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Crash First Officer had a salary of $16,000

  • 16-03-2011 11:47PM
    #1
    bobblepuzzle
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    Colgan Air flight 3407 crashed outside of Buffallo, USA killing around 50 people and two on the ground...

    Both pilots had serious fatigue when the accident happened... the first officer was in fact working part-time in a restaurant to make ends meet. The captain earned a modest $60,000 a year, well below what a captain would earn if working for a major airline...

    $16,000 A YEAR! For someone who has that responsibility... I hope Ryanair is not doing this!


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Colgan Air flight 3407 crashed outside of Buffallo, USA killing around 50 people and two on the ground...

    Both pilots had serious fatigue when the accident happened... the first officer was in fact working part-time in a restaurant to make ends meet. The captain earned a modest $60,000 a year, well below what a captain would earn if work for a major airline...

    $16,000 A YEAR! For someone who has that responsibility... I hope Ryanair is not doing this!

    60k or 16k ? 16 must be a typo, surely...

    linky..?


  • #3
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    Should have moved here and went on the dole.


  • #4
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    60k or 16k ? 16 must be a typo, surely...

    It isn't, 16k


  • #5
    Spore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Spore


    First officer earned 16k, captain 60k


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
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    It has a wiki entry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407


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  • #7
    saywhatyousee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    16k is about right pilots wages in america are a disgrace


  • #8
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Colgan Air flight 3407 crashed outside of Buffallo, USA killing around 50 people and two on the ground...

    Both pilots had serious fatigue when the accident happened... the first officer was in fact working part-time in a restaurant to make ends meet. The captain earned a modest $60,000 a year, well below what a captain would earn if working for a major airline...

    $16,000 A YEAR! For someone who has that responsibility... I hope Ryanair is not doing this!

    To put things in context and take the sensationlism out of it......
    ABC wrote:
    In terms of salaries, here hasn't been a significant shift for pilots hired at regional airlines, reports jetjob.com, which tracks jobs in the aviation industry. The starting pay for these pilots is as low as $18,300 a year.


  • #9
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    It isn't, 16k
    Link?


  • #10
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    To put things in context and take the sensationlism out of it......

    What do you mean... would you like the pilot of your plane to be earning that? That is all the context you need... if you still can't figure it out (proven in the official report) don't post again


  • #11
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    You need people who want the work - not just the 16k

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056204943


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  • #12
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,689 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X48_jWtuOQ


  • #13
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Ryanair

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FO base[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]£21000. All sector pay for direct contract is now taxed - (20 to 30% drop in pay). Brookfield contract is now 55.5 euro/sbh till >500hrs, 70.5/sbh till >1500hrs then 78.5/sbh.[/FONT]

    :eek:


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
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    dvpower wrote: »
    Link?
    A quick google produces this http://www.google.com/search?q=Colgan+Air+flight+3407&rls=com.microsoft:en-ie:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLA_en#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=colgan%20air%20flight%203407&xhr=t&q=Colgan%20Air%20flight%203407%20%2416%2C000&cp=30&qe=Q29sZ2FuIEFpciBmbGlnaHQgMzQwNyAkMTYsMDAw&qesig=kuPMx0QWsWwQiIhT6Agn3A&pkc=AFgZ2tn-edCYuTXA0h5AXo95ooj_VbbeWZjcmRIir2tVyKW_69F8rknJZsG1apOatXzmSNJCOPnS2Botm1exjo4BtTXF5_xAzw&pf=p&sclient=psy&rls=com.microsoft:en-ie%3AIE-ContextMenu&rlz=1I7GGLA_en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=Colgan+Air+flight+3407+%2416,000&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e0d385de12773c20

    It appears to be true, but then again Bus drivers don't get great pay either.


  • #15
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    What do you mean... would you like the pilot of your plane to be earning that? That is all the context you need... if you still can't figure it out (proven in the official report) don't post again

    I'll post whenever the fcuk I want. What does the salary of a pilot matter when thousands of flights throughout the US go without a problem despite being on the same salary? I don't see it as a contributing factor. Since when has salary being linked to competency?


  • #16
    bobblepuzzle
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    m@cc@ wrote: »
    I'll post whenever the fcuk I want. What does the salary of a pilot matter when thousands of flights throughout the US go without a problem despite being on the same salary? I don't see it as a contributing factor. Since when has salary being linked to competency?

    Oh so you are OK with your pilots arguing about wages, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CREW WAS DOING a few minutes before the crash, read the fcuking report then post


  • #17
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Oh so you are OK with your pilots arguing about wages, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS CREW WAS DOING a few minutes before the crash, read the fcuking report then post

    You haven't linked any report, just some banal OP.


  • #18
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It appears to be true, but then again Bus drivers don't get great pay either.
    And they leave me closer to to my house.


  • #19
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    You haven't linked any report, just some banal OP.

    Look mate, seriously, just go to youtube or wikipedia... or do you need me to hold your hand... as I said, come with the facts, DON'T TALK **** when you have no idea what you are talking about!!


  • #20
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Look mate, seriously, just go to youtube or wikipedia... or do you need me to hold your hand... as I said, come with the facts, DON'T TALK **** when you have no idea what you are talking about!!

    If you can't be bothered to have some kind of reference to what your posting about in your OP, that I can't be bothered to research it.

    What I will say, is that a lack of pay does not excuse incompetency? If they paid these people more, would it eradicate the incompetency. From what I've read, they paid a little less than the going rate.


  • #21
    bobblepuzzle
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    m@cc@ wrote: »
    If you can't be bothered to have some kind of reference to what your posting about in your OP, that I can't be bothered to research it.

    What I will say, is that a lack of pay does not excuse incompetency? If they paid these people more, would it eradicate the incompetency. From what I've read, they paid a little less than the going rate.

    Up to yourself mate, you havn't researched it yet you spout ****e about salary not being a factor when officially it was... just gwan out of that!


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  • #22
    Rabies
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    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    What do you mean... would you like the pilot of your plane to be earning that? That is all the context you need... if you still can't figure it out (proven in the official report) don't post again

    I didn't realize we had a new mod in training. AC never sent a memo around.
    Because you still have your training wheels on, can you refrain from telling peope when can/cannot post here.

    Apart from that, gave a nice day and stop bitch fighting with posters or I'll send this thread to The Thunderdome


  • #23
    Senna
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    Pay and ability to do that job are not linked. The harder the job usually the more money they earn. But if people are willing to work for less, private companies will pay less.


  • #24
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Rabies wrote: »
    I didn't realize we had a new mod in training. AC never sent a memo around.
    Because you still have your training wheels on, can you refrain from telling peope when can/cannot post here.

    Apart from that, gave a nice day and stop bitch fighting with posters or I'll send this thread to The Thunderdome

    Well he posted here that he can "post whatever the fcuk he likes". Go on, warn him....


  • #25
    dvpower
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    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Up to yourself mate, you havn't researched it yet you spout ****e about salary not being a factor when officially it was... just gwan out of that!

    Can you link to the NTSB finding on that? I've only read the executive summary and it makes no mention.


  • #26
    Rabies
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    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Well he posted here that he can "post whatever the fcuk he likes". Go on, warn him....

    I only earn $16k a year.
    I can post what I want.


  • #27
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    Rabies wrote: »
    I only earn $16k a year.
    I can post what I want.

    Good man


  • #28
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Well he posted here that he can "post whatever the fcuk he likes". Go on, warn him....

    Just to make it clear, I'll post whatever the fcuk I like, within the realms of the charter. Not to the dictation of whether another poster likes what I post or not.


  • #29
    bobblepuzzle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭bobblepuzzle


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Just to make it clear, I'll post whatever the fcuk I like, within the realms of the charter. Not to the dictation of whether another poster likes what I post or not.

    Your post was stupid and void of facts... if you are going to post on something you do not know about, at least do some research


  • #30
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    bobblepuzzle wrote: »
    Your post was stupid and void of facts... if you are going to post on something you do not know about, at least do some research


    You haven't posted any 'facts' here. Links or GTFO.


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  • #31
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    Since when has salary being linked to competency?

    Is that not the point? are we living in the USSR?


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