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Is having a different view other then the ''norm'' possible without being banned??

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  • #122
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    So you cannot be offended by a statement targetted at your sister that, by virtue of her gender, she is inferior to men and should therefore subject herself to any man?

    But you can be offended by a statement targetted at your sister that she is ugly?



    Is that your position?

    yes you are correct


  • #123
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    If you are against insinscere, mawkish, sentimentality, and automatic assumptions that you should share certain views, then I am on your side on that score and it doesn't make you any less human.

    But maybe you should reflect on the fact that people react to things in different ways. This event is a biggie, and some of the scenes that were shown on television that were live have not been shown again because they were so traumatic.

    Fair enough i can agree with that.

    I go back to the name of this thread is having a different view to the norm possible.

    Do you think its ok for example if you posted something you felt was right on here and you felt was not causing offense to anyone directly and dozens of people hopped on you for it??

    And because of this and because you would have a popular member of the boards reply with something heartfelt and sugar filled in response to your post that was tanked and continued by most you would be told NO YOUR NOT ALOUD HAVE THAT VIEW ITS WRONG!!

    Is that right??


  • #124
    JimiWonderDoor 92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 271 ✭✭JimiWonderDoor 92


    Was listening to TalkSport and it was the only outlet where I heard anyone say what most of us are thinking. Yes its a tragedy and we'd rather it didnt happen but we will sleep well anyway.

    Another point raised is that despite it being so destructive,there is something compulsive about watching this awesome force of nature.
    Seeing strems of cars being dragged along like fish in a river or buildings collapsing like a river-bank is something you dont see everyday.
    The whole Nuclear Fallout projection also makes for an interesting and disturbing story.

    There is nothing wrong for not feeling for it if you cant relate to it, you can not force yourself into a sense of Faux outrage (which I have heard a lot of today)
    No one is happy with what happened but as for having a different of view.., there is no point bumping what is effectively an obituary thread because these are mostly people who Do care.


  • #125
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    yes you are correct

    And you dont see the inherent flaw in being entitled to, on the one hand, be offended when your sister is called ugly but, on the other, not being entitled to be offended when she is told she must subjugate herself totally to a man (ie. must sexually submit to a man, must show deference to a man at work etc..) because of her gender?


  • #126
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    Is that right??

    Well, the world is not fair. However, given that you've made your point, heard everyone else's (which I imagine is pretty much what you would have expected) and have not been banned, it's not such a bad result, really...is it?


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  • #127
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    And you dont see the inherent flaw in being entitled to, on the one hand, be offended when your sister is called ugly but, on the other, not being entitled to be offended when she is told she must subjugate herself totally to a man (ie. must sexually submit to a man, must show deference to a man at work etc..) because of her gender?

    No I dont, also I do believe thats what women should do , but thats another view for another day...


  • #128
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    JimiWonderDoor 92 wrote: »
    Was listening to TalkSport and it was the only outlet where I heard anyone say what most of us are thinking. Yes its a tragedy and we'd rather it didnt happen but we will sleep well anyway.

    Another point raised is that despite it being so destructive,there is something compulsive about watching this awesome force of nature.
    Seeing strems of cars being dragged along like fish in a river or buildings collapsing like a river-bank is something you dont see everyday.
    The whole Nuclear Fallout projection also makes for an interesting and disturbing story.

    There is nothing wrong for not feeling for it if you cant relate to it, you can not force yourself into a sense of Faux outrage (which I have heard a lot of today)
    No one is happy with what happened but as for having a different of view.., there is no point bumping what is effectively an obituary thread because these are mostly people who Do care.

    Again ya id agree with alot of what you said but its how people show how they care is what matters to me.

    I think its nice when you say for example make it short and sweat

    ''It was awful what happennd to Japan and its people hopefully they can move on from this and nothing worse adds to it''

    Now didnt that sound so much more sincere then for example.

    ''OMG i have been sitting here crying my eyes out watching the awful tradegy that has happend to Japan and its people. My heart goes out to every single person from Japan and the Japanese people of Ireland. How awful it must be for them watching the news i feel there pain''

    Bla bla bla :)


  • #129
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    drkpower wrote:
    And you dont see the inherent flaw in being entitled to, on the one hand, be offended when your sister is called ugly but, on the other, not being entitled to be offended when she is told she must subjugate herself totally to a man (ie. must sexually submit to a man, must show deference to a man at work etc..) because of her gender? ,
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No I dont,
    This children, is a good example of where someone attempts to defend an ill-thought out position, and then when questioned on it, his pride wont let him admit that he just got it wrong, plain & simple, to the point that he continues to adopt an utterly moronic position.

    Lesson learned.


  • #130
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Well, the world is not fair. However, given that you've made your point, heard everyone else's (which I imagine is pretty much what you would have expected) and have not been banned, it's not such a bad result, really...is it?

    If i had of been banned for what ive said in here id be very worried lol

    The banning part of it really what i meant is i have seen situations where one person didnt agree with the gang and was made an example of.

    I taught to my self so i wonder if its possible on here to be able to stand your ground and have your own strong and maybe not sensitive views on subjects.


  • #131
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No I dont, also I do believe thats what women should do , but thats another view for another day...

    Can you PM me your reason for that? Genuinely curious and don't want to start anything here.


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  • #132
    Donkey Oaty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭Donkey Oaty


    Well, boards.ie has its own culture and does not represent the world at large - but then again, where does?

    I'm outta here...g'night all.


  • #133
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    This children, is a good example of where someone attempts to defend an ill-thought out position, and then when questioned on it, his pride wont let him admit that he just got it wrong, plain & simple, to the point that he continues to adopt an utterly moronic position.

    Lesson learned.

    not really, in your argument Im entitled to defend my sister personally when something about her and only her is used as an insult, when its an insult about a group of people my sister happens to belong to its not my position to defend it and I can not be offended by it , If somebody comes up to me and says "women are sluts" I dont respond with "hey, my sisters not a slut" its not my job to oppose stereotypes that have nothing to do with me


  • #134
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    liah wrote: »
    Can you PM me your reason for that? Genuinely curious and don't want to start anything here.

    you have PMs turned off


  • #135
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    not really, in your argument Im entitled to defend my sister personally when something about her and only her is used as an insult, when its an insult about a group of people my sister happens to belong to its not my position to defend it and I can not be offended by it , If somebody comes up to me and says "women are sluts" I dont respond with "hey, my sisters not a slut" its not my job to oppose stereotypes that have nothing to do with me
    What does her being ugly have to with you?

    Or at least why does her being called ugly exercise your right to be offended more than the assertion that she must be forced to sexuallly submit to any man who wants her sexuallly?


  • #136
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    They're on now.


  • #137
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    you have PMs turned off

    interested myself, copy me on that pm


  • #138
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    What does her being ugly have to with you?

    Or at least why does her being called ugly exercise your right to be offended more than the assertion that she must be forced to sexuallly submit to any man who wants her sexuallly?

    because her being called ugly is a personal attack on a member of my family

    the 2nd bit is a little confusing - if you said "all women should sexyally submit to any men that want them" then I am not entitled to defend that as that would mean your attacking all women, not a group I have to defend

    but if you said "your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her" then thats a personal attack and I will defend that


  • #139
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    because her being called ugly is a personal attack on a member of my family

    the 2nd bit is a little confusing - if you said "all women should sexyally submit to any men that want them" then I am not entitled to defend that as that would mean your attacking all women, not a group I have to defend

    but if you said "your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her" then thats a personal attack and I will defend that

    Lol!

    So:
    Insult 1 - your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her because i think so/for no reason/because God told me
    Insult 2 - your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her becasue she is a woman.

    Insult 1 is objectionable; Insult 2 is not.

    You realise how ridiculous that position is, dont you? :D


  • #140
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    liah wrote: »
    They're on now.

    still off :(
    drkpower wrote: »
    Lol!

    So:
    Insult 1 - your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her because i think so/for no reason/because God told me
    Insult 2 - your sister should sexually submit to any man who wants her becasue she is a woman.

    Insult 1 is objectionable; Insult 2 is not.

    You realise how ridiculous that position is, dont you? :D

    no , both of those are wrong because you mentioned my sister, therefore you have targeted it


  • #141
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    no , both of those are wrong because you mentioned my sister, therefore you have targeted it

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by drkpower
    And you dont see the inherent flaw in being entitled to, on the one hand, be offended when your sister is called ugly but, on the other, not being entitled to be offended when she is told she must subjugate herself totally to a man (ie. must sexually submit to a man, must show deference to a man at work etc..) because of her gender? ,

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eric Cartman viewpost.gif
    No I dont,


    I mentioned your sister in this exchange.....:confused:

    You are getting desperate now!:D


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  • #142
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by drkpower
    And you dont see the inherent flaw in being entitled to, on the one hand, be offended when your sister is called ugly but, on the other, not being entitled to be offended when she is told she must subjugate herself totally to a man (ie. must sexually submit to a man, must show deference to a man at work etc..) because of her gender? ,

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Eric Cartman viewpost.gif
    No I dont,


    I mentioned your sister in this exchange.....:confused:

    You are getting desperate now!:D

    not really mate, ive kept the same position all along, at my end it makes sense, just whatever way im typing it doesnt make sense to you


  • #143
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    not really mate, ive kept the same position all along, at my end it makes sense, just whatever way im typing it doesnt make sense to you
    Anyone reading it can understand the obvious contradiction.

    Ive given you plenty of oportunity ti explain yourself, but you havent thus far.

    Wanna try again? Take your time:rolleyes:


  • #144
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    K, should be able to now.


  • #145
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    So, first you make a thread that doesn't make sense, then you start putting words into my mouth?

    Somehow, i'm not surprised the Japanese disaster doesn't register with you........... i'm guessing not much does!

    You don't understand his point so you rather insult him? :rolleyes:
    cml387 wrote: »
    Boards is not real life.
    If one had to sign one's name and address and attach a photograph with each post things would be a lot different.

    Eh, it's pretty real... it's just anonymos


  • #146
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    Anyone reading it can understand the obvious contradiction.

    Ive given you plenty of oportunity ti explain yourself, but you havent thus far.

    Wanna try again? Take your time:rolleyes:

    right here we go , nice and slowly

    any insults which mention by name or reference myself or a specific member of my family or friends, or my family as a whole are not ok

    insults which are against my gender, race, religion or beliefs are not ok

    insults against other races/genders/religions/beliefs without a single person in my family/friends being mentioned or referenced personally are not my job to defend and thus I cannot be offended by them


  • #147
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    right here we go , nice and slowly

    any insults which mention by name or reference myself or a specific member of my family or friends, or my family as a whole are not ok

    insults which are against my gender, race, religion or beliefs are not ok

    insults against other races/genders/religions/beliefs without a single person in my family/friends being mentioned or referenced personally are not my job to defend and thus I cannot be offended by them

    If u base it by what you said in the above right now unless i could think of a set back there i dont see any problems with that.


  • #148
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    right here we go , nice and slowly

    any insults which mention by name or reference myself or a specific member of my family or friends, or my family as a whole are not ok

    insults which are against my gender, race, religion or beliefs are not ok

    insults against other races/genders/religions/beliefs without a single person in my family/friends being mentioned or referenced personally are not my job to defend and thus I cannot be offended by them

    Ok, so if someone insults your black friend, by saying that HE is inferior because he is black, you can be offended, right?

    And if someone insults your sister, by saying that SHE is inferior because she is a woman, you can be offended, right?

    Now first, this is in direct contradiction to the position you took earlier in the thread. But I'll let that go. I think your inconsistency has been demonstrated enough.

    Now, second, if i have no sister, or no black friend, but believe strongly that neither should be discriminated against, why can I not be offended?


  • #149
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    drkpower wrote: »
    Ok, so if someone insults your black friend, by saying that HE is inferior because he is black, you can be offended, right?

    And if someone insults your sister, by saying that SHE is inferior because she is a woman, you can be offended, right?
    you can defend it because its a personal attack, but theres only so far you can go with it , its a really tough one, id probably leave it at 'dont talk about my mate/sister' but thats me
    Now first, this is in direct contradiction to the position you took earlier in the thread. But I'll let that go. I think your inconsistency has been demonstrated enough.

    Now, second, if i have no sister, or no black friend, but believe strongly that neither should be discriminated against, why can I not be offended?
    why should you be offended, it has 0 impact on you, thats just getting yourself angry for absolutely no reason


  • #150
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Such a shltt thread.. OP, that thread is huge and I myself have read every single post in it.. The people who have contributed to the thread don't want to see it be reduced to dark humor.

    There's a stickied thread on 4chan.. Doesn't happen often. But that's where to go if you have no compassion for the people caught in the disaster. boards.ie isn't the only corner of the internet.


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  • #151
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    why should you be offended, it has 0 impact on you, thats just getting yourself angry for absolutely no reason
    Does the subjugation of women have nothing to do with me (or you)?

    Does the discrimination of black people have nothing to do with me (or you)?

    Can you see any difficulties that arise when people of one race or gender feel that the subjugation of others have nothing to do with them?


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