Is having a different view other then the ''norm'' possible without being banned??

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:25PM

hondasam wrote: »

you are not easily offended then :pac:

I can insult you if I like

well no , I can be offended by jokes that target me, as in : white straight successful men jokes (I defy you to find one ) because thats targeted at me or my demographic ,

but if you were to tell a sexist, gay, racist, rape, dead baby, maddie mccann, japan earthquake, aids, obese people, anorexic people, down syndrome, suicide or other mental ilness joke , etc... I would not be entitled to be offended and nobody else should be offended by jokes or statements made that arent directed at them

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:27PM

drkpower wrote: »

Isnt that a very insular view? Should you only be offended by things that offend you personally & directly?

What about things that offend your brother or sister or loved one?

if they say it to them then they can be offended by themselves , if its only said to me , why should I be offended, however if its an insult directly targeted to a specific one of my family members or friends thats different

hondasam · 13-03-2011 07:29PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well no , I can be offended by jokes that target me, as in : white straight successful men jokes (I defy you to find one ) because thats targeted at me or my demographic ,

but if you were to tell a sexist, gay, racist, rape, dead baby, maddie mccann, japan earthquake, aids, obese people, anorexic people, down syndrome, suicide or other mental ilness joke , etc... I would not be entitled to be offended and nobody else should be offended by jokes or statements made that arent directed at them

I can take a joke but sometimes I don't like some of the crass ones. I actually hate the maddie jokes but I just ignore it. When there is a lot of people reading threads every joke will affect someone.

drkpower · 13-03-2011 07:31PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if they say it to them then they can be offended by themselves , if its only said to me , why should I be offended, however if its an insult directly targeted to a specific one of my family members or friends thats different

So if your family members or friend has children, or is gay, or is black, or whatever, you are then entitled to be offended?

But even if you believe that making statement that insult or deride a group of your fellow citizens is utterly deplorable, if you have no direct family/close friend link to them, you are not entitled to be believe that is an offensive remark?

Is that really the logic of your position?:D

How Soon Is Now · 13-03-2011 07:31PM

hondasam wrote: »

I can take a joke but sometimes I don't like some of the crass ones. I actually hate the maddie jokes but I just ignore it. When there is a lot of people reading threads every joke will affect someone.

But the problem i find is some people feel the need to be over sensitive about everything.

NOOO your not aloud say that how dare you say that some person million miles away died and his cousin might be offended by what you just said.

I am deeply hurt by what you just said even though i cant in any way relate to it and i am million miles away from it happening to me.

How dare you !!

parker kent · 13-03-2011 07:33PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

white people being offended by black/asian/whatever jokes
men being offended by rape jokes
childless people being offended by dead baby jokes
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people really just need to chill out and stop being offended

I think in some of those cases, people aren't offended but more irritated or annoyed. Like some of the above are pretty tasteless and likely to be unfunny unless used by a genuinely funny person. I've lost count of the amount of crap dead baby jokes I've heard. I'm not offended by them (well unless you can be offended by something unfunny :pac:) but I still could do without them.

The OP does make a good point and ruins it with a bad one. Some people are horrible to listen to when there is a tragedy. I think some people like to seen to say the right thing and they just come across as bland, pointless comments. But I'd view posts saying "why should we care?" are just as pointless.

Threads when a celebrity (or somebody in the news) dies normally strike me as the worst for such useless posts.

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:33PM

hondasam wrote: »

I can take a joke but sometimes I don't like some of the crass ones. I actually hate the maddie jokes but I just ignore it. When there is a lot of people reading threads every joke will affect someone.

and thats why boards has its rules, Im not saying they should change, Im just pointing out that on here you have to stay on the safe more PC side because there are people who get offended either legitimatly or for no reason , then argued about people getting offended by thigns they shouldnt, its unfortunate people do get offended by words on the internet but heh , thats the f¨cked up way the world is

How Soon Is Now · 13-03-2011 07:36PM

parker kent wrote: »

I think in some of those cases, people aren't offended but more irritated or annoyed. Like some of the above are pretty tasteless and likely to be unfunny unless used by a genuinely funny person. I've lost count of the amount of crap dead baby jokes I've heard. I'm not offended by them (well unless you can be offended by something unfunny :pac:) but I still could do without them.

The OP does make a good point and ruins it with a bad one. Some people are horrible to listen to when there is a tragedy. I think some people like to seen to say the right thing and they just come across as bland, pointless comments. But I'd view posts saying "why should we care?" are just as pointless.

Threads when a celebrity (or somebody in the news) dies normally strike me as the worst for such useless posts.

Ya but its not that i would post in a thread saying i dont really care i dont give a **** lol i wouldnt.

But at the same time just cause i didnt care maybe as much as someone else does and i think there over doing it for no reason if i was to comment on this i would be shunned.

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:36PM

drkpower wrote: »

So if your family members or friend has children, or is gay, or is black, or whatever, you are then entitled to be offended?

But even if you believe that making statement that insult or deride a group of your fellow citizens is utterly deplorable, if you have no direct family/close friend link to them, you are not entitled to be believe that is an offensive remark?

Is that really the logic of your position?:D

you misunderstand , If somebody makes a black joke about black people in general to me , I am not allowed be offended for my black friend, however if somebody makes a joke regardless of content directly targeted at only my black friend then I am allowed to take offence

minidazzler · 13-03-2011 07:37PM

I have a rule regarding things like this, if you don't have anything nice to say, then you better have something funny. Simple as.

hondasam · 13-03-2011 07:37PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and thats why boards has its rules, Im not saying they should change, Im just pointing out that on here you have to stay on the safe more PC side because there are people who get offended either legitimatly or for no reason , then argued about people getting offended by thigns they shouldnt, its unfortunate people do get offended by words on the internet but heh , thats the f¨cked up way the world is

sometimes posters stick together and then it looks worse. If I made a joke about you and it did not offend you why should it offend anyone else. I agree you have to say the right thing or depending on who said it. rules change !!

drkpower · 13-03-2011 07:38PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you misunderstand , If somebody makes a black joke about black people in general to me , I am not allowed be offended for my black friend, however if somebody makes a joke regardless of content directly targeted at only my black friend then I am allowed to take offence

Wouldnt a statement that insults all black people be a direct insult against your black friend?

ie. all black people are inferior.

OutlawPete · 13-03-2011 07:40PM

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Personally how i feel about this whole incident is that yes its awful the world would of been better place if it had not happened but end of the day its just news to me i can switch it off and thats that im interested in learning about it thats it after that i dont really care.

It all depends on what you want to say.

If you say: "Fcuk 'em, what do I care."

Then that's likely to highly upset someone right now and you have to expect people to try and circumvent that. There is a private forum on Boards where you can post jokes and stuff that would be wholly insensitive, but you have to request access to it.

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:41PM

drkpower wrote: »

Wouldnt a statement that insults all black people be a direct insult against your black friend?

ie. all black people are inferior.

yes but I can stand up for my friend as a friend treating him as just a person regardless of skin colour etc... just based on my experiences with them, I cannot defend his race as I dont know what its like to be black and I am not a eugenicist so I dont know if black/asian whatever people are inferior or not, cant argue what I dont know

drkpower · 13-03-2011 07:45PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes but I can stand up for my friend as a friend treating him as just a person regardless of skin colour etc... just based on my experiences with them, I cannot defend his race as I dont know what its like to be black and I am not a eugenicist so I dont know if black/asian whatever people are inferior or not, cant argue what I dont know

Ok, so you can be offended by a remark aimed at all black people even when you, yourself, are not black, but where you have a black friend.

Now, can I be offended by a remark made against all Jewish people, even though I am not Jewish, and even if i dont have a Jewish friend, but merely because I believe that it is wrong to target any one group or strata of society?

Edit: do you really need to be a eugeneicist to have a view on whether black people are inferior?:rolleyes: Would you take that position if the statement were made about all caucasians?

How Soon Is Now · 13-03-2011 07:47PM

OutlawPete wrote: »

It all depends on what you want to say.

If you say: "Fcuk 'em, what do I care."

Then that's likely to highly upset someone right now and you have to expect people to try and circumvent that. There is a private forum on Boards where you can post jokes and stuff that would be wholly insensitive, but you have to request access to it.

How do u go about getting access to this even just to see what its like??

Donkey Oaty · 13-03-2011 07:47PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes but I can stand up for my friend as a friend treating him as just a person regardless of skin colour etc... just based on my experiences with them, I cannot defend his race as I dont know what its like to be black and I am not a eugenicist so I dont know if black/asian whatever people are inferior or not, cant argue what I dont know

Out of interest, do you have any friends?

Humans eh! · 13-03-2011 07:51PM

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Purpose of this thread was more me asking a question and seeing what kind of reaction i would get. I was really looking to see would anyone agree or would i get the usual reaction as in just shut up if u dont like it.

I just wanted other peoples views.

Other peoples views are simply bricks in the wall of the persona that they have constructed around themselves through experience, environment and outside influence. They often change as life throws more crap at you.
However sadly most peoples opinions are just acquired from others or just popular, which is the lazy option and often the most entrenched and can be downright dangerous if manipulated. If you are lazy enough to simply assume others opinions and stances then you are too lazy intellectually to formulate your own. The trick (and its not easy) is to let others have their opinions without it affecting you emotionally, you cannot change most peoples minds because they are too afraid to open them.

The intelligent mind is capable of changing or adapting its stance by assessing the currently available information. Year to year we change and grow and the views we cling to so desperately can appear ridiculous to us in time. Its called growing the mind. We are all on this planet without a clue why and most people cannot deal with the uncertainty so the wall of persona they build becomes their shield instead of their weapon, that they hide behind instead of using. So if you have a view point that challenges people they get real mad real quick. People are fragile, often the most agressive ones.

How Soon Is Now · 13-03-2011 07:53PM

Humans eh! wrote: »

Other peoples views are simply bricks in the wall of the persona that they have constructed around themselves through experience, environment and outside influence. They often change as life throws more crap at you.
However sadly most peoples opinions are just acquired from others or just popular, which is the lazy option and often the most entrenched and can be downright dangerous if manipulated. If you are lazy enough to simply assume others opinions and stances then you are too lazy intellectually to formulate your own. The trick (and its not easy) is to let others have their opinions without it affecting you emotionally, you cannot change most peoples minds because they are too afraid to open them.

The intelligent mind is capable of changing or adapting its stance by assessing the currently available information. Year to year we change and grow and the views we cling to so desperately can appear ridiculous to us in time. Its called growing the mind. We are all on this planet without a clue why and most people cannot deal with the uncertainty so the wall of persona they build becomes their shield instead of their weapon, that they hide behind instead of using. So if you have a view point that challenges people they get real mad real quick. People are fragile, often the most agressive ones.

And at least i know that having a conversation with yourself would actually be open and not just no this is my view and your wrong.

Dudess · 13-03-2011 07:54PM

I like a lot of bad-taste jokes, hate others. I don't know why I find some acceptable (for me) and some totally appalling. If a person can't help but find really bad-taste stuff hilarious though, well, that's how they feel, but there's no excuse for not knowing your audience. I remember there was a thread here about a little kid who was continuously physically abused and eventually died from his injuries (don't see the point in those threads either but anyway) some of which were caused by being kicked. And then some fucking geniuses posted jokes about kicking the baby or something. There's no purpose to that other than being an attention-seeking dick.
And there's a considerable difference between being bad-taste but genuinely witty and clever, versus just shocking people for the sake of it.

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 07:55PM

drkpower wrote: »

Ok, so you can be offended by a remark aimed at all black people even when you, yourself, are not black, but where you have a black friend.

No, I said I can NOT be offended by a statement made about black people in general as I am not black , I can however be offended by a statement made directly about a specific member of my friends or family that is not a generalisation

Now, can I be offended by a remark made against all Jewish people, even though I am not Jewish, and even if i dont have a Jewish friend, but merely because I believe that it is wrong to target any one group or strata of society?

I dont believe you can be offended by that

Edit: do you really need to be a eugeneicist to have a view on whether black people are inferior?:rolleyes: Would you take that position if the statement were made about all caucasians?

you dont need to be a eugenicist to have a view on any race (the wonderous thing about the world is people are allowed to form opinions no matter how stupid or ill informed) , but unless its based on a wide experience of that race I think you may be wrong, I think you do however have to be heavily informed and know all the facts to defend a race which you yourself are not part of , If a statement was made about caucasian people I am entitled to be offended as I myself am caucasian and have a lot of experience with caucasian people .

hondasam · 13-03-2011 07:57PM

Dudess wrote: »

I like a lot of bad-taste jokes, hate others. I don't know why I find some acceptable (for me) and some totally appalling. If a person can't help but find really bad-taste stuff hilarious though, well, that's how they feel, but there's no excuse for not knowing your audience. I remember there was a thread here about a little kid who was continuously physically abused and eventually died from his injuries (don't see the point in those threads either but anyway) some of which were caused by being kicked. And then some fucking geniuses posted jokes about kicking the baby or something. There's no purpose to that other than being an attention-seeking dick.
And there's a considerable difference between being bad-taste but genuinely witty and clever, versus just shocking people for the sake of it.

It all depends on our own mood whether we find it funny or not. I would be the same some funny others terrible. I hate any jokes about kids, rape and suicide.

How Soon Is Now · 13-03-2011 07:58PM

Dudess wrote: »

I like a lot of bad-taste jokes, hate others. I don't know why I find some acceptable (for me) and some totally appalling. If a person can't help but find really bad-taste stuff hilarious though, well, that's how they feel, but there's no excuse for not knowing your audience. I remember there was a thread here about a little kid who was continuously physically abused and eventually died from his injuries (don't see the point in those threads either but anyway) some of which were caused by being kicked. And then some fucking geniuses posted jokes about kicking the baby or something. There's no purpose to that other than being an attention-seeking dick.
And there's a considerable difference between being bad-taste but genuinely witty and clever, versus just shocking people for the sake of it.

I think what causes some problems with me and others at times is the fact very little actually desturbs me *I know i spelled it wrong :P*
I have a massive interest in watching and collecting documentarys videos and films on highly desturbing topics footage or even just made up things.
Now when i see things happen to people around the world it most of the time will not affect me that much ill think god ya thats awful but thats it.

I think what affects me the most is seeing any harm happen to animals *Mostly dogs* and seeing things happen to my family or close friends.

After that i have a very very thick skin when comes to what goes on in this world and what i find to much.

Donkey Oaty · 13-03-2011 07:59PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you dont need to be a eugenicist to have a view on any race (the wonderous thing about the world is people are allowed to form opinions no matter how stupid or ill informed) , but unless its based on a wide experience of that race I think you may be wrong, I think you do however have to be heavily informed and know all the facts to defend a race which you yourself are not part of , If a statement was made about caucasian people I am entitled to be offended as I myself am caucasian and have a lot of experience with caucasian people .

Thank you for answering my question.

drkpower · 13-03-2011 08:01PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No, I said I can NOT be offended by a statement made about black people in general as I am not black , I can however be offended by a statement made directly about a specific member of my friends or family that is not a generalisation.

But a statement such as #all black people are inferior' is both a generalisation, and a direct insult to your black friend, because the statements says that he is inferior. So you can be offended by that statement, based on your rule, yes?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I dont believe you can be offended by that.

Why does the mere fact that you have a friend who is black alow you to be offended by such a statement, but simply because i have no black friends, I am not so entitled?

Can you explain that logically?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you dont need to be a eugenicist to have a view on any race , but unless its based on a wide experience of that race I think you may be wrong, I think you do however have to be heavily informed and know all the facts to defend a race which you yourself are not part of , If a statement was made about caucasian people I am entitled to be offended as I myself am caucasian and have a lot of experience with caucasian people .

So, you need to be a eugenecist to argue that black people are not inferior becasue you only know of a few of the many millions of black people but you do not need to be a eugenecist to argue that white people are not inferior because you know a few hundred of the millions/billions of white people?

Have you thought this through?:D

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 08:03PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Thank you for answering my question.

I do actually have a lot of friends, including some black, arab and asian.

Donkey Oaty · 13-03-2011 08:05PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I do actually have a lot of friends, including some black, arab and asian.

What do they have to say about your analysis?

take everything · 13-03-2011 08:08PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

people really just need to chill out and stop being offended

Like less than empathetic people being offended by threads with normal empathy?

Thrill · 13-03-2011 08:08PM

angerfist2009 wrote: »

And at least i know that having a conversation with yourself would actually be open and not just no this is my view and your wrong.

An open-minded person would be prepared to believe that other people can feel sadness at the loss of life in far off countries and would not say "You're full of sh/t".

Eric Cartman · 13-03-2011 08:08PM

drkpower wrote: »

But a statement such as #all black people are inferior' is both a generalisation, and a direct insult to your black friend, because the statements says that he is inferior. So you can be offended by that statement, based on your rule, yes?

No - as its not to my friend specifically, its targeted to a group that my friend happens to be a part of , but as I am not friends with him specifically based on the fact that hes black , nor does him being black affect our friendship I am not allowed be offended

Why does the mere fact that you have a friend who is black alow you to be offended by such a statement, but simply because i have no black friends, I am not so entitled?

it doesnt as explained above

So, you need to be a eugenecist to argue that black people are not inferior becasue you only know of a few of the many millions of black people but you do not need to be a eugenecist to argue that white people are not inferior because you know a few hundred of the millions/billions of white people?

I think you can defend your own race based on yourself without being a eugenacist , If I was black I would have the right to defend black people in regards to racial slurs, but as Im white I can only defend my own corner

Is having a different view other then the ''norm'' possible without being banned??

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