Off topic discussion about God/Islam/Questions...

GO_Bear

Barrington wrote: »

You're half right...

Oxy ?????

So in however thousand years, people following the quran still havent managed to live in a "proper islamic society"... and his conclusion is that we should all convert? :pac:
Tad optimistic there wha

Hey guys I know communism has been a disaster in practice but it'll be perfect if we ALL adopt it RIGHT NOW!!!

dead one

GO_Bear wrote: »

Oxymoron ?

Wait for death?. You will see oxymoron!

To those who reject Our signs (Ayats) and treat them with arrogance, for them the gates of heavens will not be opened, and they will never enter the Garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle: such is Our reward for those in sin.(chapter 7 verse40).

Why there is arrogance in your mind because you are god in your existence?

Dades

dead one wrote: »

Why there is arrogance in your mind because you are god in your existence?

Why is there arrogance in yours because you believe the universe was made by God for man alone?

GO_Bear

dead one wrote: »

Wait for death?. You will see oxymoron!

That sounds like a threat.

Oxymoron was not intended as an insult for your information

dead one wrote: »

Why there is arrogance in your mind because you are god in your existence?
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In my "existence" there is no god, nor is there a need for a god. What I am and what everyone is , is star dust , we are the universe.

Arrogance in my mind ? Have you been listening to your arguments ? You recite with "full certainty" what is "Best" for women, as dictated by your book. In the atheist and agnostic forum no less.

No sir I am not being arrogant. I just find some of your views disgusting. I can't help that, and it is mandated in my personnel world view to call you out on such things, and to criticize the source of these ideals and I think I can say that most people here have been doing the same.

To which you respond in "full certainty" with even more scripture.

To which we respond with criticism, then you retort calling us arrogant and the cycle continues till the Andromeda galaxy annihilates us all.

dead one

Dades wrote: »

Why is there arrogance in yours because you believe the universe was made by God for man alone?

I don't believe it is for man alone, Responsibility is no arrogance. If you are talking about punishment of women, than men are also responsible for women in that restricted context, There is restriction it doesn't apply to all women.

One of the most misunderstood areas in Islam is that of the position of women in the religion. The general perception in the West is that Muslim women are subjugated and almost seen as property. While not all Muslims deal with women as inferior, this is unfortunately true in some segments of the Muslim world and this treatment is supposedly justified by the religion. However, when we look at the basis of the religion, the Quran, we see a very different picture. In the Quran God makes it very clear that men and women are equal. Quran makes it clear men and women are equal in the eyes of God.

Equality of Men and Women

[33:35] The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women; GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.

Penn

Equality of Men and Women
[33:35] The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women; GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.

....unless the woman steps out of line, then the angry man, the scared woman, the strong man, the submissive woman, the happy man, the beaten woman.

GO_Bear

Quran makes it clear men and women are equal in the eyes of God.

Then if they are "clearly" equal in the eyes of religion.

While not all Muslims deal with women as inferior, this is unfortunately true in some segments of the Muslim world and this treatment is supposedly justified by the religion

Why are women treated as inferior in some segments and how can they justify it using religion ?

Answer me yes or no, are those muslims who treat women as inferior wrong in there belief and are they bad muslims ?

legspin

dead one wrote: »

Yes i agree not all women but still they are women (The noblest relation). Have you ever wonder Why they are!. What cause them to become whatever they are. That is no perfect family system. Now question arise who will provide them family? Think on it


We are slaves of God, God knows his children better than any one else. We aren't salve of desires. Today those who believe in freedom are in fact, slaves of their desires. No one is free in this cage of Mortal world because you are going to meet death sooner or later. Those who think they are free to abuse infact they have forgotten death. Those who think they are free to do whatever they wish, infact have forgotten death.

Now can i ask one question in the end, Are you free to live 1000 years in this world.

I'm expecting a smack of the ban-hammer for this but tbh I don't care anymore.

If the bit in bold is true then your god really is an evil little prick. Your religion is currently the source of some of the greatest abuse and wrong-doing to people in the world at the moment and no amount of mealy-mouthed witterings about what the manifesto of a desert whack-job says will ever justify it. The treatment of women and girls in particular fills me with revulsion and any muslim man who says that it is the will of anything other than that of small-minded, petty little savages deserves that treatment to be inflicted on them ten-fold. You have been spouting ignorant, superstitious, mysogynistic bull**** for the last 16 pages so I would have to include yourself there.

With regards to your god and his will ... No Surrender

Stark

dead one wrote: »

I am pretty much sure those liberals don't consider you as "intelligent" because they aren't to see your intelligence but your beauty and your figures.

Speak for yourself. Not all men share your ignorance.

liamw

dead one wrote: »

well friend, soon you will see what is corruption and what is cure. It is very fact of life, once you are corrupt you can't differentiate between corruption and cure. The thing which you are thinking as "Cure" is infact corruption in my views. The thing which i am thinking as "Cure" is infact corruption in your views. So it is very difficult to change the mind of a corrupt person. You are thinking that i am corrupt. While i am thinking you are corrupt. Now who is actually corrupt. Time will tells you,

The fact you keep speaking about 'The West' as if it's some evil race tells me that you are indoctrinated through religious propaganda.

Let's talk about individuals instead. You and me. I think that man and woman should be treated equally in all respects. I not think a man should ever beat a woman, and I do not think a woman should ever beat a man.

On the other hand, you have quite clearly shown that you see women as an inferior sex, a sex that must stay in the shadow of the man, and a man may beat a woman under certain circumstances?!

That is why I say your mind is corrupted.

Please give me an example of how you think I, even through a generalization of 'western society', am corrupted?

My views about female are living facts in the society of West. You can't swallow these facts with your intelligence. Now why i have views because i don't wish to see a woman as stripper, I don't wish to see as hooker, I don't wish to see a women using "abusive language". I don't wish to see a women as a showpiece. They are people who are using women. Soon women will see why they are being used!

What if the woman wants to be a stripper? Is a male stripper being 'used' too? You can't see your double standards here?

Galvasean

dead one wrote: »

We are slaves of God,

For someone who rambles on about Islam being the one true freedom there seems to be an awful lot of slavery going on in it.

Dades

I think this thread has run it's course.

robindch

dead one wrote: »

Do you really think it's freedom?. In my view it's slavery.

War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
Freedom is slavery.

(Thanks Eric)