Clamping?!

sudzy

This clamping craic is f€kn a joke!! I just lost a whole days wages and my weeks budget when i was parked perfectly safe...
It makes me sick to think that some private profit-making company is earning money out of a ridicilous parking situation in the college.
Not only was I late for my lab beacuse it took me 20mins to find somewhere, but then after ringing the clampers I missed another lecture having to wait an hour for them to arrive!!
Rant over! :mad:

ash xxx

What was their reason to clamp you if you were parked legally? Surely if you were in a designated car park space, you have grounds to appeal it

Alt_Grrr

sudzy wrote: »

parked perfectly safe...

Not that I doubt you for one second... but I'm doubting you.
I've seen some seriously dangerous parking around the campus (And in the apartments too).

if you parked in the pay and display car park by the end of the Callan Building and you didn't pay, you get clamped, simple as.

If on the other hand you parked somewhere "Perfectly Safe" for example blocking off a fire exit, consider getting clamped getting off lightly. (In this instance the fire bridge can be called to remove your car... there not exactly gentle when it comes to these things)

That said the traffic situation will take time to improve, I still see people using the campus as a means to drop there kids off to school or a handy parking spot while they nip out to the shops.

AdmaialNimitz

sudzy wrote: »

This clamping craic is f€kn a joke!! I just lost a whole days wages and my weeks budget when i was parked perfectly safe...
It makes me sick to think that some private profit-making company is earning money out of a ridicilous parking situation in the college.
Not only was I late for my lab beacuse it took me 20mins to find somewhere, but then after ringing the clampers I missed another lecture having to wait an hour for them to arrive!!
Rant over! :mad:

While it wont change that you missed lectures etc there is an appeal system...use it!!!!! The SU made sure that was in there just in case this sorta thing happened.

Lord TSC

Yeah, might help if you actually tell us where you parked and how. Not being negative but people online have a habit of making themselves the victims when if they explained the whole situation, they'd find out why they were clamped...

Astrobotty

I think that yes it is a disgrace but you were inaccurate in your rant.
The money from the clamping goes into a fund to improve parking facilities in Maynooth, the clamping people get the same pay whether they clamp or not.

Either way, absolute BS to see so many cars clamped everyday.

ALSO...
HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIZE OF THE PARKING SPACES ALONG THE NORTH CAMPUS RING ROAD?
It is awful, you could fit nearly two cars in each parking space.
what fools!
They are making things worse.

markc1184

This morning near the playing fields there was a car with most of it's rear tyre and boot hanging over the end of the parking space onto double yellows and it was clamped even though there was 75% of the car in a space and it wasn't causing any obstruction. IMO this type of clamping is a disgrace, if the majority of the car was on the yellows then it would be different. If it's this kind of situation that haopened the OP then I sympathise with you.

Any one tell me when the permits come into force and were can they be bought? Thanks.

Ostrom

markc1184 wrote: »

This morning near the playing fields there was a car with most of it's rear tyre and boot hanging over the end of the parking space onto double yellows and it was clamped even though there was 75% of the car in a space and it wasn't causing any obstruction. IMO this type of clamping is a disgrace, if the majority of the car was on the yellows then it would be different. If it's this kind of situation that haopened the OP then I sympathise with you.

Any one tell me when the permits come into force and were can they be bought? Thanks.

Some of the markings seem pointless, unless I'm missing something. The ones on the long bend by education house, and the verges beside auxilia were recently double yellowed. They aren't obstructing any entrances, and the one-way lane means no tight spaces??

EskimoJack

I'm bringing a grinder in my boot from now on so if anyone clamos me i'll cut it off, there is NO Law entitling any private company from interfering wth you car.

I have been clamped in Newbridge and Naas and cut the chain myself heard nothing about it afterwards

mp3guy

EskimoJack wrote: »

I'm bringing a grinder in my boot from now on so if anyone clamos me i'll cut it off, there is NO Law entitling any private company from interfering wth you car.

I have been clamped in Newbridge and Naas and cut the chain myself heard nothing about it afterwards

Well whatever about "fighting the power" and exercising your rights as a taxing paying motorist, sometimes you're clamped for good reason. For example, if I pulled up on campus after paying €40 for a permit only to see someone pulling out of a space without one, I'd want them done there and there for a pretty hefty fine. Similarly if I saw someone parked in a stupid place just to avoid double yellows (Which fyi are usually there for safety, eg allowing space for emergency vehicles like ambulances and fire brigades through).

Ostrom

mp3guy wrote: »

Well whatever about "fighting the power" and exercising your rights as a taxing paying motorist, sometimes you're clamped for good reason. For example, if I pulled up on campus after paying €40 for a permit only to see someone pulling out of a space without one, I'd want them done there and there for a pretty hefty fine. Similarly if I saw someone parked in a stupid place just to avoid double yellows (Which fyi are usually there for safety, eg allowing space for emergency vehicles like ambulances and fire brigades through).

Arrived in about two hours ago (1:30pm), passed two clamped cars and pissed off owners.

The first was parked at the first bend just after the playing fields (close to the canteen), the second a little further on. Neiter appeared to be causing any critical obstruction, there were no entrances within 20 metres of either space.

I cannot understand why these particular areas are now marked double yellow.

AdmaialNimitz

efla wrote: »

The first was parked at the first bend just after the playing fields (close to the canteen)

Almost certain your not allowed to park within a certain number of meters of a bend/corner...

Ostrom

AdmaialNimitz wrote: »

Almost certain your not allowed to park within a certain number of meters of a bend/corner...

5 metres from an entrace no? It makes sense to restrict with two-way traffic and limited field of vision, but with the one way in place...?

Daemos

efla wrote: »

I cannot understand why these particular areas are now marked double yellow.

I can't comment on the placement of the yellow lines, but if there are yellow lines there then they shouldn't have been parked there, simple as

Ostrom

Daemos wrote: »

I can't comment on the placement of the yellow lines, but if there are yellow lines there then they shouldn't have been parked there, simple as

The issue is with the placement of the lines. These lines appeared just before christmas if I remember, across areas where cars have parked before. They are not beside entrances, and views of oncoming traffic are no longer needed.

I'm largely in favour of the permit and pooling system, but these particular zones seem to add nothing to safety and seem to be reliable ground for clampers.

BTW I would love to know if the guy kicking and beating rocks against the clamp succeeded.

mp3guy

efla wrote: »

The issue is with the placement of the lines. These lines appeared just before christmas if I remember, across areas where cars have parked before. They are not beside entrances, and views of oncoming traffic are no longer needed.

In an emergency situation a vehicle made need to break the one way system, which then going by your description, explains the necessity for the placement of those specific lines.

Ostrom

mp3guy wrote: »

In an emergency situation a vehicle made need to break the one way system, which then going by your description, explains the necessity for the placement of those specific lines.

But....but....I'm really angry. Surely emotion defeats logic?

TouchingVirus

So when did the lines appear around the north campus creating parking spaces - as in the parking boxes? Because whoever came up with that idea needs a kick in the head.

A lot of people are driving Nissan Micras and other small hatchbacks, they're leaving 3ft odd of space free in the box. They should box off the first spot and the last spot (i.e. the two spots where in front or behind them are double yellows) and leave everything in between unmarked. In the last few months I've not noticed anybody who wasn't left with enough room to get out of the space they parked in, the free space left behind cars parked in spaces at the minute is needlessly wasteful. I reckon you could get 3 saloons or 4 hatchbacks more into the single stretch beside the football pitches if the cars were closer together. Of course by breaking the box lines you might be liable to a clamp :rolleyes: I'll be raising this as a point on Thursday at a staff briefing. I encourage you to bring it up in the student briefing too (Wednesday, 1st March, The Venue, 11am)

If I were a student I'd also campaign for more student parking. Specifically, the car park down by the N4 shouldn't be staff parking, it should be designated student parking. The fact that the car park next to the primary/secondary schools are undesignated is neither here nor there, students have no designated car parking area apart from along the northern bounds of the campus (next to the SU and Sports Hall).

ash xxx

Car parking spaces are legally required to be a certain size, and have to be made to be able to accommodate anything from a Micra to a Range Rover. They're not made that size to piss people off, they have to be a certain size.

When those lines weren't there, people were parking atrociously and dangerously on the ring road.

TouchingVirus

In all my years here I've never seen (nor had experience of) somebody parking so close to another car that the other car couldn't get out. That's what the room is there for, for manoeuvering in and out of parking spaces. If you can't manoeuvre in because your car is too big then don't park there, leave it for a smaller car. It is still a space somebody could use. Instead of wasting space all over the place.

Also, could you elaborate on dangerous/attrocious parking? Because I'm not talking about double yellow parking, obstructing views or anything like that - merely the fact they can fit more cars into the limited space.

There is no legal obligation to mark out individual spots, Dublin City has been doing without on many streets for years - just a solid white line to say "This length of road between the path and this line is parking, fit in where you can".

sudzy

Just to get back to ya's, after cooling off for the week..
I was parked half on space and the fron of my car was half out of the space, on a double yellow.
In fairness the guy was just doin his job and if any part of me was on the double yellow, then I suppose he's got full right to clamp it, still f*kn annoying though.

I heard 25+ cars were clamped today, someone's definitly making a good bit of money somewhere!

TouchingVirus

I saw a car getting clamped today and it parked just like your one sudzy, only the back was out of the box onto a double yellow by the rear wheel. All I all I'd reckon there was three foot outside the box but it was next to a turn :)I suppose it's good they're being consistent.

villainous

Can I ask, as someone who seems to be off the right mailing list:mad:, when are the permits coming in?

Daemos

You can apply online for one here: https://nuim.apcoaonline.com/payments/beginpermitpayment.html

TouchingVirus

villainous wrote: »

Can I ask, as someone who seems to be off the right mailing list:mad:, when are the permits coming in?

Permits are free for this semester, but they'll be charged for in September. The clampdown this week is only on illegal parking (obviously) and not for parking in the wrong car park

shamtastic

I think this clamping situation is completely unethical. Do they think all of us just blatantly ignore the parking rules for a laugh? Sometimes you just have to park the car somewhere as you've been driving around for 10 mins! If you're gonna clamp, start with the dangerous/stupidly parked cars, of which there will be enough for them to make a living.

I got clamped today for being on a double yellow on the road behind the apartments. I know thats technically fair, but when I arrived in at 12 this morning there was literally NO spaces available and I even drove around the campus twice. There was a rugby match of sorts on with plenty of parents cars etc. taking up a sizable number of spaces around the pitches. I had to leave the car somewhere so I left it there in line with another 50 or so cars. Low and behold they decide to come in at 4pm and clamp everyone who is still in college as if we just pulled up and dumped them there 5 mins ago.

The Kilcock road has been dug up so more people are parking on the campus. And could they not at least hold off on clamping until the permits come in so we can see if there will be less volume. They clamped about 15 cars around me too and it cost €82 in total for me. The clamper was actually a sound chap and he said the company just rang him and said clamp anyone on double yellows. He even admitted it's stupid as he knew the parking situation!

mp3guy

shamtastic wrote: »

I think this clamping situation is completely unethical.

There are no ethics in boolean logic, either you're in a no-park zone or you're not, simple as.

shamtastic wrote: »

Sometimes you just have to park the car somewhere as you've been driving around for 10 mins!

No, you don't "just have to park the car somewhere". No one forces you to stop driving after the clock hits 10 minutes. You keep driving or park on a different premises.

shamtastic wrote: »

I got clamped today for being on a double yellow on the road behind the apartments. I know thats technically fair,

It's 100% fair and expected.

shamtastic wrote: »

but when I arrived in at 12 this morning there was literally NO spaces available and I even drove around the campus twice.

This means nothing, it's neither here nor there. There is no "Oh, they drove around campus TWICE? Why didn't you say so, no clamp for them!"

shamtastic wrote: »

Low and behold they decide to come in at 4pm and clamp everyone who is still in college as if we just pulled up and dumped them there 5 mins ago.

Again, temporality has nothing to do with the clamping process.

shamtastic wrote: »

The Kilcock road has been dug up so more people are parking on the campus.

Parking on this road was actually not legal either, as told by the many emails sent around with warnings from the Gardaí.

shamtastic wrote: »

The clamper was actually a sound chap and he said the company just rang him and said clamp anyone on double yellows. He even admitted it's stupid as he knew the parking situation!

Yes, but he still does his job because rules are rules and his company know a lot of people just don't learn and will keep firing off €82 cheques to them.

shamtastic

Yeah I do understand you have many valid points mp3guy and I paid the fine for taking the risk! But I do think they should hold off on mass clamping until the permits come in. Why should a load of students get clamped in the afternoon if even 20 people who work in the town have taken spots in the college since the morning? Or another 30 spots taken when there's college rugby games on with travelling teams? It seems highly unfair on people who pay to go to the college. Makes you wonder why these permits weren't brought in sooner! Thankfully this should be sorted soon but they really seem to be clamping alot right now when I think it would be fairer to hold off and clamp mainly blatantly dangerous parking.

xxshebeexx

shamtastic wrote: »

I know thats technically fair, but when I arrived in at 12 this morning there was literally NO spaces available and I even drove around the campus twice.

Then maybe try coming in as early as you can.. there's plenty of spaces available at 9am..

Turtyturd

Is it random which cars get clamped?

I seeen 2 cars parked on double yellow lines at the pedestrian crossing on the North Campus just as you come over the bridge a few days ago, and when I was heading back to the library an hour later the second car (i.e the one closer to the legitimate parking space) had been clamped while the one in front was left alone.

Alt_Grrr

Turtyturd wrote: »

Is it random which cars get clamped?

No, usually not, but they could have run out of clamps and had to go get some more.

Laalaaa

Does anybody know where we actually collect our parking permits after we've applied for them?? :pac:

Evita

Hi guys, has anyone received their permit yet or have they even got back to you with the details of when and where to pick it up? I applied right away February 21st and have still not heard back from them. I rang them just there now but there is no option for NUI Maynooth on the automated message thingy. Is it just me who hasn't heard any word back from them? They said they'd get back within 3-4 working days so I'm getting worried and can't make that briefing tomorrow in the Venue.

markc1184

I've not heard anything yet either but there was a small leaflet on the car window today saying they commence from March 7th. IIRC there is an info day on tomorrow about it all. Might be worth dropping along and see can they answer any questions.

ash xxx

I gots this earlier today

"Dear Sir/Madam,
Thank you for processing your online permit registration with APCOA Parking Ireland on behalf of NUI Maynooth.
You are invited to collect your Parking Permit from the APCOA desk in the Foyer of the Iontas Building on Wednesday 2nd March between 10am and 12am and between 13pm to 14pm
In line with NUI Maynooth policies you are obliged to produce the following documentation for checking as evidence of entitlement to receive a NUI Maynooth Parking permit for the vehicle registration used in your online application.

• Vehicle Insurance Certificate
• Valid current Student ID card or other oroof of registration with NUI Maynooth.
• Any Photographic ID (including student ID card)

Please note you will not receive your permit if the correct documentation in not produced at time of collection.
Please forward any queries you may have to Ireland.permits@apcoa.ie
Yours Sincerely
APCOA Parking"


:rolleyes:

banquo

Words are hard.

Evita

Hi all, thanks for the info. I applied literally straight away Monday morning when they opened the facility for applying so I'm at a loss as to why they haven't contacted me yet. When did you apply ash just out of interest?
I sent them an email to that address they quote in your email earlier today and haven't received an answer. Unfortunately I can't make it to the briefing tomorrow but I guess they'd answer there There does not seem to be a phone number for their Maynooth operations so will just have to hope they email back I guess! Else I might just go along at the time they quote in your email ash! Pity they couldn't just keep people updated especially with the implementation next Monday.
Oh the stress of it all and trying to read that map of where you can park and where you can't is stressful enough

DingChavez

lol, the clowns still haven't sorted out the parking problem?

They should just convert the football fields to parking space. Sure a few people will have nowhere to play but millions will be on time for lectures!

the_syzygy

I registered for the permit last Monday too, and I've heard nothing either.

On a related but different note I've contacted four different people in NUIM regarding the documentation required to collect a permit. It's excessive, and after a little bit of research I'm pretty sure it's in breach of Data Protection rules.

Basically they can collect information that's relevant and necessary for the purpose, but may not collect excessive amounts of information. Points 1 and 2 in this link: http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/RightsPlainEnglish.htm&CatID=16&m=r

My point to them is that they don't need my license or my full insurance certificate in order for me to park a car. They don't even need my reg number in fairness (what happens if I have to borrow or hire a car if something happens to mine?)

Tonight I sent an email to the Presidents office as no one else is replying. I was perfectly willing to pay for a permit for this semester, but if they can't justify this sensibly I'm filing the complaint and parking in Tesco.

mp3guy

the_syzygy wrote: »

I registered for the permit last Monday too, and I've heard nothing either.

On a related but different note I've contacted four different people in NUIM regarding the documentation required to collect a permit. It's excessive, and after a little bit of research I'm pretty sure it's in breach of Data Protection rules.

Basically they can collect information that's relevant and necessary for the purpose, but may not collect excessive amounts of information. Points 1 and 2 in this link: http://www.dataprotection.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/rights/RightsPlainEnglish.htm&CatID=16&m=r

My point to them is that they don't need my license or my full insurance certificate in order for me to park a car. They don't even need my reg number in fairness (what happens if I have to borrow or hire a car if something happens to mine?)

Tonight I sent an email to the Presidents office as no one else is replying. I was perfectly willing to pay for a permit for this semester, but if they can't justify this sensibly I'm filing the complaint and parking in Tesco.

This is just a guess, but perhaps they're liable if an uninsured car is parked on campus?

<edit> Or if an unlicensed driver parks on campus.

My point is, it's not unreasonable to ask for those things, and why should people have qualms about providing them anyway? What have they got to hide.

Sounds to me that if you can't prove you're licensed and insured they won't give you a permit and hence they won't be liable for anything going wrong when and if you park on campus.

markc1184

What happens to people that live down the country with regards the insurance cert? My mate is from Cork, his cert is at his home address and he won't be home until the study week. Is there loopholes for situations like that or is it just a matter of having to travel down for it before he'll get his permit? I know he should probably have it up here with him but a cert would be the last thing on your mind when moving up.

the_syzygy

It's private property, and as such "cars parked at own risk..." yada yada yada. The university needs risk assessment and protection for many things, and parking land is most likely included in that. But my insurance does not cover or apply to their insurance.

As an aside there is a medical centre on campus, for that to be available should I be providing the original certification of my health and life insurance now also? This is a generalisation so I apologise, but it's one that illustrates my point well.

A driving license contains sensitive personal information. Your name, date of birth and a pic are all givens. It also includes a license number, and a license batch number. It lists and identifies medical conditions which may then affect your driving (spectacles etc). It lists what vehicles you may actually drive and there's also a little section to identify yourself as a donor.

How does any of that apply to whether or not I am eligible for a permit? It doesn't. Eligibility is derived from whether or not we are a registered student or member of staff. And my student card, with my student number, course, date of birth and photo provides more than adequate information.

So onto the insurance certificate. A document which lists my policy number, my reg number, my address, my cover period, my particulars of cover, the details of other people insured on my policy. If someone is involved in an accident on campus then either they are culpable via their insurance or personally should they have no insurance (and then legally with the Gardai also). If the accident is the fault of the University then it is their own policy which is affected, and the insurance state of approximately 2000 drivers will not affect that.

These two items are legal documents, issued to me under specific legal circumstances, governed by laws passed by this country and Europe. No private company can request them on spec. (Excluding banks etc, whole other laws regarding them).

EDIT: And now that I think about it a bit more, if the state of licenses and insurance affects parking lots (and their insurance) at all then how have I been parking in multistoreys, shopping centres, restaurant car parks, even outside my house?

markc1184 wrote: »

What happens to people that live down the country with regards the insurance cert? My mate is from Cork, his cert is at his home address and he won't be home until the study week. Is there loopholes for situations like that or is it just a matter of having to travel down for it before he'll get his permit? I know he should probably have it up here with him but a cert would be the last thing on your mind when moving up.

No he shouldn't have it with him, it's a valuable document. It should be kept very safely. Well if I get anywhere with the guys I've emailed I'll post it here, but until then he may need it. Or he could always tell them he's lost it.

Evita

Hi Guys, APCOA have been rather diabolocal at communicating to us. Funny how they've been tardy with everything except clamping people. As I said I applied for the permit straight away when they opened the application system and was told I'd receive info on where and when to pick up my permit within 3-4 working days. Yesterday was the 6th day and still no answer so I emailed and rang their Dublin branch until they gave me a proper answer and was eventually told there was a delay on permits but i could go in and pick it up today in the Iontas building between 10am-3pm. Turns out Wed-Friday this week, 10am-3pm you can pick it up there but they weren't going to bother telling me only for I rang and emailed them apparently. So there you go if you haven't heard just go in anyway. Oh and if they claim they can't find your permit there and then do not go away. Funny how they suddenly find it when you insist. Such hassle.
I also agree all the documentation is a pain (bring your insurance certificate, driver's licence and student card and wait in line for about 10 minutes) and I think it's disgusting what our college is doing letting a private company clamp cars like this. Many people don't live anywhere near public transport, can't car share because they live in the arsehole of nowhere or are doing research degrees and have very sporadic hours here.
Anyway bye boards.ie, just registered to ask had anyone got their permits because APCOA were not answering within the timeframe they stated.

cython

all-students@list.nuim.ie wrote:

Dear Student

I wish to advise all students that due to the large volume of applications for Parking Permits in recent days, APCOA Parking Management have advised the university that delays have regrettably been experienced in the processing of these applications. The issue of permits commenced on a staggered basis earlier this week, and every applicant will be contacted by APCOA Parking Management Ltd in the coming days with details of when and where their permits can be collected.

Enforcement of parking permits will now commence with effect from Monday 21 March, 2011 instead of Monday 7 March, 2011 as previously advised. This extra time will enable all applicants to receive their permits in good time ahead of the implementation date. No vehicle will be clamped for non-display of permits before 21 March 2011.

As the mid-term break is from 14th – 18th March, students who wish to obtain a parking permit are encouraged to do so without delay.


Mr Colm Nelson

Campus Services Officer

So, 2 more weeks in which to get permits issued.

the_syzygy

Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.

I still don't like this, but since it's not being retained then I'm more open to it. I don't like it though because it should be the student that is issued a permit and not the car, as the student will always be there, whereas the car may change. The system here is open to abuse by both the students and the clampers.

I was speaking with someone today though that obtained his permit with just his student card and his insurance disc. Apparently the driving license is not required at all. So even though there is a process stated it may be variable depending on who you see when collecting the permit.

On a second note apparently in excess of 1800 permit applications have been received. So better get in early if you want that space, permit or not!

Ostrom

Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.

cython

efla wrote: »

Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.

I can see the need for double yellows there, if it's the lines I'm thinking about. There have been plenty of times that I have seen someone badly parked there, resulting in a situation whereby someone legitimately parked on the gravel would have massive difficulty in getting their car out of a space. Reversing out of those legitimate spaces at the time would have been nigh on impossible, and reversing into the last space in an aisle isn't intuitive to some people when there isn't a car opposite the space.

TouchingVirus

efla wrote: »

Most regulars will know the car park behind bioscience yes?

The car park is bounded with two narrow entry roads, in between the spaces are arranged into a series of rows. Drove in about half an hour ago, it appears the small alcoves at the top of these rows have been double yellowed - sorry if I'm not explaining it very well. There are usually a few cars parked up there, since there is no way of driving back out onto the main internal college road once one turns into a row.

Second time I have seen a clamped car in under a week. The car is causing no obstruction to other cars, there are no entryways, no corners, emergency vehicle entry points or any possible need for the space to be free.

I'm in rough agreement with the need for effective management (which this f**king permit system is far from), but there are a number of such 'regular' spots aorund I'm beginning to notice.

That's been double-yellowed for months now, it was always ignored though.

the_syzygy wrote: »

Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.

I still don't like this, but since it's not being retained then I'm more open to it. I don't like it though because it should be the student that is issued a permit and not the car, as the student will always be there, whereas the car may change. The system here is open to abuse by both the students and the clampers.

I really don't get where you're coming from. The Drivers License is an acceptable form of ID when purchasing alcohol or trying to enter a pub, sure any bouncer could glance and see where you're from or if you've got a condition. It is no big deal, really.

In fact, it's probably more suitable to have to provide a driver's license for a permit because they don't want to give non-Drivers parking permits so they can just pass them off to their friends or people who work in Maynooth town who'll park on campus and take valid student spaces.

As far as I'm aware, your Reg number does not appear anywhere on the permit. There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.

the_syco

the_syzygy wrote: »

Got word back today from the Director of Corporate Services. APCOA will not be photocopying, or retaining any of the personal information provided. They say that this stuff is requested merely to validate ownership, some connection to the vehicle for which a permit is requested.

This makes sense. This is to ensure that the car is owned by the student, and not someone wanting a free place to park their car whilst they get the bus to work, after dropping said student to college.

TouchingVirus wrote: »

There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.

Reg could be easy enough to... change, alter, etc. Barcode, not so. Thus I'd say it is the latter.

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It'll be fun when lecturers start getting clamped: then you'll see sh|t hit the fan

the_syzygy

TouchingVirus wrote: »

That's been double-yellowed for months now, it was always ignored though.



I really don't get where you're coming from. The Drivers License is an acceptable form of ID when purchasing alcohol or trying to enter a pub, sure any bouncer could glance and see where you're from or if you've got a condition. It is no big deal, really.

In fact, it's probably more suitable to have to provide a driver's license for a permit because they don't want to give non-Drivers parking permits so they can just pass them off to their friends or people who work in Maynooth town who'll park on campus and take valid student spaces.

As far as I'm aware, your Reg number does not appear anywhere on the permit. There may be a barcode though, which would probably tie in to the reg number the permit was given to. I'll have to check my own one to confirm.

In fact it is a big deal. I don't use my driving license or passport for any other reason than which I obtained them, and the only people I ever show them to are representatives of state. If you think I don't think it's ok to show my license to parking attendants what makes you think I'd be willing to show it bouncers or the guy in O'Briens?

This information is private and that's what my point is. It's not to be given out freely. We give too much of ourselves away for free, and because we're told we have to to. Most people aren't aware of alternatives, and so they give up sensitive private information for no good reason.

The Garda provide and Age Card, should you be in the mood for beer. They also provide a form (M111 I think), that is a legally acceptable alternative to other photo ID when opening bank accounts. This sin't because they want the extra work, it's because your other ID has a specific function, and it is not to suit the whimsy and interest of the service industry.

Your reg number does not appear on your license, your license number, and your license batch number appear just under your photograph.

And since NUI Maynooth are not guaranteeing spaces it doesn't matter how many students get a permit, drivers or not. As I said they were already in the process of issuing 500 more permits than there are spaces (1800+ permit requests, ~1350 spaces), so it's not as if we've got a solution here.

And if you're curious as to just how much information you've already given away for free, google yourself, and your usernames. And then remember that this info is cached. And unless Google get another state request for information which leads them to destroy the cache then it will all exist somewhere forever, and anyone with a little effort can find it.

Absolute Zero

uhh, just got the email about the parking permits but im not in Maynooth today so what now?. Can i collect it on monday?