowing people with criminal records to join. Lots of white supremacists, gang members and sociopaths in their ranks.

Mister men

But but but if the movies have thought us anything it's that American soldiers are always the good guy's. I'm confused.:rolleyes:

RichieC

pragmatic1 wrote: »

This aint the first time and it wont be the last. The US army loosened their restrictions on hiring military personnel, allowing people with criminal records to join. Lots of white supremacists, gang members and sociopaths in their ranks.

Yea but they're goodies! they have bible quotes on their guns!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

InTheTrees

Seems like a good time for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_7C0QGkiVo

robinph

Mister men wrote: »

But but but if the movies have thought us anything it's that American soldiers are always the good guy's. I'm confused.:rolleyes:

Which side is Alan Rickman on? That will help clear up who is the side of good and bad.

pragmatic1

RichieC wrote: »

Yea but they're goodies! they have bible quotes on their guns!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

Oh the ironing.

My name is URL

RichieC wrote: »

Yea but they're goodies! they have bible quotes on their guns!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

That is truly fcuked up..

RichieC

If you really think yanks are the good guys, read some comments from their so-called Moral majority:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

bunch of fking animals.

I do feel sorry for the civilised coastal parts

Raging_Ninja

My name is URL wrote: »

That is truly fcuked up..

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".

If you really think yanks are the good guys, read some comments from their so-called Moral majority:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

bunch of fking animals.

I do feel sorry for the civilised coastal parts

We have our own nutjobs as well you know.

karma_

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to the bible, based on what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".



We have our own nutjobs as well you know.

It is fúcked up though. Notwithstanding the double standard of having a Christian bible verse on an object designed to make killing easier, it evokes the spirit of the crusades.

RichieC

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

It used to be put on the ACOG (an optical sight) by the manufacturers (not the US military). The practice stopped in 2009.

The inscription said "JN8:12", which refers to

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Basically a cryptic reference to what the ACOG does. Not "fcuked up".

Yea, nothing to do with the fact that the Christian right has basically taken over the pentagon. End times nutters at the helm of the largest military ever constructed doesn't worry me at all at all!

Oh and free republic is no fringe website.

Overheal

RichieC wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4440664.stm

US used white phosphorus in Iraq

Lovely people.

I would ask Manic Moran about that, he's debated the phosphorous issue several times.

But as far as I'm concerned what those soldiers did is truly sick. I however do not find it to be representative of the entire armed forces.

RichieC

He'll probably say what all militaryphiles say, it was used to light the urban battlefield.

Nodin

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

whiteonion

Nodin wrote: »

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

RichieC

Nodin wrote: »

...I doubt its representative. Its certainly not authorised, as the suddenly departed OP has tried to claim.

That behaviour is a symptom of the training they are given, most will hang onto their humanity, but all to often they wont.

Stinicker

whiteonion wrote: »

I would not associate with people in the military. I know what those people are like. They are the same all over the world. Violent sadists.

Nothing like a good old America bashing thread, I have the highest respect for the Military especially the US Military. These "sadists" are willing to put their lives on the lines so that people like you have the freedom to criticise them.

My cousin in an ex US Marine who did a tour of Duty in Kuwait in 1990, he's the nicest guy you could meet, settled back in America after the war, set up his own business got married and had kids, yet hes still a sadist I guess?

If Ireland had compulsory Military conscription (like Germany) it would quickly harden up some of the wusses we have in society and teach them a thing or two about the real world that we live in. They would quickly drop the liberal pc bull crap that is so popular in this country and learn that others don't have the same liberal welcome for westerners.

dlofnep

Nothing will come of this. The right-wing media will defend the US on this at all costs as always. The US will continue to act as the moral champion of the world.

Raging_Ninja

whiteonion wrote: »

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

They didn't try to cover it up. The men are on trial and will likely face execution. They US military just didn't want the pictures to be published because it could cause more violence.

jackiebaron

Nodin wrote: »

And have you evidence to show that this was sanctioned and part of an on-going operation?

I think it's widely acknowledged that the Phoenix Program was sanction from the top. Teams of Special Forces just roamed the country murdering civilians at will. Unlike the My Lai Massacre which was spontaneous and was covered up by that pig, Colin Powell, Phoenix was a systemic pogrom, a reign of sheer terror.

robinph

dlofnep wrote: »

Nothing will come of this. The right-wing media will defend the US on this at all costs as always. The US will continue to act as the moral champion of the world.

Yep, just think if we had a media in the west that was able to highlight the wrongs that the military do in our name and question them over it.

Oh wait:

whiteonion wrote: »

...http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/21/us-army-kill-team-afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians ...

Chaotic_Forces

whiteonion wrote: »

Let's wait a few years until all the evidence gets out. The fact that they tried to cover it up suggests that it was sanctioned. Why would they otherwise try to cover it up?

Please stop.
You have no idea what you're on about.

Let's say I kill a guy; do we want the evidence put out? No, we do not. Do we want the evidence in a trial, yes we do.

All the American guys are doing is saying "look, we know those soldiers should be tried and we will put them on trial. We just don't want a scandal out so everyone things that the entire army are bad guys".

Of course, people like you just jump on the army at any chance you get.
I might not like Americans, I might hate how most of them act but you cannot deny that going into a combat situation takes some toughness, a lot more than you would have. While you can say "I hate how evil some of the soldiers are", most would agree with you. But no, you didn't. You lumped every single guy and girl in the army of America as a bunch of some sort of... heartless savages.

We all know amongst every group of people at least a few will have psychotic thoughts and wish to engage in them. But... that doesn't make them all like that. It just means in every group a few are pri*ks. So get over it, America's Army isn't what you think.

I actually feel ill after defending America.

dlofnep

I said "right wing media".

jackiebaron

MarkR wrote: »

How many of them have you met?

Why does he have to meet any of them to know what kind of people they are? I haven't met any members of the Waffen SS or Ernst Rohm's Sturmabteilung (SA) but that doesn't disqualify me from viewing them as vile, sadistic thugs whose favourite tastes were stale beer and blood.

whiteonion

Stinicker wrote: »

Nothing like a good old America bashing thread, I have the highest respect for the Military especially the US Military. These "sadists" are willing to put their lives on the lines so that people like you have the freedom to criticise them.

My cousin in an ex US Marine who did a tour of Duty in Kuwait in 1990, he's the nicest guy you could meet, settled back in America after the war, set up his own business got married and had kids, yet hes still a sadist I guess?

If Ireland had compulsory Military conscription (like Germany) it would quickly harden up some of the wusses we have in society and teach them a thing or two about the real world that we live in. They would quickly drop the liberal pc bull crap that is so popular in this country and learn that others don't have the same liberal welcome for westerners.

I have done military service in my home country so I DO think I know a little bit more than you about what people in the military are in general.
The ones who end up there full time are too stupid to get a proper education and generally unemployable anywhere in the private sector.