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Crash First Officer had a salary of $16,000

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  • #32
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407 there you go, you enjoy that now


  • #33
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Well he posted here that he can "post whatever the fcuk he likes". Go on, warn him....

    His comment was in retaliation to yours. Hence the tone of it.
    The rest of his posts are fine.


  • #34
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Up to yourself mate, you havn't researched it yet you spout ****e about salary not being a factor when officially it was... just gwan out of that!
    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Your post was stupid and void of facts... if you are going to post on something you do not know about, at least do some research

    Can you post the research you've done that says that salary was officially a factor in the crash?


  • #35
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407 there you go, you enjoy that now

    You know more about this than me, so you can save us all time. Where is the reference to the staff's salary?


  • #36
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    You know more about this than me, so you can save us all time. Where is the reference to the staff's salary?

    Federal investigators hammered Colgan Air executives about the pay of their pilots — in Shaw's case, she made between $16,000 and $20,000 a year

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520028,00.html

    This is also in the final NTSB report which I can't find... but I will


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  • #37
    Samba
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    Train wreck of a thread due at platform boards.ie at approximately....now.


  • #38
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    ^^
    Well. That's a fox news report, so I'm convinced.


  • #39
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Federal investigators hammered Colgan Air executives about the pay of their pilots — in Shaw's case, she made between $16,000 and $20,000 a year

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520028,00.html

    This is also in the final NTSB report which I can't find... but I will

    Straining to do some explaining.


  • #40
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    This is also in the final NTSB report which I can't find... but I will

    Here's the entire set of evidence. Happy hunting.
    http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Aviation/DCA09MA027/default.htm


  • #41
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    What does the salary of a pilot matter when thousands of flights throughout the US go without a problem despite being on the same salary? I don't see it as a contributing factor. Since when has salary being linked to competency?
    A lot of people fly for the love of the job. Unfortunately, "love of the job" doesn't pay your wages, and thus you'll have to work elsewhere as well to pay bills. For a job that entails keeping tin can with me in it, in the air, I'd want the pilot and co-pilot to be alert.

    =-=

    Read http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/flyingcheap/etc/script.html from the section that read:
    MILES O'BRIEN: [voice-over] There were other warnings about the safety culture at Colgan in 2008. In this NTSB file, we found a case that alarmed the FAA. It involved the actions of a Colgan captain on a flight out of New York City. The first officer on the flight was Ben Coats. It was Coats's job to calculate the weight limit on the flight, and his calculations showed the plane would be too heavy to fly.

    [on camera] And you say to the captain, "Captain, we're even more overweight than we thought." What did he say?

    BEN COATS, Colgan pilot, 2007-'08: Well, he said, "Well, why don't we just count three of those adults as children."
    ...to the bottom. It shows just how fucked up the airline was. They defended a pilot, who they called a model pilot, who fixed the planes manifesto so that it would appear within the max weight.

    =-=

    From final report: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2010/AAR1001.pdf
    During the previous 14 months, the first officer lived in Phoenix (when hired by the company), then expected to be based in Houston before being sent to Norfolk, Virginia and then at the time of the accident, was based in Newark, New Jersey but lived in Seattle, Washington. Flight crew salaries are also problematic. It is financially challenging for pilots, whether earning $60,000 or $16,000, to regularly relocate their families or hold down multiple residences
    They acknowledge that earning lots or little still means that moving around constantly will not be easy.

    =-=

    So you are earning a small amount, constantly moving house, sometimes having to stay at a "crash pad" (search for reference to them in the first link) as they hadn't enough money to stay in a hotel, never mind having enough money to pay the bills in the house which you do "live" in.

    If you want someone alert, at least pay them enough so that they don't have to double job.


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  • #42
    donkey balls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    A ryanair first officer starts off on about 60e per block hour(flying time) this goes up with the more hours he flies upto 85e after 1500hrs of flying A captain gets about 138e plus extra pay if he instructs the cadets.
    The pay scales in the USA for regional carriers are crap one of the instructers at the school I flew at was one but got laid off due to the recession,And yes it's in around the $20k mark the likes of Aer Arran pay around 30k euro for somone starting off with gradual increases upto about 80k for a captain.
    With pay being so low in the USA alot of these guys will have other jobs to pay off their loans of about 100k euro,It's known that some accidents/incidents are caused by pilot fatigue so yes I would much prefer a professional flight crew to be rested and not have to break there balls doing two jobs because their salary is crap


  • #43
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    the_syco wrote: »
    They acknowledge that earning lots or little still means that moving around constantly will not be easy.
    The report highlights commuting to work (leading to fatigue) as a problem, not pay.

    At the time of the accident both pilots were living in Seattle and commuting to New Jersey for work. That's the other side of the country!!
    the_syco wrote: »
    If you want someone alert, at least pay them enough so that they don't have to double job.
    That's fair enough, but double jobbing wasn't found to be a factor in the crash.


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