Is having a different view other then the ''norm'' possible without being banned??

How Soon Is Now

Now let me first say im not trying cause **** just point of view here. If anything out of hand is said or done lock the thread.

Best example i can give now would be the big thread we have in AH s on the Japanese earthquake.

What has happened is awful and alot of people have lost family friends and important parts of there lifes due to this i understand this and i respect this as ive been saying it in my prays last few nights that i hope nothing worse comes out of this and that everyone can move on with there lives.

But without being ignorant and joking on other peoples suffering are we aloud break away from the group and maybe not care as much??

Personally how i feel about this whole incident is that yes its awful the world would of been better place if it had not happened but end of the day its just news to me i can switch it off and thats that im interested in learning about it thats it after that i dont really care.

But you have your group of people who will bash me for this yet they have not been affected by this none there family or friends live in Japan and im a bad person with no sense or compassion just cause i dont cry threw my posts for the people of Japan threw an internet forum??

So my point is unless we follow the brigade of do good people in situations like this is it as simple as shut up and dont have an othersiders view or get banned??

galwayrush

Read the charter. It's no problem having a difference in opinion, it's the way you say it.;)

Eve_Dublin

If you've nothing nice to say in relation to other people's tragedy then I don't understand why you'd say anything at all. If you don't care, say nothing.

Some things just shouldn't be joked about and particularly while it's still going on.

How Soon Is Now

Its not even about jokes though i mean im not saying we should be aloud joke about something as serious as this in the thread devoted to it.

MrStuffins

Why would you not care enough to switch it off on the news, but care enough to partake in a discussion about it on the internet?

How Soon Is Now

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why would you not care enough to switch it off on the news, but care enough to partake in a discussion about it on the internet?

I have not posted once in the thread about it ive just being reading it thats all.

This thread was just using this topic as its fresh in peoples minds. It was just an example.

Schism

Significant lack of empathy.

You don't have to give a **** but it'd be advisable to keep it to yourself. I'm no do gooder as you say but damn, what happened in Japan is awful and if people slam you for not caring even a little then you deserve it.

phasers

I don't really understand your point. If you don't care why bother posting?

How Soon Is Now

phasers wrote: »

I don't really understand your point. If you don't care why bother posting?

Because i dont care as much as some people does not mean i dont fully give a ****.

I just dont take it as seriously as others do. It was a horrible thing but personally to me its just news its not that serious to me. Yes maybe to others who are linked to it but im not and most people on this site and this country are not either.

MrStuffins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I have not posted once in the thread about it ive just being reading it thats all.

This thread was just using this topic as its fresh in peoples minds. It was just an example.

Your example makes as much sense as the thread to be honest!

Eve_Dublin

I don't get your point...what are you on about? Did you comment in the thread or not? If not, what posts are you talking about?

How Soon Is Now

MrStuffins wrote: »

Your example makes as much sense as the thread to be honest!

The thread makes perfect sense you just dont agree with me so to you im talking ****e.

If i made a thread about how we should all agree that the Irish government where fools you would be fine with that wouldnt u? Because more then likely you agree.

Theres bound to be people who see what im saying i know cause ive seen most the posts in that other thread i mentioned.

How Soon Is Now

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I don't get your point...what are you on about? Did you comment in the thread or not? If not, what posts are you talking about?

Im only using that topic and thread as an example to get my point across.

Because everyone is talking about it.

My point was if you have a view on something that more then half the group wont agree with are u aloud say it.

hondasam

angerfist2009 wrote: »

The thread makes perfect sense you just dont agree with me so to you im talking ****e.

If i made a thread about how we should all agree that the Irish government where fools you would be fine with that wouldnt u? Because more then likely you agree.

Theres bound to be people who see what im saying i know cause ive seen most the posts in that other thread i mentioned.

are you trying to say people agree with the thread only because the have to or the will be banned ?

stupidusername

I get what you're saying OP. unfortunately on boards and probably other internet forums, and indeed with many groups of people in real life, an alternative point of view just isn't acceptable. I understand that what's happening in Japan is terrible, and in terms of keeping myself informed I do it because of the nuclear plants there, not really for anything else.

Funnily enough, as once mentioned in a south park episode, there is some sort of time period that must pass before a tragedy can be joked about, and when that time comes many many posters will join in. until then it's just not deemed acceptable to not take it seriously.

MrStuffins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

The thread makes perfect sense you just dont agree with me so to you im talking ****e.

So, first you make a thread that doesn't make sense, then you start putting words into my mouth?

Somehow, i'm not surprised the Japanese disaster doesn't register with you........... i'm guessing not much does!

How Soon Is Now

hondasam wrote: »

are you trying to say people agree with the thread only because the have to or the will be banned ?

No i think most people say what they say cause thats how they feel.

Like what i say is how i feel.

How Soon Is Now

MrStuffins wrote: »

So, first you make a thread that doesn't make sense, then you start putting words into my mouth?

Somehow, i'm not surprised the Japanese disaster doesn't register with you........... i'm guessing not much does!

Other people where able to see what my point was if you could not then thats your problem. Just cause you dont get what i am saying does not make me stupid.

Dudess

Yes. You won't get "banned". Seriously, that term is used incorrectly all the time.
When has anyone ever been banned for saying "It is a terrible tragedy but tbh it doesn't affect me that much personally"? People say stuff like that all the time. There isn't any point in saying it I suppose, but otherwise, it's hardly offensive.

MrStuffins

stupidusername wrote: »

Funnily enough, as once mentioned in a south park episode, there is some sort of time period that must pass before a tragedy can be joked about, and when that time comes many many posters will join in. until then it's just not deemed acceptable to not take it seriously.

The reason people aren't allowed to joke is because many many people in the thread and reading the thread could have friends, family etc over there. At the time they were worried and trying to get through to their loved ones or hoping to hear everything was ok.

It would be like someone starting a thread saying their family might've just died in an accident and someone coming along and joking about it. it's not very nice now is it?

How Soon Is Now

stupidusername wrote: »

I get what you're saying OP. unfortunately on boards and probably other internet forums, and indeed with many groups of people in real life, an alternative point of view just isn't acceptable. I understand that what's happening in Japan is terrible, and in terms of keeping myself informed I do it because of the nuclear plants there, not really for anything else.

Funnily enough, as once mentioned in a south park episode, there is some sort of time period that must pass before a tragedy can be joked about, and when that time comes many many posters will join in. until then it's just not deemed acceptable to not take it seriously.

Thank you like i said i wasnt trying to cause **** but what the above post says is pretty much what i was getting at to a certain degree.

hondasam

angerfist2009 wrote: »

No i think most people say what they say cause thats how they feel.

Like what i say is how i feel.

I think some people post what others want to hear and it might not necessarily be the same as the would say in private. I generally stay away from those controversial threads.

MrStuffins

OP, the news didn't effect you, so you didn't post in the thread! Well done!

There is no problem!

How Soon Is Now

hondasam wrote: »

I think some people post what others want to hear and it might not necessarily be the same as the would say in private. I generally stay away from those controversial threads.

Well i know you dont have freedom to say what you like on here otherwise this site would of not lasted very long.

But within reason ive seen people get banned for very little in threads on this site just cause alot of others did not think it was the right thing to say.

There where probley a huge amount who agreed with the comment but where afraid to say.

cml387

OP, I guess it all depends about how you make your point.

For example in a Manchester Utd. rumours thread the "norm" would be supporters of Manchester Utd.
If you hate Man U but post sensibly and make interesting points you won't be banned.

MrStuffins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Well i know you dont have freedom to say what you like on here otherwise this site would of not lasted very long.

But within reason ive seen people get banned for very little in threads on this site just cause alot of others did not think it was the right thing to say.

There where probley a huge amount who agreed with the comment but where afraid to say.

Can we possibly get an example here so we can see exactly what you're talking about? Since your example in the original post in hypothetical!

Oranage2

/the Pc brigade has really hit the PC hard these days and any contraversial opinion is shunned, and in some cases you will be banned.
As for your opinion, if you put 'I dont really care whats happening in Japan' You will face a backlash but maybe not a ban.

Now take for example my opinion 'that black trans-gender people should go back to Poland'

People will probalby pick my statement apart and call me ignorant and I might get a warning over it!!

How Soon Is Now

cml387 wrote: »

OP, I guess it all depends about how you make your point.

For example in a Manchester Utd. rumours thread the "norm" would be supporters of Manchester Utd.
If you hate Man U but post sensibly and make interesting points you won't be banned.

True ya i get what u mean.

I think i just feel at times on sites like this and in life really is that if a bigger number of people disagree with you on something then agree with you then your point does not matter.

How Soon Is Now

MrStuffins wrote: »

Can we possibly get an example here so we can see exactly what you're talking about? Since your example in the original post in hypothetical!

What you want me to do go threw every single thread on this site and find u an example?? Sure most would probley been deleted by now.

hondasam

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Well i know you dont have freedom to say what you like on here otherwise this site would of not lasted very long.

But within reason ive seen people get banned for very little in threads on this site just cause alot of others did not think it was the right thing to say.

There where probley a huge amount who agreed with the comment but where afraid to say.

I get what you are saying and sometimes their can be an over reaction to some things but jokes made in bad taste are never humorous.

Yes a lot might have agreed in private. every serious topic will have an effect on someone reading it.

Dudess

Varying points of view are expressed here all the time - news to me that Boards only allows one stance on everything. Just because racism, homophobia, excessively bad-taste jokes, abuse, advocation of cruelty etc aren't allowed here doesn't mean an "alternative viewpoint" isn't allowed.
Although controversial points of view can be made once they're sufficiently backed up - they generally aren't though.

MrStuffins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

What you want me to do go threw every single thread on this site and find u an example?? Sure most would probley been deleted by now.

No, but can't you remember any? If this is happening really often, surely one must come to mind? Has it ever happened to you?

Feeona

stupidusername wrote: »

Funnily enough, as once mentioned in a south park episode, there is some sort of time period that must pass before a tragedy can be joked about, and when that time comes many many posters will join in. until then it's just not deemed acceptable to not take it seriously.

South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

I really wouldn't use it as a bible.

Overheal

You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"

How Soon Is Now

Dudess wrote: »

Varying points of view are expressed here all the time - news to me that Boards only allows one stance on everything. Just because racism, homophobia, excessively bad-taste jokes, abuse, advocation of cruelty etc aren't allowed here doesn't mean an "alternative viewpoint" isn't allowed.
Although controversial points of view can be made once they're sufficiently backed up - they generally aren't though.

MrStuffins wrote: »

No, but can't you remember any? If this is happening really often, surely one must come to mind? Has it ever happened to you?

I wasnt really trying to say that where only aloud one view on here and thats it. Think was more along the lines in that if you dont fully feel the same and dont really have the same emotions on a subject as some would are you best off to just say nothing then express your views??

MrStuffins honestly right off top my head i cant think of any one example of a post on here that shows what i mean i read so many posts and threads on here everyday.

But if i could find one right now id show u as i dunno maybe i didnt get my point across the best way i find it hard to describe stuff in text form at times :P.

Dudess

Oranage2 wrote: »

/the Pc brigade has really hit the PC hard these days

To some, not being a dick = PC brigade.

and any contraversial opinion is shunned, and in some cases you will be banned.

If a person said "All junkies should have forced abortions" and their only back-up was about how it would reduce "scum" of course they'd get a warning/banning, because of being a dick. And there's nothing "PC" about such a reprimand.

As for your opinion, if you put 'I dont really care whats happening in Japan' You will face a backlash but maybe not a ban.

Certainly not a ban - and I'd imagine the only backlash you'd face would be "Then why post?" and understandably so. The only point of such a post would be for attention-seeking.

Now take for example my opinion 'that black trans-gender people should go back to Poland'

People will probalby pick my statement apart and call me ignorant and I might get a warning over it!!

:pac:

But this victimhood "They don't allow anything controversial, they'll ban ya, they're out to get me" stuff is usually from people who simply want to be dicks.

Dudess

Overheal wrote: »

You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"

I proposed a RIP forum for those threads, which are, in my opinion, pointless here. But at the same time, I don't see the need for making insensitive comments on such threads either - although some folk with a vested interest view any bit of discussion at all as insensitive, e.g. a news story. In my opinion, if it's in the news, then it's up for discussion, if done cautiously.

dxhound2005

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I wasnt really trying to say that where only aloud one view on here and thats it. Think was more along the lines in that if you dont fully feel the same and dont really have the same emotions on a subject as some would are you best off to just say nothing then express your views??

MrStuffins honestly right off top my head i cant think of any one example of a post on here that shows what i mean i read so many posts and threads on here everyday.

But if i could find one right now id show u as i dunno maybe i didnt get my point across the best way i find it hard to describe stuff in text form at times :P.

Have you ever been banned? There is a disputes resolution procedure available.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1397

stupidusername

MrStuffins wrote: »

The reason people aren't allowed to joke is because many many people in the thread and reading the thread could have friends, family etc over there. At the time they were worried and trying to get through to their loved ones or hoping to hear everything was ok.

It would be like someone starting a thread saying their family might've just died in an accident and someone coming along and joking about it. it's not very nice now is it?

yeah, but I wasn't talking about in that thread. never mentioned it myself actually.

Though I find that a lot of people that get offended or think comments are unnecessary or not so nice, aren't people who've been affected by the event themselves, which I find unusual.

Feeona wrote: »

South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

I really wouldn't use it as a bible.

am, I wasn't. I was just mentioning it cause I assumed that's where most people who know about this acceptable time period stuff would have heard it described. I don't watch south park, and wasn't saying anything about the show.

How Soon Is Now

Overheal wrote: »

You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"

I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.

How Soon Is Now

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Have you ever been banned? There is a disputes resolution procedure available.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1397

Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.

Overheal

Personally im not much one for all of the sentimentalities either. In this case Im most interested in seperating facts from fictions.

I wouldn't go as far to accuse someone of making up heart-sob stories though to whore thanks though. Not that some users have been caught doing so, eg "Hey I thought last week you said you were married etc? [link]" or that guy who says he's never had a problem with muslims and you show him his post where he gloats about pissing off a muslim with the bottom of his shoe, and other such stupidities.

hondasam

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.

I was reading a thread recently which I'm convinced people just posted what made them come across as cool. I don't think a lot of people are honest when the post. If a mod gives an early warning then people hold back and it is all nice and pleasant.

Dudess

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.

You seem to think people get banned very easily here. Yeah I know what you're saying: a lot of people get very po-faced on those tragedy threads. If you express that you think it seems a bit fake, then it turns into an argument, then that results in mud-slinging and then bannings. But not the sentiment itself. Best not to read those threads, or ignore the schmaltzy stuff. Is there any point in commenting on them if you've nothing to say other than "You're full of sh1t"?

dxhound2005

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.

Say how your really feel and see how it goes.

Eric Cartman

depends on the views you hold really, boards is fine once you arent racist , sexist, anti traveller , anti semetic, or have problems with people having mental illnesses or fight people who disagree with abortion or think that some people who post in PI are just sad acts

once you avoid all of that your fine

basically dont be me

How Soon Is Now

Dudess wrote: »

You seem to think people get banned very easily here. Yeah I know what you're saying: a lot of people get very po-faced on those tragedy threads. If you express that you think it seems a bit fake, then it turns into an argument, then that results in mud-slinging and then bannings. But not the sentiment itself. Best not to read those threads, or ignore the schmaltzy stuff. Is there any point in commenting on them if you've nothing to say other than "You're full of sh1t"?

Well the way i look at that is if you were sitting in a group of people and they made a similar comment on a topic and really milked it for pure emotional value id say that i felt they where a bit of full of it why not here whats the difference??

strobe

Feeona wrote: »

South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

:eek: Banned.

cml387

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.

I think you have a very good point about people posting ott sympathies.
There is a human impulse to become somehow involved in a major news event.It shows in the amount of people who signed a book of condolence after the Cork air crash.A tragic event,but really

In it's extreme form it can lead to this strange case:

http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/world/world/general/kiwi-fake-doctors-london-bombings-lies/2059144.aspx

seanybiker

I Know what your on about. No use trying to explain it though.

Humans eh!

I understand where you are coming from OP however saying that you don't give a toss about something adds nothing to a discussion. Having an opposing viewpoint to a post is the lifeblood of a thread. The skill is in how you approach it and word it. If your argument is a valid one it will stand up by a well written post and citing examples and references. For example you are arguing your viewpoint point on this thread and doing ok so far.

Your example isn't perhaps the best one though. The Japanese Tsunami disaster affects people on many levels. Many Irish people have links with Japan and have relatives / friends there. Even just on a basic humanity level people will empathise, so its disingenuous to ask why should people care, they do and they will.
You are perfectly free to blame God, Allah, Poseidon etc but If you just don't care, why insult people who do, for no good reason. I know though you just took that as an example and you are not devoid of empathy or emotion.
However you are fully entitled not to care about any subject it just means that you have nothing of any value whatsoever to contribute and should just walk away.

Boards.ie is a discussion forum.
If you don't want to discuss something or don't care much.
Just Ignore it.

If you do care, no matter if 99% of other posters disagree and can argue your point without insults, cheap one line sniping or personal attacks, go for it, watching the other posters with whom you disagree fall into that trap on their own can be very satisfying.

Lots of topics and stuff I don't care about on here so I just don't bother even reading their threads. Thats my tuppence worth.