Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 01:27AM

gigino wrote: »

What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?

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Germany
Berlin
http://www.findaproperty.com/searchresults.aspx?edid=09&salerent=0&areaid=4522&bedrooms=02

bryaner · 21-03-2011 01:28AM

gigino wrote: »

and according to my stalker erictheviking ( and I am certainly not his son...he may have sons he does not know about but I am certainly not his son....when he assumes things, he makes an ASS out of himself as usual ) it was neither of the above, it was neither of the above, it was " greedy builders, developers,buy to let chancers, golden circle members etc. who drove prices through the f***ing roof" lol. Blame everyone but himself. Well now people have the opportunity in Ireland to buy a 2 bedroom newly built apartment for well less than a years average public sector salary !
Guess what ? He's still not happy
http://www.daft.ie/searchnew_development.daft?id=12590

What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?

N.B. I am only too well aware that many people have mortgages from 4 , 6 or 8 years ago. In fact some of my colleagues have multiple mortgages, from holiday homes or investment properties etc. Others have no mortgages.

Seeing as your back please tell me who funded the bubble?

erictheviking1 · 21-03-2011 01:29AM

gigino wrote: »

and according to my stalker erictheviking ( and I am certainly not his son...he may have sons he does not know about but I am certainly not his son....when he assumes things, he makes an ASS out of himself as usual ) it was neither of the above, it was neither of the above, it was " greedy builders, developers,buy to let chancers, golden circle members etc. who drove prices through the f***ing roof" lol. Blame everyone but himself. Well now people have the opportunity in Ireland to buy a 2 bedroom newly built apartment for well less than a years average public sector salary !
Guess what ? He's still not happy
http://www.daft.ie/searchnew_development.daft?id=12590

What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?

N.B. I am only too well aware that many people have mortgages from 4 , 6 or 8 years ago. In fact some of my colleagues have multiple mortgages, from holiday homes or investment properties etc. Others have no mortgages.

Good answer.......NOT!:D:D
none of that makes any sense at all:D
P.S. At least you got your catchphrase in!

gigino · 21-03-2011 01:38AM

"What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?"

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Germany
Berlin
http://www.findaproperty.com/searchresults.aspx?edid=09&salerent=0&areaid=4522&bedrooms=02

You are wrong again, Robbie. None of those apartments in your link are 7000 less than the average public sector salary. Either you cannot read or you cannot do sums.

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 01:44AM

gigino wrote: »

"What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?"

You are wrong again, Robbie. None of those apartments in your link are 7000 less than the average public sector salary. Either you cannot read or you cannot do sums.

Germany :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property-for-sale/Germany.html?sortByPriceDescending=false&minBedrooms=2

gigino · 21-03-2011 01:50AM

bryaner wrote: »

Seeing as your back please tell me who funded the bubble?

the bubble in what ? government spending ? That was funded by huge tax receipts from the private sector eg v.a.t. receipts, income tax receipts, c.g.t and c.a.t receipts, stamp duty receipts etc. It allowed government spending to double on our public service from 1999 to 2009. Of course during those years the government got a lot of money ( tens of billions ) from Europe / EC as well, ( structural funds, CAP funds etc ) which circulated around the economy. Government spending got out of control on social welfare etc too. As someone else said its nearly 3 times more in Dundalk than in Newry. What a bubble.

gigino · 21-03-2011 01:53AM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Germany :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/overseas-property-for-sale/Germany.html?sortByPriceDescending=false&minBedrooms=2

One or two old run down secondhand apartments do not count. I am talking about a development of newly built apartments built to government regulations / standards. And do not forget you are supposed to be searching for a new apartment 7000 LESS than the average public sector wage !

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 12:09PM

gigino wrote: »

One or two old run down secondhand apartments do not count. I am talking about a development of newly built apartments built to government regulations / standards. And do not forget you are supposed to be searching for a new apartment 7000 LESS than the average public sector wage !

Im not bothering with you.

Leitrim is not the same as berlin, so lets not even begin to play this silly game.
The reason your apartments are cheap is becasue of their location. They are worthless. Now compare that with oh I dont know a major city like berlin and the link I sent you earlier. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

And as for you wanting it to be exactly 7,000 less, well that really sums up how pathetic yours attempts to insult public servants is getting!

gigino · 21-03-2011 02:17PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Leitrim is not the same as berlin, so lets not even begin to play this silly game.
The reason your apartments are cheap is becasue of their location.

But Public servants in Ireland do live in places such as Leitrim, Donegal, Longford, Sligo, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan etc . Do not insult public servants who live in these places.

www.daft.ie/searchnew_development.daft?id=12590

As I said , what other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for seven thousand less than a years average public sector salary ?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

And as for you wanting it to be exactly 7,000 less, well that really sums up how pathetic yours attempts to insult public servants is getting!

6,500 or 7,500 would do, but you have not come anywhere remotely close to finding a country in the world where a years average public sector pay is 7 grand more than the cost of a 2-bedroom newly built apartment.
I am not insulting public servants : its the government who is running the country / controlling public expenditure....and reform appears to be badly needed for the sake of our childrens and grandchildrens future.

On a positive note, there is great value to be had now for our wages

Its not surprising that public sector wages are so much higher than private sector wages when newly built properties can be got so cheap. As my brother says, if the private sector was not on the ground, then properties would not be so cheap.

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 02:23PM

gigino wrote: »

But Public servants in Ireland do live in places such as Leitrim, Donegal, Longford, Sligo, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan etc . Do not insult public servants who live in these places.

www.daft.ie/searchnew_development.daft?id=12590

As I said , what other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for seven thousand less than a years average public sector salary ?

6,500 or 7,500 would do, but you have not come anywhere remotely close to finding a country in the world where a years average public sector pay is 7 grand more than the cost of a 2-bedroom newly built apartment.
I am not insulting public servants : its the government who is running the country / controlling public expenditure....and reform appears to be badly needed for the sake of our childrens and grandchildrens future.

On a positive note, there is great value to be had now for our wages

i gave you links to home sin germany for those prices, please go back to your wind up merchant drawing board and try again.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
how about britain(that includes such countries as scotland wales and England)? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/scotland/?results_sort=lowest_price&q=scotland&beds_min=2

what about across the border into northern irleand :rolleyes::rolleyes:
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/northern-ireland/?results_sort=lowest_price&q=northern%20ireland

How many Public servants work in Leitrim?

Rabidlamb · 21-03-2011 02:28PM

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/euro1bn-pay-rise-bonanza-for-public-sector-2586377.html

Public sector workers have received more than €1bn in incremental pay increases since Ireland's worst ever recession began in 2007, despite the dire state of the public finances.

Figures released by the Department of Finance show that although the country has had to borrow roughly €20bn a year to run the State since 2008, length-of-service pay increases have continued across all departments, agencies and organisations in the public sector.

According to a new Central Statistics Office report on wages, weekly earnings in the public sector rose from a three-year low of €882 a week in the first quarter of 2010 to €913 in the final quarter. In contrast, in the final quarter of 2010, weekly earnings in the private sector were almost a third lower at €625.

So people are still moving up the grades even though people though the public think a pay freeze is in operation.
I suspect that FG have to be responsible for the releasing of this damaging info so the IMF may come in & do their job for them.

gigino · 21-03-2011 02:37PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

i gave you links to home sin germany for those prices, please go back to your wind up merchant drawing board and try again.
how about britain(that includes such countries as scotland wales and England)?
what about across the border into northern irleand

Can't you read, you links above are old run-down secondhand wrecks of properties, and because they are the very cheapest in the countries you look in, each of those run down delapidated properties probably has a sordid, crime related past !.

Can you not find new developments of complete blocks of newly finished apartments ?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

How many Public servants work in Leitrim?

Tens of thousands of public servants work + live in places like Leitrim, Donegal, Longford, Sligo, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan etc.

Rabidlamb wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/euro1bn-pay-rise-bonanza-for-public-sector-2586377.html

I know. But do not tar us all with the same brush. The government gives us this money irrespective if we deserve it or not, given the state the countries finances are in. I get a slagging from a few close friends who are in the private sector but what can I do, the government decides on public service pay levels. They say the unions decided, I know.

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 02:46PM

gigino wrote: »

Can't you read, you links above are old run-down secondhand wrecks of properties, and because they are the very cheapest in the countries you look in, each of those run dowwn delapidated properties probably has a sordid, crime related past !.

Can you not find new developments of complete blocks of newly finished apartments ? .

Cant i read what?
Your innane ramblings perhaps, sure i can read that!

Can you please back up your claims that these dwelling have a sordid criminal past, the links i provided you with have hundreds of homes in your price range I expect you to provide evidence for all of them. :rolleyes:

In your originall question you asked in what country could you purchase a home for 7,000 less than some figure stated ont hsi thread I have now shown you linsk for germany, england, wales, northern ireland and scotland. You seem to be unable to accept the fact you are wrong here.

gigino wrote: »

Tens of thousands of public servants work + live in places like Leitrim, Donegal, Longford, Sligo, Mayo, Roscommon, Cavan etc.

Tens of thousands you say, based on what estimates?
Are you just going to ignore the facts and use your own made up figures to prove this.
Anyway to borrow from your own line of questioning, can you not read?
I specifically asked about leitrim, how many PS work in leitrim?

Very shortly i will be placing you on ignore as so far you have shown very little reason for me to bother even reading your posts!

sollar · 21-03-2011 03:05PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

So people are still moving up the grades even though people though the public think a pay freeze is in operation.
I suspect that FG have to be responsible for the releasing of this damaging info so the IMF may come in & do their job for them.

A pay freeze is in operation and paycuts have been inplemented. Public Servants do not start at the top of their payscale so they start low and work towards it.

Increments are part of the agreed pay structure and are not pay rises. Daniel McConnell knows this well so i don't know why he is rehashing old news like this as if its something new. He is well enough paid i'm sure perhaps he could use his skills finding new stories...... maybe even exploring the farce that is NAMA and tell us all something new.

gigino · 21-03-2011 04:05PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Cant i read what?

I said a few old run down secondhand apartments do not count. I am talking about a development of newly built apartments built to government regulations / standards. And do not forget you are supposed to be searching for a new apartment € 7000 LESS than the average yearly public sector wage !

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Tens of thousands you say, based on what estimates?

the size of those combined counties, and the fact there are 0.3 of a million public servants ( in round figures ) in the 26 counties.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I specifically asked about leitrim, how many PS work in leitrim?

I have not a clue, and I do not know what they ate for breakfast either. However I would imagine Leitrim has got teachers, Gardai, Co. Council workers, etc etc the same as anywhere else. I would also imagine that some people who live in Leitrim would work in parts of nearby Sligo, Roscommon , etc.
Are you interested in getting a transfer there ? Seeing as property there is so cheap ( e.g new apartments 7g less than a years average p.s. wages ) you could have a great standard of living. You could buy an apartment every year and retire with dozens of apartments

. Lovely Leitrim is lucrative Leitrim for you;)

ixoy · 21-03-2011 04:09PM

sollar wrote: »

Increments are part of the agreed pay structure and are not pay rises.

To anyone outside of this public sector sphere, they'd see that your salary has increased. Now regardless of whether this is part of a structure or not, or meant to supposedly reflect gained experience, it is still an increase in payments to an individual and looks very like a pay increase.
I don't know anyone in the private sector who wouldn't see this as a pay rise (and very few in the private sector have this pay scale notion that is based very little on actual performance).

20Cent · 21-03-2011 04:49PM

ixoy wrote: »

To anyone outside of this public sector sphere, they'd see that your salary has increased. Now regardless of whether this is part of a structure or not, or meant to supposedly reflect gained experience, it is still an increase in payments to an individual and looks very like a pay increase.
I don't know anyone in the private sector who wouldn't see this as a pay rise (and very few in the private sector have this pay scale notion that is based very little on actual performance).

Anywhere I worked in the private sector has pay scales.

SBWife · 21-03-2011 07:43PM

sollar wrote: »

Increments are part of the agreed pay structure and are not pay rises.

How long do you have to work for the government to learn to think like this?
Anywhere else an increase in pay is a pay rise.

sollar · 21-03-2011 07:48PM

SBWife wrote: »

How long do you have to work for the government to learn to think like this?
Anywhere else an increase in pay is a pay rise.

Do you know how increments work?

ixoy · 21-03-2011 07:52PM

sollar wrote: »

Do you know how increments work?

Yes. Your starting salary depends on a number of factors but translates to a certain point in a defined scale. Depending on what point you are in the scale that salary will increase with each year as you move up the scale. This is conditional on certain PMDS performance targets being met but you'd have to be ridiculously bad at your job not to get a 2+ (less than .1% got a 1 in the civil service for example).
Your salary doesn't increase every year, and there is a plateau point at which it won't go up unless the government increases the base or you get promoted. However, on the many levels where it does go up, your salary.. is going up. Increasing. Rising. It's a pay rise.

SBWife · 21-03-2011 07:54PM

Yes - it means getting additional monies for the same work just because you're in the position longer and haven't fecked up royally.

In the real world it's called a pay rise.

RobbieTheRobber · 21-03-2011 08:03PM

gigino wrote: »

I said a few old run down secondhand apartments do not count.

No what you said was "Can't you read, you links above are old run-down secondhand wrecks of properties, and because they are the very cheapest in the countries you look in, each of those run dowwn delapidated properties probably has a sordid, crime related past !. "

:rolleyes::rolleyes: Your doing a bad job when you cant even read the things you typed yourself!

gigino wrote: »

I am talking about a development of newly built apartments built to government regulations / standards. And do not forget you are supposed to be searching for a new apartment € 7000 LESS than the average yearly public sector wage !
.

No you werent, you have moved the goalposts to new developments since you posted this line
"What other country in the world could you buy a fine 2 bedroom apartment for €7,000 less than a years average public sector salary?"

I have shown you a major city in a major continental european contry to prove the fallacies in your original belief.
You have then tried to change your own definition.
I showed you properties in our nearest and most important trading partner.
So I will do no more property huntung for you. your original statement was proven false, soon you will be looking for a new house that has one wall which is pink and all the other yellow and a glass ceiling and etc etc. You were wrong admit it!

gigino wrote: »

the size of those combined counties, and the fact there are 0.3 of a million public servants ( in round figures ) in the 26 counties.

what percentage in Dublin?
What percentage in Cork?

Ten of thousands is still right do you reckon?

gigino wrote: »

I have not a clue, and I do not know what they ate for breakfast either. However I would imagine Leitrim has got teachers, Gardai, Co. Council workers, etc etc the same as anywhere else. I would also imagine that some people who live in Leitrim would work in parts of nearby Sligo, Roscommon , etc.
Are you interested in getting a transfer there ? Seeing as property there is so cheap ( e.g new apartments 7g less than a years average p.s. wages ) you could have a great standard of living. You could buy an apartment every year and retire with dozens of apartments . Lovely Leitrim is lucrative Leitrim for you;)

The above is absolute crap absolute crap, standard of living indeed! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Can you do a google search to understand what standard of living means before returning to this discussion!

SBWife · 21-03-2011 08:13PM

20Cent wrote: »

Anywhere I worked in the private sector has pay scales.

Based on performance, education and experience not on showing up to the same job for a longer time and not making a balls of it.

sollar · 21-03-2011 08:15PM

@ ioxy and SBwife,

I asked the question because many people mistakenly think that increments go on indefinitely. On average you'll get about 10 increments over a typical 40 year ps career. Mainly in the first third.

Vizzy · 21-03-2011 08:24PM

Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector (origional post as per CSO)
"new figures released last week showed that state employees earn one-third more than their private sector counterparts." ( as per yesterdays SINDO)

Which should you believe ??
Neither I would suggest but you can put whatever spin on it that you like.

One thing is sure though the average low paid public servant is not earning 49% more than a comparable person in the private sector.

SBWife · 21-03-2011 08:27PM

sollar wrote: »

@ ioxy and SBwife,

I asked the question because many people mistakenly think that increments go on indefinitely. On average you'll get about 10 increments over a typical 40 year ps career. Mainly in the first third.

In the private sector is normally up or out (unless highly unionised). While a junior staffer might get get an increase or two over their first few years while remaining in the same role with an organisation any further increases will normally be a result of earning a promotion and taking on extra work and responsibilities.

n97 mini · 21-03-2011 08:32PM

People should understand that increments are in addition to Benchmarking, which is a separate system, and there is a third one, Sustaining Progress (I think).

When I worked in the Public Service in 1 year I received an increment, a pay rise under Benchmarking, and the third one which I think was called Sustaining Progress. The three totalled over 9% in one year. I had no performance reviews, at all, ever.

While increments are still paid, Benchmarking is now 0% and I think Sustaining Progress was a series of payments that were "one-offs".

SBWife · 21-03-2011 08:38PM

The whole benchmarking process is what truly gets my back up...it was totally insane.

Gumbo · 21-03-2011 09:05PM

n97 mini wrote: »

People should understand that increments are in addition to Benchmarking, which is a separate system, and there is a third one, Sustaining Progress (I think).

it was a Sustaining Progress Towards 2016 IIRC.
It was crapped in the PS in 2009 and staff didnt get the increases that were promised.

AIB (one company that i know of), paid these Sustaining Progress Towards 2016 payments to their staff in 2009.

ardmacha · 21-03-2011 10:10PM

Based on performance, education and experience not on showing up to the same job for a longer time

Er, what is experience other than being longer in a job?

Its official : public sector pay per hour is 49% higher than private sector

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