[CoD Black Ops] - MegaBitch thread

JustPaddy1 · 16-03-2011 03:06AM

How is it that people with last stand can't shoot you when they're standing up but the second they hit the ground they become a world class marksman!

Balfie · 16-03-2011 03:12AM

JustPaddy1 wrote: »

How is it that people with last stand can't shoot you when they're standing up but the second they hit the ground they become a world class marksman!

One in the chamber marksmen at that, cause it seems that as soon as someone goes into second chance the hit damage on pistols increases by 100 million %

JustPaddy1 · 16-03-2011 03:27AM

With last stand pro you must get a death machine and instant kill.

jimbling · 16-03-2011 09:34AM

Nantastic wrote: »

Hanoi. Domination. Guy in Corner. Ghost. Motion Sensor. FFS!

Postie, hurry up with Homefront.

Try using Hacker. Not only will you not appear on the motion sensor, but you will also see it form a mile away so know the camper is there.

And btw, Homefront is supposed to be an absolutely horrible multi player experience.

Nantastic · 16-03-2011 09:41AM

Love my marathon! But might lash on hacker for a while. Mixed reviews on Homefront but did hear too many bad things about MP. Just getting it for the change of scene!

jimbling · 16-03-2011 09:53AM

Liam O wrote: »

I don't see why people complain about snipers. They were the best they'll ever be in MW2 and even then they were by FAR the most difficult gun to use in the game and the one that took most skill. I have no real problems with the sniper damage in Blops because there is only the AK74u and FAMAS that is as good as any SMG/AR from MW2 so a few hitmarkers when you hit the arm/leg isn't that big a deal.

Well obviously this is how you will see it, as you were a quickscoper. Each to their own, but I dislike it being that easy in the game. It should be hard. It should be WAAAY harder to run and gun with a sniper than with any other weapon in the game.

Liam O wrote: »

If there was no youtube videos (mostly when a guy is either winning/losing by loads) of sniping then nobody would have had a problem with it IMO.

Well that's just not true. And although anecdotal, I stand as proof. I didn't even know of the existence of youtube gamers until towards the very end of my MW2 experience.
And yet, QuckScopers were one of the things that annoyed me most about the game.

jimbling · 16-03-2011 09:59AM

Nantastic wrote: »

Love my marathon! But might lash on hacker for a while. Mixed reviews on Homefront but did hear too many bad things about MP. Just getting it for the change of scene!

ha, I know... If you're used to Marathon it can be one of the hardest things to give up. But really, it only requires a little change in gamestyle. Also, not having marathon might help you stop dying from Campers. It slows you down a bit.

I never use hacker myself, I love Tac Mask Pro, so that's what's on my non-marathon classes.

KERSPLAT! · 16-03-2011 10:45AM

jimbling wrote: »

ha, I know... If you're used to Marathon it can be one of the hardest things to give up. But really, it only requires a little change in gamestyle. Also, not having marathon might help you stop dying from Campers. It slows you down a bit.

I never use hacker myself, I love Tac Mask Pro, so that's what's on my non-marathon classes.

This!

I think it was Seamus who was talking about this the other night. Apparently gamers sprint alot more than they should and die needlessly as a result as it takes longer to stop/slow down and ADS than if just walking around.

Nantastic · 16-03-2011 11:18AM

Slower pace it is then. Slapping on hacker when I go home! Cheers folks!

Magill · 16-03-2011 11:49AM

IPAM wrote: »

This!

I think it was Seamus who was talking about this the other night. Apparently gamers sprint alot more than they should and die needlessly as a result as it takes longer to stop/slow down and ADS than if just walking around.

Stupid players sprint when they shouldn't, marthon is great for flanking/defending flags/getting back from into action when you spawn. Easily the best perk in slot 3 imo, hacker is only worth using if you havent got flak jacket on.. and anyone that actually likes to cap flags/plant bombs is a noob if they dont have flak jacket on imo

Nothing else in the 3rd tier is worth considering.

Sprinting around corners etc is stupid obviously

hypermuse · 16-03-2011 11:58AM

IPAM wrote: »

This!

I think it was Seamus who was talking about this the other night. Apparently gamers sprint alot more than they should and die needlessly as a result as it takes longer to stop/slow down and ADS than if just walking around.

this is a fair point but on the flipside, it also makes you a much easier target to hit!!

I just love my marathon. I dont have the patience to run/walk/run/walk/run/walk

Hacker is great thou!

KERSPLAT! · 16-03-2011 12:08PM

hypermuse wrote: »

this is a fair point but on the flipside, it also makes you a much easier target to hit!!

I just love my marathon. I dont have the patience to run/walk/run/walk/run/walk

Hacker is great thou!

I try keep clsoe to walls and out of open spaces but if entering open space I sprint, dive, kill 8 people get a blackbird and rape!! nah I just sprint n hope I dont get shot :pac:

jimbling · 16-03-2011 12:30PM

Magill wrote: »

Stupid players sprint when they shouldn't, marthon is great for flanking/defending flags/getting back from into action when you spawn. Easily the best perk in slot 3 imo, hacker is only worth using if you havent got flak jacket on.. and anyone that actually likes to cap flags/plant bombs is a noob if they dont have flak jacket on imo

Nothing else in the 3rd tier is worth considering.

:eek:, serious overstatement there.....
Firstly, not everyone does or can play the same game style. And running and gunning doesn't suit everyone.

Tactical Mask Pro is a fantastic perk when Capping/Defending the B flag. Domination is all about the B flag really. And majority of maps are small enough that getting back to B isn't much of an issue without marathon.

btw, I still do use Marathon a lot as well....don't get me wrong.... its still my favourite tier 3 perk.... but to say that Tac Mask Pro is not worth considering is a bit much.

Also, on another note... although I think Flak Jacket is the best perk in the game, you can play a gamestyle where you dont need it. I posted in Sunshine & Lollipops about a game I had yesterday. 11 Captures, 9 defends and I wasn't using Flak Jacket.
We were way behind so needed 3 flags most of the time. I continuously captured A and C by using Ghost Pro/marathon. I defended B while moving between them. A and C will not receive the bombardment of explosions that B will.

gimli2112 · 16-03-2011 01:13PM

Marathon Pro is my favourite 3rd tier perk. The others are more situational whereas you can use Marathon always.
Tac Mask pro as well but the others I very rarely use.
Don't get the love for hacker pro

JustPaddy1 · 16-03-2011 01:23PM

minidazzler wrote: »

This can't be about xJawz giveaway? That guy spent LOADS

Got really annoyed playing Dom tonight in Pub matches! :mad: Why does noone play the objectives? I had a negative k/d, like really badly negative, but still came out 2nd in scores a few times because I seemed to be the only one attempting to win.

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

Screw xJawz, not a fan of him at all.

Nuri Sahin · 16-03-2011 01:44PM

Magill wrote: »

Stupid players sprint when they shouldn't, marthon is great for flanking/defending flags/getting back from into action when you spawn. Easily the best perk in slot 3 imo, hacker is only worth using if you havent got flak jacket on.. and anyone that actually likes to cap flags/plant bombs is a noob if they dont have flak jacket on imo

Nothing else in the 3rd tier is worth considering.

Sprinting around corners etc is stupid obviously

Well frankly that's a load of... IMO obviously

My most used set up is a mix of Hardline/Scavenger, SOH and Marathon/Hacker/Ninja. I do just dandy when playing the objective. I'm by no means perfect but for the most part I can produce the objective gameplay with K/D without the need for the apparently invaluable Flak Jacket. Everyone is different of course. Seems your just over dependent on it. Nowt wrong with that for the fact it isn't ghost

Magill · 16-03-2011 02:00PM

jimbling wrote: »

:eek:, serious overstatement there.....
Firstly, not everyone does or can play the same game style. And running and gunning doesn't suit everyone.

Tactical Mask Pro is a fantastic perk when Capping/Defending the B flag. Domination is all about the B flag really. And majority of maps are small enough that getting back to B isn't much of an issue without marathon.

btw, I still do use Marathon a lot as well....don't get me wrong.... its still my favourite tier 3 perk.... but to say that Tac Mask Pro is not worth considering is a bit much.

For me its not much of a choice, i should have said "Imo the rest aren't worth considering."

The only map that you can really get back b from spawn without the stop/start of non-marathon would be firing range and nuketown.. maybe havana but even then if they're behind the car your ****ed. Demolition diffo favors marathon, especially when attacking. CTF, you'd be silly not to use marathon. SnD.. not so much. TDM again favors marathon imo because of how the spawns are continously flipping, but not as important as it is in dom/dem/ctf. Also, tac mask **** without the pro version and since most people are still presteging then you'll get alot more out of marathon.

To suggest they're worthless is probably a bit much, but in general marathon is the best 3rd tier perk imo.

Also, on another note... although I think Flak Jacket is the best perk in the game, you can play a gamestyle where you dont need it. I posted in Sunshine & Lollipops about a game I had yesterday. 11 Captures, 9 defends and I wasn't using Flak Jacket.
We were way behind so needed 3 flags most of the time. I continuously captured A and C by using Ghost Pro/marathon. I defended B while moving between them. A and C will not receive the bombardment of explosions that B will.

You can play a gamestyle with any perk, but flak jacket is THE objective players perk, i'd say you'd have done just as good with flak jacket as you did with ghost pro.. unless you were getting slammed by airsupport.

Magill · 16-03-2011 02:15PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Well frankly that's a load of... IMO obviously

My most used set up is a mix of Hardline/Scavenger, SOH and Marathon/Hacker/Ninja. I do just dandy when playing the objective. I'm by no means perfect but for the most part I can produce the objective gameplay with K/D without the need for the apparently invaluable Flak Jacket. Everyone is different of course. Seems your just over dependent on it. Nowt wrong with that for the fact it isn't ghost

Im not over dependent on it, im just stating facts. I'd do just as good as you with whatever setup your using, but since i play on my own alot more than you would i end up capping flags by myself ALOT.. without flak jacket... its that much harder.

Hardline isnt something that is going to help your team out when playing dom/dem nearly as much as flak jacket, keeping UAV/CUAV up for entire games is easy without it. Scavenger... i pick up enemy weapons alot so really its a pointless choice unless i really want to get high killstreaks. Hacker loses most of its value if using flak jacket. so really... you're getting 2 perks in one. Ninja isn't half the perk it was in MW2, the only gamemode i use it on is SnD, theres no real need unless you're sitting in a corner sound whoring.

For me, unless i have no need to play the objective and just let everyone else do that. Flakjacket/SoH/Marathon is the best perk setup in the game.

thefa · 16-03-2011 02:16PM

Goods points magill. Hackers pretty useful for giving away campers on certain maps and also avoiding cheap deaths to claymores/ people waiting for you using motion sensor. Just to note, I dont use flak jacket much and while I like my perks to compliment each other, I dont really want it to dictate another choice. Hackers very useful in Search I find. Messing with enemy crates is fun too. Maybe its the quality of opposition but I haven't found tactical mask pro that useful yet but against a good team in search, I can imagine it saving myself a fair few death.

Magill · 16-03-2011 02:20PM

thefa wrote: »

Goods points magill. Hackers pretty useful for giving away campers on certain maps and also avoiding cheap deaths to claymores/ people waiting for you using motion sensor. Just to note, I dont use flak jacket much and while I like my perks to compliment each other, I dont really want it to dictate another choice. Hackers very useful in Search I find. Messing with enemy crates is fun too. Maybe its the quality of opposition but I haven't found tactical mask pro that useful yet but against a good team in search, I can imagine it saving myself a fair few death.

Search is sort of the exception to the rule i think, its a much slower paced mode so taking your time is essiential and marathon would only be useful for getting into a good starting position. So either hacker or ninja would be what i'd go for.

BACK IN 10 minutes !! Keep this discussion going !! Got another hour or so to kill.

Leeg17 · 16-03-2011 03:13PM

You wanted a discussion, now you have one

thefa · 16-03-2011 03:22PM

Magill wrote: »

Search is sort of the exception to the rule i think, its a much slower paced mode so taking your time is essiential and marathon would only be useful for getting into a good starting position. So either hacker or ninja would be what i'd go for.

BACK IN 10 minutes !! Keep this discussion going !! Got another hour or so to kill.

Ya have used marathon on search to get those first blood kills out of the way quickly cos theres an opportunity every round. Maps like launch and grid, just straight up through the middle gives good potential for a quick kill or two as some are just strolling to some spot thinking theres no threat yet but also can leave ya as vulnerable as hell if none of the rest of the team is rushing.

Magill · 16-03-2011 03:23PM

Leeg17 wrote: »

You wanted a discussion, now you have one

sex ?

Kells... · 16-03-2011 03:29PM

I usually use ninja for perk 3

Nuri Sahin · 16-03-2011 03:32PM

Sorry, sorting out the bets for tonight :pac:

Magill wrote: »

Im not over dependent on it, im just stating facts. I'd do just as good as you with whatever setup your using, but since i play on my own alot more than you would i end up capping flags by myself ALOT.. without flak jacket... its that much harder.

Hardline isnt something that is going to help your team out when playing dom/dem nearly as much as flak jacket, keeping UAV/CUAV up for entire games is easy without it. Scavenger... i pick up enemy weapons alot so really its a pointless choice unless i really want to get high killstreaks. Hacker loses most of its value if using flak jacket. so really... you're getting 2 perks in one. Ninja isn't half the perk it was in MW2, the only gamemode i use it on is SnD, theres no real need unless you're sitting in a corner sound whoring.

For me, unless i have no need to play the objective and just let everyone else do that. Flakjacket/SoH/Marathon is the best perk setup in the game.

I know how you perform Mags, that isn't an issue in the slightest. I just don't think Flak Jacket is a must for the vast majority of games which as you well know, is against headless chickens. Against good players, be it a few clan in pubs or competitive gaming I fully get the need for it since people are more aware of the nade spots and are just generally better. In CTF, I'd use Flak Jacket a good bit if I'm attacking. Capping B in Dom at the beginning I'll occasionally use it. Demolition likewise at times. But as I said before, besides a few lads here who are bees to honey when it comes to capping flags + HQ's, planting and defusing bombs. I still do my fair share of objective work and rake in the kills as you've seen which was my main point all without having to use Flak Jacket that much. I'm sure teammates will appreciate a constant stream of UAV's and SR71's, afterall it's another win chalked up far more often than not.

Hardline, in certain game modes. Every second counts and the more UAV up the better for the team IMO.

I run 3-4-8 killstreaks primarily, I reckon that is my set up for 90% of matches these days with the odd dabble with the napalm and sentry on Dom/Dem depending on the team. Honestly, anything above 8 killstreaks I've used at max.

Scavenger, I use because I run a PM63, Mac or whatever unpopular guns and I really enjoy using them so it's a nessicity. Wouldn't use it on something like the Famas or 74u.

Ninja (Pro) is handy for SnD indeed.

16-03-2011 04:24PM

jimbling wrote: »

Well obviously this is how you will see it, as you were a quickscoper. Each to their own, but I dislike it being that easy in the game. It should be hard. It should be WAAAY harder to run and gun with a sniper than with any other weapon in the game.

Well that's just not true. And although anecdotal, I stand as proof. I didn't even know of the existence of youtube gamers until towards the very end of my MW2 experience.
And yet, QuckScopers were one of the things that annoyed me most about the game.

But you see while I QSed a bit for fun with friends in a private game sometimes, QSing was normally just a last resort for me as I was never consistent with it. I have one friend who was better than anyone I've played with at it and he would still normally take 3 or 4 shots to hit a guy with it. There was no complaints about QSing in WAW and COD4 so what made it different just because you aimed in a bit faster? Why not just change it back to what it was before when it was hard to do?

Pulling the 'this should be like this cause that's how it is in real life' is silly because in RL a .50 cal bullet will take an arm/leg off, not leave a guy still able to run. For snipers to be in anyway useful they have to aim straight in because an AR or SMG can kill you in the time it takes to aim in. I hate the 'it's only kids who QS' too because it simply wasn't. How many people on Machinima are kids? I was perfectly fine in WAW and COD4 and there was no reason to change it because people who only started playing at MW2 had a problem with it tbh.

Creasy_bear · 17-03-2011 02:10PM

I don't know whats gone wrong with this game. For the past two days everyone single match I go into it's 5v6 or 4v6. Never 6v6

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krudler · 18-03-2011 12:50AM

AGB_Ghost wrote: »

Flashbangs + Concussions last way to long.

there should be a way to shorten the disorientation, like shaking your head from side to side, even a second or two would do it, instead of just going prone behind something and hoping nobody spots you.

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