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Is having a different view other then the ''norm'' possible without being banned??

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  • #32
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    What you want me to do go threw every single thread on this site and find u an example?? Sure most would probley been deleted by now.

    No, but can't you remember any? If this is happening really often, surely one must come to mind? Has it ever happened to you?


  • #33
    Feeona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Feeona


    stupidusername wrote: »

    Funnily enough, as once mentioned in a south park episode, there is some sort of time period that must pass before a tragedy can be joked about, and when that time comes many many posters will join in. until then it's just not deemed acceptable to not take it seriously.

    South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

    I really wouldn't use it as a bible.


  • #34
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

    I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"


  • #35
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Dudess wrote: »
    Varying points of view are expressed here all the time - news to me that Boards only allows one stance on everything. Just because racism, homophobia, excessively bad-taste jokes, abuse, advocation of cruelty etc aren't allowed here doesn't mean an "alternative viewpoint" isn't allowed.
    Although controversial points of view can be made once they're sufficiently backed up - they generally aren't though.
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    No, but can't you remember any? If this is happening really often, surely one must come to mind? Has it ever happened to you?

    I wasnt really trying to say that where only aloud one view on here and thats it. Think was more along the lines in that if you dont fully feel the same and dont really have the same emotions on a subject as some would are you best off to just say nothing then express your views??

    MrStuffins honestly right off top my head i cant think of any one example of a post on here that shows what i mean i read so many posts and threads on here everyday.

    But if i could find one right now id show u as i dunno maybe i didnt get my point across the best way i find it hard to describe stuff in text form at times :P.


  • #36
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    /the Pc brigade has really hit the PC hard these days
    To some, not being a dick = PC brigade.
    and any contraversial opinion is shunned, and in some cases you will be banned.
    If a person said "All junkies should have forced abortions" and their only back-up was about how it would reduce "scum" of course they'd get a warning/banning, because of being a dick. And there's nothing "PC" about such a reprimand.
    As for your opinion, if you put 'I dont really care whats happening in Japan' You will face a backlash but maybe not a ban.
    Certainly not a ban - and I'd imagine the only backlash you'd face would be "Then why post?" and understandably so. The only point of such a post would be for attention-seeking.
    Now take for example my opinion 'that black trans-gender people should go back to Poland'

    People will probalby pick my statement apart and call me ignorant and I might get a warning over it!!
    :pac:

    But this victimhood "They don't allow anything controversial, they'll ban ya, they're out to get me" stuff is usually from people who simply want to be dicks.


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  • #37
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Overheal wrote: »
    You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

    I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"
    I proposed a RIP forum for those threads, which are, in my opinion, pointless here. But at the same time, I don't see the need for making insensitive comments on such threads either - although some folk with a vested interest view any bit of discussion at all as insensitive, e.g. a news story. In my opinion, if it's in the news, then it's up for discussion, if done cautiously.


  • #38
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,799 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    I wasnt really trying to say that where only aloud one view on here and thats it. Think was more along the lines in that if you dont fully feel the same and dont really have the same emotions on a subject as some would are you best off to just say nothing then express your views??

    MrStuffins honestly right off top my head i cant think of any one example of a post on here that shows what i mean i read so many posts and threads on here everyday.

    But if i could find one right now id show u as i dunno maybe i didnt get my point across the best way i find it hard to describe stuff in text form at times :P.

    Have you ever been banned? There is a disputes resolution procedure available.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1397


  • #39
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    The reason people aren't allowed to joke is because many many people in the thread and reading the thread could have friends, family etc over there. At the time they were worried and trying to get through to their loved ones or hoping to hear everything was ok.

    It would be like someone starting a thread saying their family might've just died in an accident and someone coming along and joking about it. it's not very nice now is it?

    yeah, but I wasn't talking about in that thread. never mentioned it myself actually.

    Though I find that a lot of people that get offended or think comments are unnecessary or not so nice, aren't people who've been affected by the event themselves, which I find unusual.
    Feeona wrote: »
    South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

    I really wouldn't use it as a bible.

    am, I wasn't. I was just mentioning it cause I assumed that's where most people who know about this acceptable time period stuff would have heard it described. I don't watch south park, and wasn't saying anything about the show.


  • #40
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    Overheal wrote: »
    You can have a differing view of course. But most people seem to feel the need to belittle and insult other people as they do so. Keep your nose clean and you'll do alright.

    I understand where you're coming from. There were 2 kinds of people when Heath Ledger died: "Oh that poor guy he was so young" and "That poor - omg wait did he finish filming batman?"

    I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

    These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

    My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.


  • #41
    How Soon Is Now
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Have you ever been banned? There is a disputes resolution procedure available.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1397

    Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.


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  • #42
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Personally im not much one for all of the sentimentalities either. In this case Im most interested in seperating facts from fictions.

    I wouldn't go as far to accuse someone of making up heart-sob stories though to whore thanks though. Not that some users have been caught doing so, eg "Hey I thought last week you said you were married etc? [link]" or that guy who says he's never had a problem with muslims and you show him his post where he gloats about pissing off a muslim with the bottom of his shoe, and other such stupidities.


  • #43
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.

    I was reading a thread recently which I'm convinced people just posted what made them come across as cool. I don't think a lot of people are honest when the post. If a mod gives an early warning then people hold back and it is all nice and pleasant.


  • #44
    Dudess
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    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

    These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

    My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.
    You seem to think people get banned very easily here. Yeah I know what you're saying: a lot of people get very po-faced on those tragedy threads. If you express that you think it seems a bit fake, then it turns into an argument, then that results in mud-slinging and then bannings. But not the sentiment itself. Best not to read those threads, or ignore the schmaltzy stuff. Is there any point in commenting on them if you've nothing to say other than "You're full of sh1t"?


  • #45
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,799 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    Ive never been banned but probley would of been long ago if i said how i really felt about alot of topics on boards. Yet i wouldnt be the only person who felt same way.

    Say how your really feel and see how it goes.


  • #46
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    depends on the views you hold really, boards is fine once you arent racist , sexist, anti traveller , anti semetic, or have problems with people having mental illnesses or fight people who disagree with abortion or think that some people who post in PI are just sad acts

    once you avoid all of that your fine

    basically dont be me


  • #47
    How Soon Is Now
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    Dudess wrote: »
    You seem to think people get banned very easily here. Yeah I know what you're saying: a lot of people get very po-faced on those tragedy threads. If you express that you think it seems a bit fake, then it turns into an argument, then that results in mud-slinging and then bannings. But not the sentiment itself. Best not to read those threads, or ignore the schmaltzy stuff. Is there any point in commenting on them if you've nothing to say other than "You're full of sh1t"?

    Well the way i look at that is if you were sitting in a group of people and they made a similar comment on a topic and really milked it for pure emotional value id say that i felt they where a bit of full of it why not here whats the difference??


  • #48
    strobe
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    Feeona wrote: »
    South Park is a crap programme which assumes that everybody has their head stuck in the sand. It likes to 'shock' people into seeing the truth. A patronising heap of horse sh*t in other words.

    :eek: Banned.


  • #49
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,434 ✭✭✭cml387


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    I just feel that when a major tragedy happens there are people who really milk the emotions and ive never been one of these people and to be honest i dont think much of it.

    These are the people who will post the most heart felt message like as if it was there mother who just died and will probley get about 20 odd thanks under the post.

    My feelings about this would be that if i was to reply to that for example by saying something like your full of ****e which i can bet alot of people would also think id probley get banned or warned.

    I think you have a very good point about people posting ott sympathies.
    There is a human impulse to become somehow involved in a major news event.It shows in the amount of people who signed a book of condolence after the Cork air crash.A tragic event,but really:confused:

    In it's extreme form it can lead to this strange case:

    http://www.thecourier.com.au/news/world/world/general/kiwi-fake-doctors-london-bombings-lies/2059144.aspx


  • #50
    seanybiker
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    I Know what your on about. No use trying to explain it though.


  • #51
    Humans eh!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Humans eh!


    I understand where you are coming from OP however saying that you don't give a toss about something adds nothing to a discussion. Having an opposing viewpoint to a post is the lifeblood of a thread. The skill is in how you approach it and word it. If your argument is a valid one it will stand up by a well written post and citing examples and references. For example you are arguing your viewpoint point on this thread and doing ok so far.

    Your example isn't perhaps the best one though. The Japanese Tsunami disaster affects people on many levels. Many Irish people have links with Japan and have relatives / friends there. Even just on a basic humanity level people will empathise, so its disingenuous to ask why should people care, they do and they will.
    You are perfectly free to blame God, Allah, Poseidon etc but If you just don't care, why insult people who do, for no good reason. I know though you just took that as an example and you are not devoid of empathy or emotion.
    However you are fully entitled not to care about any subject it just means that you have nothing of any value whatsoever to contribute and should just walk away.

    Boards.ie is a discussion forum.
    If you don't want to discuss something or don't care much.
    Just Ignore it.

    If you do care, no matter if 99% of other posters disagree and can argue your point without insults, cheap one line sniping or personal attacks, go for it, watching the other posters with whom you disagree fall into that trap on their own can be very satisfying.

    Lots of topics and stuff I don't care about on here so I just don't bother even reading their threads. Thats my tuppence worth.


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  • #52
    How Soon Is Now
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Say how your really feel and see how it goes.

    I doubt id get enough time to get replys from people who actually felt the same :P


  • #53
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,242 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

    white people being offended by black/asian/whatever jokes
    men being offended by rape jokes
    childless people being offended by dead baby jokes

    people really just need to chill out and stop being offended


  • #54
    How Soon Is Now
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    Humans eh! wrote: »
    I understand where you are coming from OP however saying that you don't give a toss about something adds nothing to a discussion. Having an opposing viewpoint to a post is the lifeblood of a thread. The skill is in how you approach it and word it. If your argument is a valid one it will stand up by a well written post and citing examples and references. For example you are arguing your viewpoint point on this thread and doing ok so far.

    Your example isn't perhaps the best one though. The Japanese Tsunami disaster affects people on many levels. Many Irish people have links with Japan and have relatives / friends there. Even just on a basic humanity level people will empathise, so its disingenuous to ask why should people care, they do and they will.
    You are perfectly free to blame God, Allah, Poseidon etc but If you just don't care, why insult people who do, for no good reason. I know though you just took that as an example and you are not devoid of empathy or emotion.
    However you are fully entitled not to care about any subject it just means that you have nothing of any value whatsoever to contribute and should just walk away.

    Boards.ie is a discussion forum.
    If you don't want to discuss something or don't care much.
    Just Ignore it.

    If you do care, no matter if 99% of other posters disagree and can argue your point without insults, cheap one line sniping or personal attacks, go for it, watching the other posters with whom you disagree fall into that trap on their own can be very satisfying.

    Lots of topics and stuff I don't care about on here so I just don't bother even reading their threads. Thats my tuppence worth.

    True good way of putting it i guess in person im usually very out spoken and very open minded and i tend to have alot of different views on things that not everyone would agree with. I sometimes find it hard to put this across on here in text form.

    Id also find it hard to stomach half of what people say and do on here without replying cause it all seems a bit cheap to me at times how people react to situations seems so false.


  • #55
    drkpower
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    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    I doubt id get enough time to get replys from people who actually felt the same :P
    So you havent bothered posting your views in the relevent thread because you think you would be banned, but you go to bother of starting a thread to say that if you did post in the thread with those views, you would be bannned...?

    :confused:


  • #56
    How Soon Is Now
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

    white people being offended by black/asian/whatever jokes
    men being offended by rape jokes
    childless people being offended by dead baby jokes

    people really just need to chill out and stop being offended

    Id agree to a certain degree. Maybe id have my own way of describing this.


  • #57
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

    white people being offended by black/asian/whatever jokes
    men being offended by rape jokes
    childless people being offended by dead baby jokes

    people really just need to chill out and stop being offended

    you are not easily offended then :pac:

    I can insult you if I like


  • #58
    How Soon Is Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭How Soon Is Now


    drkpower wrote: »
    So you havent bothered posting your views in the relevent thread because you think you would be banned, but you go to bother of starting a thread to say that if you did post in the thread with those views, you would be bannned...?

    :confused:

    Purpose of this thread was more me asking a question and seeing what kind of reaction i would get. I was really looking to see would anyone agree or would i get the usual reaction as in just shut up if u dont like it.

    I just wanted other peoples views.


  • #59
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    what I also dont get is people being offended by things that dont affect them

    white people being offended by black/asian/whatever jokes
    men being offended by rape jokes
    childless people being offended by dead baby jokes

    Isnt that a very insular view? Should you only be offended by things that offend you personally & directly?

    What about things that offend your brother or sister or loved one?


  • #60
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,434 ✭✭✭cml387


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    True good way of putting it i guess in person im usually very out spoken and very open minded and i tend to have alot of different views on things that not everyone would agree with. I sometimes find it hard to put this across on here in text form.

    Id also find it hard to stomach half of what people say and do on here without replying cause it all seems a bit cheap to me at times how people react to situations seems so false.


    Boards is not real life.
    If one had to sign one's name and address and attach a photograph with each post things would be a lot different.


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  • #61
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    angerfist2009 wrote: »
    Id agree to a certain degree. Maybe id have my own way of describing this.

    I agree with what you are saying totally. What I would post in a serious thread and what I would discuss in PM would be totally different. That's why I try not get involved in topics that are over sensitive.

    have a rant via PM. :)


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