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08-03-2011 01:15PM

gbee wrote: »

Yes it is but it's seen as a seduction for men too.

In a relationship the woman wears long hair at first, she settles down and cuts her hair. Psychologically, this is reinforcing her commitment to her man but some men go looking for affairs and in all cases the woman he beds has long hair.

wtf

GO_Bear · 08-03-2011 01:45PM

gbee wrote: »

Yes it is but it's seen as a seduction for men too.

In a relationship the woman wears long hair at first, she settles down and cuts her hair. Psychologically, this is reinforcing her commitment to her man but some men go looking for affairs and in all cases the woman he beds has long hair.

I see

stevoslice · 08-03-2011 03:48PM

gbee wrote: »

Yes it is but it's seen as a seduction for men too.

In a relationship the woman wears long hair at first, she settles down and cuts her hair. Psychologically, this is reinforcing her commitment to her man but some men go looking for affairs and in all cases the woman he beds has long hair.

this is the word of the lord

robindch · 08-03-2011 06:01PM

dead one wrote: »

Suppose i invent a robot

Creator of robots?

Hope your little fellas learn to pray to you five times daily real fast!

dead one · 09-03-2011 05:36AM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

You are using human limits (humans dont know of a universal langauge) to say god couldn't come up with one. Its a bit silly to say that god couldn't do something ebcause humans cant.

It is very true God has given human limited knowledge. Within this limited knowledge you can think what is limited. You are in cage of age. This age of cage may be 100 years. But when you are free from this cage you will see everything clearly. It is limit which God put upon you. You can't cross limits. What type of universal language you are seeking. The perfect system of this world isn't the universal language which you are seeking. What do you think that this perfect system is an accident. Can you name any perfect thing which came out of accident in this world. Isn't it not enough logic to feed your reason.

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Yeah, this is just meandering nonsense. "God could, but he doesn't because he already did...mysterious ways... "

What God knows we don't. It is simple reason. What is in God's mind, why he created this universe in such a way, you or i can't explain because our knowledge is limited. That's what you are saying, Suppose i invent a robot with my knowledge and robot ask to me why i have invented it in this a way, why i didn't created it in that way or the language which i choose for its communication isn't right. That's what you are doing. I hope you understand what i am saying. You are creation, You didn't created youself, it is something else in which you don't believe.

Can you give me enough of reason That you have created yourself? So that i believe what you saying is true?

Mark Hamill wrote: »

What's ironic is that someone who clearly doesn't know anything about science in general is telling others what science is. Where you an eye witness to god creating the universe?

There is no irony my friend, Irony is in your mind with limitness in knowledge. I am not talking on my behalf. I am talking with source i.e God's word, You don't have any source. You are just talking in the language of gesture which science has shown you. Isn't it not true? That you believe in an accident but you don't believe how that accident started. Suppose someone is dead on road due to accident and you are saying no one has killed him because the accident started by chance.:pac:

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Stop stalling and answer my question: why cant the universe have no beginning and end? Its a simple question, if my words truly dont have source and yours come from god, then you should be able to answer it.

Simple answer is every thing in universe is creation (including universe). It is in accordance with reason and logic which you are seeking that creations have always beginning and end. Just take example of complex watch. on the day when clock came in to being that day is its creation day and when it expire that day is its ending day. The theory applies in everything in the universe including stars, planets, galaxies etc. These are not mine theories but i am talking on behalf of God's word. The end is also mentioned in Quran.

That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur’an, 21:104)
also here is good reason.

They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe! (Qur’an, 39:67)

dead one · 09-03-2011 05:50AM

robindch wrote: »

Creator of robots?
Hope your little fellas learn to pray to you five times daily real fast!

What creator knows robots don't know, If robot goes to the fire than your have to trained your robot in such a way that it doesn't go to the fire.
Prayers don't take so much time, but it is way to remember Allah. Suppose you are busy with your friends and it's time for prayer, leave the friends go for Allah. Purpose is for the will of Allah leave everything. Now what is will of Allah that is commandments of Allah. One of purpose of prayer is remember Allah in every happiness, in every sorrow, in every moment of life and don't cross limits. Suppose i gave you simple example there are three cases before me.
1. Atheist
2. Christian
3. Muslims

In above case Atheist is just while christian and muslim are wrong. So if i favor Muslims or christian, than i am not following will of God. That is one purpose of Prayer to remember Allah event if it on your life.

gbee · 09-03-2011 10:07AM

Mind Limits:

We have known since the 1930s that we, as humans today only use about 1/10th the power of our minds. Some say this is a limit defined by God, I say it's a limit defined by evolution.

I believe we live multiple times, we probably have been animals, birds, spiders or flies in a former life, I don't believe we come back as these, as I believe we continually evolve. As evidence some studies suggest that the irrational fear of snakes or spiders by big strong humans might stem from deeply buried memories of being killed and eaten by these predators as we we flies or birds for instance.

A logical progression towards a spiritual assention where we gain the use of more brain power. I think this is a very old story handed down to use, possibly from our fathers, but taken by religion as a special reserve and used, well as any dictator will usurp power.

Any individual can become a spiritual being, but like all evolution, some never will. The path is not through religion, though some who actually follow their religion will not be sent astray, but there is no reward, no heaven or virgins awaiting those not of pure heart.

Religion has a lot of similarities with human experiences but each individual human is responsible for his or her own destiny, truth comes through enlightenment.

Enlightenment comes form the study of all things.

robindch · 09-03-2011 10:21AM

dead one wrote: »

What creator knows robots don't know, If robot goes to the fire than your have to trained your robot in such a way that it doesn't go to the fire.

But you will have "trained" your robot to worship you five times a day while pointing in some geographical direction?

You are the robot's creator, and I believe that you think that this kind of thing must happen.

09-03-2011 11:19AM

gbee wrote: »

Mind Limits:

We have known since the 1930s that we, as humans today only use about 1/10th the power of our minds.

Not this myth again

Dades · 09-03-2011 11:20AM

gbee wrote: »

We have known since the 1930s that we, as humans today only use about 1/10th the power of our minds. Some say this is a limit defined by God, I say it's a limit defined by evolution.

I thought that old chestnut had been debunked?

Mark Hamill · 09-03-2011 11:32AM

dead one wrote: »

It is very true God has given human limited knowledge. Within this limited knowledge you can think what is limited. You are in cage of age. This age of cage may be 100 years. But when you are free from this cage you will see everything clearly. It is limit which God put upon you. You can't cross limits. What type of universal language you are seeking. The perfect system of this world isn't the universal language which you are seeking. What do you think that this perfect system is an accident. Can you name any perfect thing which came out of accident in this world. Isn't it not enough logic to feed your reason.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, I think you are purposefully trying to change the subject because you cant deal with my point. The are many better ways in which god could have passed on his message to us besides in a single language, written from a very subjective and poetic point of view. It doesn't help its cause at all to be so limited, even ignoring magic universal languages, he still could have made the book more straightforward, given the book to more people (as far as Mohammed got, he was never personally going to get top Australasia or the Americas).

dead one wrote: »

What God knows we don't. It is simple reason. What is in God's mind, why he created this universe in such a way, you or i can't explain because our knowledge is limited. That's what you are saying, Suppose i invent a robot with my knowledge and robot ask to me why i have invented it in this a way, why i didn't created it in that way or the language which i choose for its communication isn't right. That's what you are doing. I hope you understand what i am saying. You are creation, You didn't created youself, it is something else in which you don't believe.

If our knowledge of god is limited then we cant say anything about him, can we? We cant say he doesn't have limitations, because we cant tell the difference between god not doing something because he cant and not doing something because he wont. How can you tell anything about god if your understanding is limited?

dead one wrote: »

Can you give me enough of reason That you have created yourself? So that i believe what you saying is true?

When did i say I created myself? Really poor attempt at a strawman there.

dead one wrote: »

There is no irony my friend, Irony is in your mind with limitness in knowledge. I am not talking on my behalf. I am talking with source i.e God's word,

But you dont know if its gods words, do you? You, as a human, are incapable of understanding gods mind, therefore you are incapable of recognising it too. Those words could be anything, from a charismatic humans words to the devils words and you wouldn't be able to tell.

dead one wrote: »

You don't have any source.[/COLOR] You are just talking in the language of gesture which science has shown you. Isn't it not true? That you believe in an accident but you don't believe how that accident started. Suppose someone is dead on road due to accident and you are saying no one has killed him because the accident started by chance.:pac:

People die in accidents all the time actually. Besides that, as has been said countless times in countless threads to you, causality doesn't have to apply to the creation of the universe as causality (our understanding of it) is dependent on time and time was created with teh universe.

dead one wrote: »

Simple answer is every thing in universe is creation (including universe). It is in accordance with reason and logic which you are seeking that creations have always beginning and end. Just take example of complex watch. on the day when clock came in to being that day is its creation day and when it expire that day is its ending day. The theory applies in everything in the universe including stars, planets, galaxies etc. These are not mine theories but i am talking on behalf of God's word. The end is also mentioned in Quran.

As I said above, causality is time dependent, therefore the creation of the universe doesn't have to have a cause as time only started to exist with the universe. Pointing out everything inside the universe having a cause doesn't mean that anything outside of it does.

iBumblebeetuna · 09-03-2011 11:34AM

gbee wrote: »

Mind Limits:

We have known since the 1930s that we, as humans today only use about 1/10th the power of our minds. Some say this is a limit defined by God, I say it's a limit defined by evolution.

Off topic I know, but a little googling would show that you are mistaken about humans using 10% of their brain. Humans use 100% of their brain power.
People in the 30s may have thought this but they are demonstrably wrong and we have known this for a very long time.

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=we+use+10+percent+of+our+brains&aq=1&aqi=g3g-m7&aql=&oq=we+use+1

Take your pick of the links above...

gbee · 09-03-2011 11:36AM

Dades wrote: »

I thought that old chestnut had been debunked?

Maybe a bit sideways rather than debunked. Sure the magicians and Uri's of this world play on the limitless potential of the brain, but they are entertainers.

We are growing smarter at an earlier age since liberalism became about the turn of the century. It's a transfer of thought that is believed to be the cause, more and more people just seem to know, and this was ongoing even before the TV and 24 hour Internet was available.

Mark Hamill · 09-03-2011 11:37AM

Dades wrote: »

I thought that old chestnut had been debunked?

Yep, see here. We dont necessarily use 100% of our brains all of the time, but over a day, we will use 100%. The same could be said of our muscles, we only use a certain percentage at a particular time but over a day all 100% are used (when our biceps our tensed, our triceps are loose, but over all, each muscle is used)

Zombrex · 09-03-2011 11:39AM

dead one wrote: »

Woman aren't for amusement but they are very pious relation if form of mothers, sisters, daughters etc. There are thousand of woman around to "amuse" But i choose "way of respect". That is language of Respect.

It is disrespectful to tell women how to behave. So when you say you choose the way of respect that is a falsehood. Pretending to respect women when you don't is also a form of disrespect.

So you don't in any shape or form you respect women.

I'm sure you believe you know what is best for them, but that isn't the same thing and you won't be the first man in history to think like that. :rolleyes:

CiaranMT · 09-03-2011 12:39PM

At least this discussion is more legible than J C's ramblings.

robindch · 09-03-2011 12:55PM

bluewolf wrote: »

gbee wrote: »

We have known since the 1930s that we, as humans today only use about 1/10th the power of our minds.

Not this myth again

Might be true for creationists.

dead one · 10-03-2011 09:32AM

Wicknight wrote: »

It is disrespectful to tell women how to behave. So when you say you choose the way of respect that is a falsehood.

Very well friend, someone is using fool language and if i told him / her not to use it, than i disrespect her / him . Some one is abusing and i tell him / her to stop abusing or stop"disrespecting the language" which is beautiful source of communication, than under your moral and ethics i have disrespected him / her. What a source of disrespect in your words, If someone is polluting minds of children with abusive/fool language i ask him / her to stop that than i have disrespect her / him.
BTW: Can you please tell what is respect and Disrespect for women.Can you guess it under shades of your desires, I guess,you don't than who guess, It is Lord who decide what is Good for Men and Women not you because you are his creation you don't know what God knows
Lets see you don't know what God knows because your knowedlge is limited. Can you tell me advertisement is for woman or for Car. This is humiliation for the Woman, the pious-est relation on eath is used to advertise for material. This is humiliation for the whole race of Women. Why this is happening because they follow no Book of God. You can see films dvd etc how this purest relation is insulted in the name of liberalism, i don't have much to say about it as you are quite intelligent.Is this respect which you r seeking my friend. Those who follow their desires have made women just a show piece to feed / cloth their desires. Even woman aren't sincere to their own Race.

Now i tell you what is respect. Islam gives women real respect to women in every aspect of life.

Wicknight wrote: »

Pretending to respect women when you don't is also a form of disrespect

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I address every woman as "pure relation" which is sister. You won't able to see my desires in my words as i can clearly see you can't read woman's mind. Why i don't have desire because i believe in book of Allah i.e Quran. The book gives me wisdom to finish my desires. Hope when you get rid your desires than you will also pretend to respect woman. Than you also tell everyone don't use fool language.

Wicknight wrote: »

So you don't in any shape or form you respect women.

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You can't shape women or not i can, It is order of God and pious women believe in words of Allah. But women who wish to become center of amusement in the heart of Men. It is burden for them.

O Western world's inhabitants, God's world is not a shop!
What you are considering genuine, will be regarded counterfeit
Your civilization will commit suicide with its own dagger
The nest built on the frail branch will not be durable

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm sure you believe you know what is best for them, but that isn't the same thing and you won't be the first man in history to think like that. :rolleyes:

This poem fits on your thoughts.

THE Western MAN

To solve this riddle thinkers have much tried,
Their efforts all so far it has defied.
No doubt, to woman's faith and conduct clear,
The Pleiades and moon do witness bear.
This vice in Western way of life we find,
Men fools and blind, can't read a woman's mind.

10-03-2011 09:43AM

dead one wrote: »

Very well friend, someone is using fool language and if i told him / her not to use it, than i disrespect her / him .

"would you mind not swearing around me please, I find it a little offensive" is not disrespectful
"women are supposed to be pretty and look pious so stop speaking in a way i find not pretty" is disrespectful

This is humiliation for the Woman,

It's amusing you quote a poem which says:

Men fools and blind, can't read a woman's mind.

But then you presume to say what is and isn't humiliating for the woman.
Have you asked her if it's humiliating standing there? I wouldn't find it humiliating.

Those who follow their desires have made women just a show piece to feed / cloth their desires. Even woman aren't sincere to their own Race.

You have some nerve claiming to be respectful when you spout this absolute tripe.

Now i tell you what is respect. Islam gives women real respect to women in every aspect of life.

That is a definitely a matter of opinion.

GO_Bear · 10-03-2011 09:43AM

dead one wrote: »

Sweet.

I don't find anything disrespectful, about the picture or me enjoying the picture

Beruthiel · 10-03-2011 09:45AM

dead one wrote: »

Islam gives women real respect to women in every aspect of life.

Translation:

Every aspect of a womans life is dictated to her. Hence, she is not allowed to transgress any of these 'rules' or there will be hell to pay.
What a miserable life.

housetypeb · 10-03-2011 09:48AM

Dead One,your posts make as much sense as this from one of the great prophets from the Book of Cyril(pbuh).:)

...Obadiah, his servants. There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi-- with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that, in that time, shall the third one.....

dead one · 10-03-2011 09:56AM

GO_Bear wrote: »

Sweet.

I don't find anything disrespectful, about the picture or me enjoying the picture

Because you don't know what kind of monster is "real respect!". How you can find a thing which is unfamiliar to your life or way of living. It's beyond your measures. You have to polish yourself unless you see it.

housetypeb · 10-03-2011 10:00AM

Quote from Dead One
I address every woman as "pure relation" which is sister. You won't able to see my desires in my words as i can clearly see you can't read woman's mind. Why i don't have desire because i believe in book of Allah i.e Quran. The book gives me wisdom to finish my desires. Hope when you get rid your desires than you will also pretend to respect woman. Than you also tell everyone don't use fool language.
Quote:

So the quran helps you to get rid of your desires,and when your desires are gone you will then pretend to respect women.(and go around telling everyone not to use fool language).
Thats some book you worship,dont you have a mind of your own?

GO_Bear · 10-03-2011 10:05AM

dead one wrote: »

Because you don't know what kind of monster is "real respect!". How you can find a thing which is unfamiliar to your life or way of living. It's beyond your measures. You have to polish yourself unless you see it.

Not quite sure what you are trying to say but ...

I know what respect is, its equality, its the golden rule, treat others as you would like to be treated. If I had the looks to model like that, probably make money out of it to fund my college work, I would.

What do you think is more disrespectful .... Outright denying them the right to do it ? Or giving them the choice ?

dead one · 10-03-2011 10:23AM

bluewolf wrote: »

"would you mind not swearing around me please, I find it a little offensive" is not disrespectful
"women are supposed to be pretty and look pious so stop speaking in a way i find not pretty" is disrespectful

I am replying to the post of Wicknight. I didn't said anything about you. Can i not reply to these posts? Can i not answer these question? I am replying about Women as General not about you. If you wish that i don't reply than i respect you, i will not reply again

bluewolf wrote: »

It's amusing you quote a poem which says:

I find it also very amusing, You can't understand the context of poem

Men fools and blind, can't read a woman's mind.

Read above quote with this context

This vice in Western way of life we find

bluewolf wrote: »

But then you presume to say what is and isn't humiliating for the woman.
Have you asked her if it's humiliating standing there? I wouldn't find it humiliating.

You can't differentiate between humiliation unless you know what is real humiliation. Woman isn't for advertisement if u advertise woman than it is humiliation for women. Women isn't for decoration of film industries., Woman isn't for Nakedness, Women isn't for desires for Some Fool Men, Women aren't for Decoration of Casinos or Strip of Club, Women aren't for decoration of TV programs. Women aren't for Dancing with Men. Please answer this fair question

QUESTIONS

Let some one ask this question from the wise of West
Whom Greece and India, as their guide and master hold
Is it the highest social mode by them evolved,
The males unemployed, fair sex to procreation cold?

robindch · 10-03-2011 10:31AM

dead one wrote: »

Islam gives women real respect to women in every aspect of life.

Tell me, would a woman be allowed to stand in front of a car like that in Saudi?

Or be allowed to drive it?

10-03-2011 10:35AM

dead one wrote: »

I am replying to the post of Wicknight. I didn't said anything about you. Can i not reply to these posts? Can i not answer these question? I am replying about Women as General not about you. If you wish that i don't reply than i respect you, i will not reply again

I didn't say you couldn't reply, I'm adding to the conversation.
or am I not allowed to talk now?

You can't differentiate between humiliation unless you know what is real humiliation. Woman isn't for advertisement if u advertise woman than it is humiliation for women.

You don't get to decide what's humiliating for them

Women isn't for decoration of film industries., Woman isn't for Nakedness, Women isn't for desires for Some Fool Men, Women aren't for Decoration of Casinos or Strip of Club, Women aren't for decoration of TV programs. Women aren't for Dancing with Men. Please answer this fair question

That's not a question.

But women aren't "for" anything except what they choose to do. Same as men. If women want to dance then women should be able to.

edit: beruthiel is right, you're being incredibly insulting

Dades · 10-03-2011 10:37AM

dead one wrote: »

Even woman aren't sincere to their own Race.

One generalisation deserves another.

BURQA_women_in_WHITE_CAR_TRUNK[1].jpg

robindch · 10-03-2011 11:56AM

dead one wrote: »

Now i tell you what is respect.

In the religious world, "respect" is the acceptance of, and submission to, the political power of others, power which is typically acquired by force or assertion of seniority in place of choice or merit.

dead one wrote: »

Islam gives women real respect to women in every aspect of life.

In the sense I've defined above, yes, you're quite correct.

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