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  • #32
    Laalaaa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Laalaaa


    Does anybody know where we actually collect our parking permits after we've applied for them?? :pac:


  • #33
    Evita
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭Evita


    Hi guys, has anyone received their permit yet or have they even got back to you with the details of when and where to pick it up? I applied right away February 21st and have still not heard back from them. I rang them just there now but there is no option for NUI Maynooth on the automated message thingy. Is it just me who hasn't heard any word back from them? They said they'd get back within 3-4 working days so I'm getting worried and can't make that briefing tomorrow in the Venue.


  • #34
    markc1184
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭markc1184


    I've not heard anything yet either but there was a small leaflet on the car window today saying they commence from March 7th. IIRC there is an info day on tomorrow about it all. Might be worth dropping along and see can they answer any questions.


  • #35
    ash xxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭ash xxx


    I gots this earlier today

    "Dear Sir/Madam,
    Thank you for processing your online permit registration with APCOA Parking Ireland on behalf of NUI Maynooth.
    You are invited to collect your Parking Permit from the APCOA desk in the Foyer of the Iontas Building on Wednesday 2nd March between 10am and 12am and between 13pm to 14pm
    In line with NUI Maynooth policies you are obliged to produce the following documentation for checking as evidence of entitlement to receive a NUI Maynooth Parking permit for the vehicle registration used in your online application.

    • Vehicle Insurance Certificate
    • Valid current Student ID card or other oroof of registration with NUI Maynooth.
    • Any Photographic ID (including student ID card)
    Please note you will not receive your permit if the correct documentation in not produced at time of collection.
    Please forward any queries you may have to Ireland.permits@apcoa.ie
    Yours Sincerely
    APCOA Parking"


    :rolleyes:



  • #36
    banquo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Words are hard.


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  • #37
    Evita
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭Evita


    Hi all, thanks for the info. I applied literally straight away Monday morning when they opened the facility for applying so I'm at a loss as to why they haven't contacted me yet. When did you apply ash just out of interest?
    I sent them an email to that address they quote in your email earlier today and haven't received an answer. Unfortunately I can't make it to the briefing tomorrow but I guess they'd answer there :( There does not seem to be a phone number for their Maynooth operations so will just have to hope they email back I guess! Else I might just go along at the time they quote in your email ash! Pity they couldn't just keep people updated especially with the implementation next Monday.
    Oh the stress of it all and trying to read that map of where you can park and where you can't is stressful enough ;)


  • #38
    DingChavez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭DingChavez


    lol, the clowns still haven't sorted out the parking problem?

    They should just convert the football fields to parking space. Sure a few people will have nowhere to play but millions will be on time for lectures!


  • #39
    the_syzygy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭the_syzygy


    I registered for the permit last Monday too, and I've heard nothing either.

    On a related but different note I've contacted four different people in NUIM regarding the documentation required to collect a permit. It's excessive, and after a little bit of research I'm pretty sure it's in breach of Data Protection rules.

    Basically they can collect information that's relevant and necessary for the purpose, but may not collect excessive amounts of information. Points 1 and 2 in this link: http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/RightsPlainEnglish.htm&CatID=16&m=r

    My point to them is that they don't need my license or my full insurance certificate in order for me to park a car. They don't even need my reg number in fairness (what happens if I have to borrow or hire a car if something happens to mine?)

    Tonight I sent an email to the Presidents office as no one else is replying. I was perfectly willing to pay for a permit for this semester, but if they can't justify this sensibly I'm filing the complaint and parking in Tesco.


  • #40
    mp3guy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭mp3guy


    the_syzygy wrote: »
    I registered for the permit last Monday too, and I've heard nothing either.

    On a related but different note I've contacted four different people in NUIM regarding the documentation required to collect a permit. It's excessive, and after a little bit of research I'm pretty sure it's in breach of Data Protection rules.

    Basically they can collect information that's relevant and necessary for the purpose, but may not collect excessive amounts of information. Points 1 and 2 in this link: http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/RightsPlainEnglish.htm&CatID=16&m=r

    My point to them is that they don't need my license or my full insurance certificate in order for me to park a car. They don't even need my reg number in fairness (what happens if I have to borrow or hire a car if something happens to mine?)

    Tonight I sent an email to the Presidents office as no one else is replying. I was perfectly willing to pay for a permit for this semester, but if they can't justify this sensibly I'm filing the complaint and parking in Tesco.

    This is just a guess, but perhaps they're liable if an uninsured car is parked on campus?

    <edit> Or if an unlicensed driver parks on campus.

    My point is, it's not unreasonable to ask for those things, and why should people have qualms about providing them anyway? What have they got to hide.

    Sounds to me that if you can't prove you're licensed and insured they won't give you a permit and hence they won't be liable for anything going wrong when and if you park on campus.


  • #41
    markc1184
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,090 ✭✭✭markc1184


    What happens to people that live down the country with regards the insurance cert? My mate is from Cork, his cert is at his home address and he won't be home until the study week. Is there loopholes for situations like that or is it just a matter of having to travel down for it before he'll get his permit? I know he should probably have it up here with him but a cert would be the last thing on your mind when moving up.


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  • #42
    the_syzygy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭the_syzygy


    It's private property, and as such "cars parked at own risk..." yada yada yada. The university needs risk assessment and protection for many things, and parking land is most likely included in that. But my insurance does not cover or apply to their insurance.

    As an aside there is a medical centre on campus, for that to be available should I be providing the original certification of my health and life insurance now also? This is a generalisation so I apologise, but it's one that illustrates my point well.

    A driving license contains sensitive personal information. Your name, date of birth and a pic are all givens. It also includes a license number, and a license batch number. It lists and identifies medical conditions which may then affect your driving (spectacles etc). It lists what vehicles you may actually drive and there's also a little section to identify yourself as a donor.

    How does any of that apply to whether or not I am eligible for a permit? It doesn't. Eligibility is derived from whether or not we are a registered student or member of staff. And my student card, with my student number, course, date of birth and photo provides more than adequate information.

    So onto the insurance certificate. A document which lists my policy number, my reg number, my address, my cover period, my particulars of cover, the details of other people insured on my policy. If someone is involved in an accident on campus then either they are culpable via their insurance or personally should they have no insurance (and then legally with the Gardai also). If the accident is the fault of the University then it is their own policy which is affected, and the insurance state of approximately 2000 drivers will not affect that.

    These two items are legal documents, issued to me under specific legal circumstances, governed by laws passed by this country and Europe. No private company can request them on spec. (Excluding banks etc, whole other laws regarding them).

    EDIT: And now that I think about it a bit more, if the state of licenses and insurance affects parking lots (and their insurance) at all then how have I been parking in multistoreys, shopping centres, restaurant car parks, even outside my house?
    markc1184 wrote: »
    What happens to people that live down the country with regards the insurance cert? My mate is from Cork, his cert is at his home address and he won't be home until the study week. Is there loopholes for situations like that or is it just a matter of having to travel down for it before he'll get his permit? I know he should probably have it up here with him but a cert would be the last thing on your mind when moving up.

    No he shouldn't have it with him, it's a valuable document. It should be kept very safely. Well if I get anywhere with the guys I've emailed I'll post it here, but until then he may need it. Or he could always tell them he's lost it.


  • #43
    Evita
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭Evita


    Hi Guys, APCOA have been rather diabolocal at communicating to us. Funny how they've been tardy with everything except clamping people. As I said I applied for the permit straight away when they opened the application system and was told I'd receive info on where and when to pick up my permit within 3-4 working days. Yesterday was the 6th day and still no answer so I emailed and rang their Dublin branch until they gave me a proper answer and was eventually told there was a delay on permits but i could go in and pick it up today in the Iontas building between 10am-3pm. Turns out Wed-Friday this week, 10am-3pm you can pick it up there but they weren't going to bother telling me only for I rang and emailed them apparently. So there you go if you haven't heard just go in anyway. Oh and if they claim they can't find your permit there and then do not go away. Funny how they suddenly find it when you insist. Such hassle.
    I also agree all the documentation is a pain (bring your insurance certificate, driver's licence and student card and wait in line for about 10 minutes) and I think it's disgusting what our college is doing letting a private company clamp cars like this. Many people don't live anywhere near public transport, can't car share because they live in the arsehole of nowhere or are doing research degrees and have very sporadic hours here.
    Anyway bye boards.ie, just registered to ask had anyone got their permits because APCOA were not answering within the timeframe they stated.


  • #44
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭cython


    all-students@list.nuim.ie wrote:
    Dear Student

    I wish to advise all students that due to the large volume of applications for Parking Permits in recent days, APCOA Parking Management have advised the university that delays have regrettably been experienced in the processing of these applications. The issue of permits commenced on a staggered basis earlier this week, and every applicant will be contacted by APCOA Parking Management Ltd in the coming days with details of when and where their permits can be collected.

    Enforcement of parking permits will now commence with effect from Monday 21 March, 2011 instead of Monday 7 March, 2011 as previously advised. This extra time will enable all applicants to receive their permits in good time ahead of the implementation date. No vehicle will be clamped for non-display of permits before 21 March 2011.

    As the mid-term break is from 14th – 18th March, students who wish to obtain a parking permit are encouraged to do so without delay.


    Mr Colm Nelson

    Campus Services Officer
    So, 2 more weeks in which to get permits issued.


  • #45
    the_syzygy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭the_syzygy


    Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.

    I still don't like this, but since it's not being retained then I'm more open to it. I don't like it though because it should be the student that is issued a permit and not the car, as the student will always be there, whereas the car may change. The system here is open to abuse by both the students and the clampers.

    I was speaking with someone today though that obtained his permit with just his student card and his insurance disc. Apparently the driving license is not required at all. So even though there is a process stated it may be variable depending on who you see when collecting the permit.

    On a second note apparently in excess of 1800 permit applications have been received. So better get in early if you want that space, permit or not!


  • #46
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

    The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

    Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

    I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.


  • #47
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭cython


    efla wrote: »
    Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

    The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

    Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

    I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.

    I can see the need for double yellows there, if it's the lines I'm thinking about. There have been plenty of times that I have seen someone badly parked there, resulting in a situation whereby someone legitimately parked on the gravel would have massive difficulty in getting their car out of a space. Reversing out of those legitimate spaces at the time would have been nigh on impossible, and reversing into the last space in an aisle isn't intuitive to some people when there isn't a car opposite the space.


  • #48
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,582 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    efla wrote: »
    Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

    The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

    Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

    I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.

    That's been double-yellowed for months now, it was always ignored though.
    the_syzygy wrote: »
    Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.

    I still don't like this, but since it's not being retained then I'm more open to it. I don't like it though because it should be the student that is issued a permit and not the car, as the student will always be there, whereas the car may change. The system here is open to abuse by both the students and the clampers.

    I really don't get where you're coming from. The Drivers License is an acceptable form of ID when purchasing alcohol or trying to enter a pub, sure any bouncer could glance and see where you're from or if you've got a condition. It is no big deal, really.

    In fact, it's probably more suitable to have to provide a driver's license for a permit because they don't want to give non-Drivers parking permits so they can just pass them off to their friends or people who work in Maynooth town who'll park on campus and take valid student spaces.

    As far as I'm aware, your Reg number does not appear anywhere on the permit. There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.


  • #49
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    the_syzygy wrote: »
    Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.
    This makes sense. This is to ensure that the car is owned by the student, and not someone wanting a free place to park their car whilst they get the bus to work, after dropping said student to college.
    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.
    Reg could be easy enough to... change, alter, etc. Barcode, not so. Thus I'd say it is the latter.

    =-=

    It'll be fun when lecturers start getting clamped: then you'll see sh|t hit the fan :D


  • #50
    the_syzygy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭the_syzygy


    TouchingVirus wrote: »
    That's been double-yellowed for months now, it was always ignored though.



    I really don't get where you're coming from. The Drivers License is an acceptable form of ID when purchasing alcohol or trying to enter a pub, sure any bouncer could glance and see where you're from or if you've got a condition. It is no big deal, really.

    In fact, it's probably more suitable to have to provide a driver's license for a permit because they don't want to give non-Drivers parking permits so they can just pass them off to their friends or people who work in Maynooth town who'll park on campus and take valid student spaces.

    As far as I'm aware, your Reg number does not appear anywhere on the permit. There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.

    In fact it is a big deal. I don't use my driving license or passport for any other reason than which I obtained them, and the only people I ever show them to are representatives of state. If you think I don't think it's ok to show my license to parking attendants what makes you think I'd be willing to show it bouncers or the guy in O'Briens?

    This information is private and that's what my point is. It's not to be given out freely. We give too much of ourselves away for free, and because we're told we have to to. Most people aren't aware of alternatives, and so they give up sensitive private information for no good reason.

    The Garda provide and Age Card, should you be in the mood for beer. They also provide a form (M111 I think), that is a legally acceptable alternative to other photo ID when opening bank accounts. This sin't because they want the extra work, it's because your other ID has a specific function, and it is not to suit the whimsy and interest of the service industry.

    Your reg number does not appear on your license, your license number, and your license batch number appear just under your photograph.

    And since NUI Maynooth are not guaranteeing spaces it doesn't matter how many students get a permit, drivers or not. As I said they were already in the process of issuing 500 more permits than there are spaces (1800+ permit requests, ~1350 spaces), so it's not as if we've got a solution here.

    And if you're curious as to just how much information you've already given away for free, google yourself, and your usernames. And then remember that this info is cached. And unless Google get another state request for information which leads them to destroy the cache then it will all exist somewhere forever, and anyone with a little effort can find it.


  • #51
    Absolute Zero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    uhh, just got the email about the parking permits but im not in Maynooth today so what now?. Can i collect it on monday?
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  • #52
    Mastroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Mastroph


    the_syzygy wrote: »
    The Garda provide and Age Card, should you be in the mood for beer.
    ...
    And since NUI Maynooth are not guaranteeing spaces it doesn't matter how many students get a permit, drivers or not. As I said they were already in the process of issuing 500 more permits than there are spaces (1800+ permit requests, ~1350 spaces), so it's not as if we've got a solution here.
    The Age Card does not garuntee you entry into pubs, says so on the card. It only proves you're 18 so you can buy alcohol. It's an age card, not an ID. Perhaps this means there should be yet another form of ID for people to carry? I already have 3 forms of photo ID plus my bank card.

    As for the spaces thing, not everyone will be parking on campus every day, and this will prevent people who are not students parking on campus to do their shopping or whatever. It obviously won't completely solve the problem, but it's a step in the right direction.


  • #53
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Ill remove any clamp in the maynooth campus for 40 euro :D just pm me if you get clamped, its 100% legal


  • #54
    Compton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    PM me your number will you?


  • #55
    Gran Hermano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71008170&postcount=12

    Well worth a read.


  • #56
    sickpuppy32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭sickpuppy32


    Whats the story for visitors to the campus?
    i'm in and out of there once a week on business - I'm doing a doctorate in NUIM next year hopefully. Is there a special carpark for visitors?


  • #57
    the_syzygy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭the_syzygy


    That law article is perfect, I'd heard of the law, but the language was beyond me. I totally agree with his final point: a barrier system would ensure higher levels of compliance and in the long term be more effective.

    There is a pay parking section beside the Callan Building and at the back beside the pitches. Visitors can park there, I don't know what the rate is though.


  • #58
    TouchingVirus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,582 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    sickpuppy32 wrote: »
    Whats the story for visitors to the campus?
    i'm in and out of there once a week on business - I'm doing a doctorate in NUIM next year hopefully. Is there a special carpark for visitors?

    There are paid parking car parks, and then there are undesignated car parks (student or staff permits only as far as I know, first come first served).


  • #59
    sickpuppy32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭sickpuppy32


    think i'll be driving the motorbike to college in sep then


  • #60
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


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    Just have to get a sim card to use in another phone...


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  • #61
    LeixlipRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    Would you not just do it for a fiver? How does it cost you any money to remove the clamp? Replacing one form of explotation with another?


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