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threat to blockade the whole of Ireland

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  • #32
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    keithclancy wrote: »
    84 lats is 118.53 euros

    Ah right - I missed that! Anyone know how much 4.89 Zloty's are?


  • #33
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Ah right - I missed that! Anyone know how much 4.89 Zloty's are?


    **its written on the bloody page** :pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • #34
    Raskolnikov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    Petrol prices are really only coming into line with the rest of Europe at this stage.


  • #35
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,536 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Lads, its all good and well saying to reduce the duty on fuel. So what happens after that when there is a shortfall in the exchequer? Slap it onto motor tax, people will then be looking for that to be reduced too. The shortfall has to made back so they move on to making the money back by closing hospitals, etc. People will then go out and protest against that too. The cylce continues. I hate paying the current fuel prices the same as the next person but unless there is a realistic alternative without the loss in tax revenue gained from fuel duty then I cannot see any incoming Government entertaining the notion.

    To use a metaphor, FG/Labour have just been given the keys to a crumbling house, they are not about to pull a brick out from one of the supporting walls.


  • #36
    Wolverine_1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Wolverine_1999


    Raskolnikov wrote: »
    Petrol prices are really only coming into line with the rest of Europe at this stage.

    See my post above.. people are charged based on how much they drive, not how much they own.


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  • #37
    mawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Ah right - I missed that! Anyone know how much 4.89 Zloty's are?

    www.xe.com


  • #38
    Wolverine_1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Wolverine_1999


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Lads, its all good and well saying to reduce the duty on fuel. So what happens after that when there is a shortfall in the exchequer? Slap it onto motor tax, people will then be looking for that to be reduced too. The shortfall has to made back so they move on to making the money back by closing hospitals, etc. People will then go out and protest against that too. The cylce continues.

    I hate paying the current fuel prices too but unless there is a realistic alternative without the loss in tax revenue gained from fuel duty then I cannot see any incoming Government entertaining the notion.

    To use a metaphor, FG/Labour have just been given the keys to a crumbling house, they are not about to pull a brick out from one of the supporting walls.

    The problem is not with how much Ireland is taking in.. there will be a tax on air coming soon I wouldn't be surprised.

    Social welfare benefits, rent allowance, etc. - they government are promoting doing nothing in this country as you are nearly better off than working in some instances.

    They are spending too much!


  • #39
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    mawk wrote: »
    www.xe.com

    €1.23

    While I find our prices a little extreme it's not that bad when you consider Eastern European countries where the avg wage is a fraction of ours.


  • #40
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,110 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    ghostdancer wrote: »
    if they cut the duty on petrol/diesel, they'll just make the shortfall back up in motor tax increases, or some other motor-related payment....

    There is no shortfall, the budget accounted for petrol retailing at around €1.30 a litre, they simply need to max the duty payable up to a rate of €1.30 a litre and exempt any duties over this.


  • #41
    alanclarke1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭alanclarke1975


    11 c estimated is the Retailers margin.

    My ar$e

    How come i bought Diesel at 1.409 in one place and my Local Fuel Supplier is looking 1.479

    Thats a 7 cent a litre difference. I put 45 quid into the car. Roughly 32 litres

    The same amount would of cost me €47.3 from my local fella.

    100 cars a day * 6 Days a week. - thats over 1000 euro a week in rip off profit...


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  • #42
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    alanclarke1975 wrote: »
    11 c estimated is the Retailers margin.

    My ar$e

    How come i bought Diesel at 1.409 in one place and my Local Fuel Supplier is looking 1.479

    Thats a 7 cent a litre difference. I put 45 quid into the car. Roughly 32 litres

    The same amount would of cost me €47.3 from my local fella.

    100 cars a day * 6 Days a week. - thats over 1000 euro a week in rip off profit...

    Its a 10 cent margin here in NL.
    You might find one garage with a 10cent discount for 1 week, they do a coast and burn
    I.E. get a load of people in one week and then the next week as people will stop anyway.
    Usually they'll try and hock some other stuff (Coffee cups food, sweets etc)


  • #43
    ootbitb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭ootbitb


    think McLaughlin cares little about petrol prices. He is seeking some derogation on fuel hikes for haulage firms which should benefit everyone.

    No chance of a cut in petrol prices I'm afraid which hurts rural dwellers most.


  • #44
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    alanclarke1975 wrote: »
    11 c estimated is the Retailers margin.

    My ar$e

    How come i bought Diesel at 1.409 in one place and my Local Fuel Supplier is looking 1.479

    Thats a 7 cent a litre difference. I put 45 quid into the car. Roughly 32 litres

    The same amount would of cost me €47.3 from my local fella.

    100 cars a day * 6 Days a week. - thats over 1000 euro a week in rip off profit...

    Actually, if I'm not mistaken 11c is a little generous. Most petrol stations make very small margin on fuel, there money is made with sale of coffee, papers, deli, etc.

    There's a user here Hammertime that is an operator in the business and IIRC he says mark up is 2.5-7.5%, averaging around the 5% mark. Therefore the average GP on a litre @ €1.50 / litre would be 7.5c.


  • #45
    996tt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭996tt


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Lads, its all good and well saying to reduce the duty on fuel. So what happens after that when there is a shortfall in the exchequer? Slap it onto motor tax, people will then be looking for that to be reduced too. The shortfall has to made back so they move on to making the money back by closing hospitals, etc. People will then go out and protest against that too. The cylce continues. I hate paying the current fuel prices the same as the next person but unless there is a realistic alternative without the loss in tax revenue gained from fuel duty then I cannot see any incoming Government entertaining the notion.

    To use a metaphor, FG/Labour have just been given the keys to a crumbling house, they are not about to pull a brick out from one of the supporting walls.

    Carbon levy was introduced in 2010 budget(so december 2009) when average petrol prices were 1.20, they are now 1.50 and rising fast, if they get rid of the carbon levy they will still make their carbon levy tax target(set in 2010) on the vat portion of the increase alone(ignoring the other taxes);

    VAT @21%
    Increase in price per litre between now and dec 09= 30c
    => Comparing December 2009 to now the government are getting over 0.06c extra per litre for petrol because of the price increase alone(this is ignoring the VAT that they also get on the 1.20 portion)


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    There is no shortfall, the budget accounted for petrol retailing at around €1.30 a litre, they simply need to max the duty payable up to a rate of €1.30 a litre and exempt any duties over this.
    996tt wrote: »
    Carbon levy was introduced in 2010 budget(so december 2009) when average petrol prices were 1.20, they are now 1.50 and rising fast, if they get rid of the carbon levy they will still make their carbon levy tax target(set in 2010) on the vat portion of the increase alone(ignoring the other taxes);

    VAT @21%
    Increase in price per litre between now and dec 09= 30c
    => Comparing December 2009 to now the government are getting over 0.06c extra per litre for petrol because of the price increase alone(this is ignoring the VAT that they also get on the 1.20 portion)

    Very good points there. If the new government actually sat down and made a gesture to the motorist that ensured we would pay no extra carbon tax etc despite rises in fuel they would I reckon reap the rewards in the next election. A little gesture would go along way.


  • #47
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    996tt wrote: »
    Carbon levy was introduced in 2010 budget(so december 2009) when average petrol prices were 1.20, they are now 1.50 and rising fast, if they get rid of the carbon levy they will still make their carbon levy tax target(set in 2010) on the vat portion of the increase alone(ignoring the other taxes);

    VAT @21%
    Increase in price per litre between now and dec 09= 30c
    => Comparing December 2009 to now the government are getting over 0.06c extra per litre for petrol because of the price increase alone(this is ignoring the VAT that they also get on the 1.20 portion)

    they should just turn most / all of the duty on diesel into VAT , that way the retarded new breed of tax sheep diesel lovers who bought cars post 08 to do a few miles will be hit and hauliers, reps, self employed people and other businesses wont be hit


  • #48
    billyboy01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 270 ✭✭billyboy01


    Well if you can't afford the cost of the fuel for your car, Simply don't drive! QED!

    Just walk or get on your bike! If you were conned into moving out to Cavan, Carlow, Kildare etc... and commute to work in Dublin.

    Quit your job or get diggs in the three R's.:D Only joking, seriously the new Mopets we recently elected. Have to reduce or suspend the excise duty on fuel.

    Or there are going to have thousands more on the DOLE due to fuel poverty!


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    that way the retarded new breed of tax sheep diesel lovers who bought cars post 08 to do a few miles

    Dude, even I wouldn't say that :pac:


  • #50
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    alanclarke1975 wrote: »
    11 c estimated is the Retailers margin.

    My ar$e

    How come i bought Diesel at 1.409 in one place and my Local Fuel Supplier is looking 1.479

    Thats a 7 cent a litre difference. I put 45 quid into the car. Roughly 32 litres

    The same amount would of cost me €47.3 from my local fella.

    100 cars a day * 6 Days a week. - thats over 1000 euro a week in rip off profit...

    It's not 11 cents for the retailer, it's 11 cents for the retailer and distributors, shared between them. Not a great margin to be honest.
    The bulk of a retailers income comes from shop sales. The guy with the cheaper prices probably has lower overheads and/or better shop sales.


  • #51
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    slimjimmc wrote: »
    It's not 11 cents for the retailer, it's 11 cents for the retailer and distributors, shared between them. Not a great margin to be honest.
    The bulk of a retailers income comes from shop sales. The guy with the cheaper prices probably has lower overheads and/or better shop sales.

    I know one person who runs a petrol station (Amber) and he thinks the price is a joke. He makes just 3cent for every litre he sells. This 3 cent a litre has to cover people putting in say €20.03 and only paying €20 and of course the ever rising scourge of drive offs that only effect the retailer.


    An interesting comment from a poster on breaking news gave the break down of figures as
    Current average petrol price: 151.9
    Current Vat: 26.36c/litre
    Fixed Duty: 59.622c/litre
    Government take: 85.98c/litre
    Cost before tax & duty: 65.92c/litre
    Retailer & distributor margin (est): 11c/litre
    Base petrol price (est): 54.92

    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hauliers-will-bring-country-to-standstill-over-petrol-prices-496389.html#idc-cover#ixzz1G2My2E9L

    Quite simply it is up to the incoming government to reduce the duty/vat/carbon tax (I love how the put down different names its all bloody tax)


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  • #52
    Shane732
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,006 ✭✭✭Shane732


    alanclarke1975 wrote: »
    11 c estimated is the Retailers margin.

    My ar$e

    How come i bought Diesel at 1.409 in one place and my Local Fuel Supplier is looking 1.479

    Thats a 7 cent a litre difference. I put 45 quid into the car. Roughly 32 litres

    The same amount would of cost me €47.3 from my local fella.

    100 cars a day * 6 Days a week. - thats over 1000 euro a week in rip off profit...

    I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The margin on petrol is tiny.


  • #53
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Shane732 wrote: »
    I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The margin on petrol is tiny.

    True as questionmark said above it is only about 3c. My brother had a filling station about 10 years ago and the profit was 1p that time.


  • #54
    C4Kid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭C4Kid


    that way the retarded new breed of tax sheep diesel lovers who bought cars post 08 to do a few miles


    A little stronger then I would have put it, but I have to agree with his point of view and theres some truth in it. I would say that , driving my 1.4 with €333 tax :(


  • #55
    Solnskaya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    billyboy01 wrote: »
    Well if you can't afford the cost of the fuel for your car, Simply don't drive! QED!

    Just walk or get on your bike! If you were conned into moving out to Cavan, Carlow, Kildare etc... and commute to work in Dublin.

    Quit your job or get diggs in the three R's.:D Only joking, seriously the new Mopets we recently elected. Have to reduce or suspend the excise duty on fuel.

    Or there are going to have thousands more on the DOLE due to fuel poverty!
    The thread is about road hauliers blocading, not car owners. To just put it into perspective, a trucker pulling in to fill up and purchasing a single fill of say 600 litres is spending just shy of €900.00, for 1 fill. This is simply killing the industry. When the hauliers have gone bust, just how much revenue do you think the govt dim wits will be collecting from them?? The short sighted twats setting our policies do not seem to appreciate that higher fuel prices due to excessive taxation simply depress economic activity and contribute directly to unemployment. We really are ruled by muppets with no vision whatsoever.


  • #56
    thirtythirty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭thirtythirty


    I've just started pissing in my petrol tank - it's the same colour and after a particularly heavy weekend it's just as flammable.


  • #57
    alanclarke1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭alanclarke1975


    Petrol retailers are a strange breed - they seem to be very willing to tell everyone how little they make...

    Now what other industry is like that?....

    Pull the other one.

    So if Station A is making 11c why is station B not making 19c a litre?

    or

    If Station A is only making 7c station B not making 14c?

    This local garage is consistently an expensive place to buy fuel. Is it a case where people still don't look at the prices?


  • #58
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    OK, my guess is that nothing will happen, fuel will continue to go up and might reach the E2 barrier, but don't forget, VAT will go up to 23%, so that's another few cent on top.
    But don't worry, I'm sure the next hike in motor tax is already planned, as for VRT, don't hold any hopes of going any other way than up.
    This will drive up the price of everything else, but your pay packet will also be hit with more tax increases.
    This will lead to more job losses and people losing their houses, causing the banks to lose money and jack up interest.
    This could just push the country over the edge to total economic collapse.
    One expert predicted Ireland will be the poorest country in Europe, we will yet envy Greece and Spain.
    I'm being totally serious here, it has been tried before to tax the country out of a recession, didn't work then, won't work now, it will be 20 years before Ireland is recovered and I mean at year 2000 levels. In the year 2030.


  • #59
    -Chris-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,035 ✭✭✭✭-Chris-


    alanclarke1975 wrote: »
    Petrol retailers are a strange breed - they seem to be very willing to tell everyone how little they make...

    Now what other industry is like that?....

    Pull the other one.

    So if Station A is making 11c why is station B not making 19c a litre?

    or

    If Station A is only making 7c station B not making 14c?

    This local garage is consistently an expensive place to buy fuel. Is it a case where people still don't look at the prices?

    You're probably better off asking that question in the business forums, we're the buyers, not the sellers, here.


  • #60
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »
    OK, my guess is that nothing will happen, fuel will continue to go up and might reach the E2 barrier, but don't forget, VAT will go up to 23%, so that's another few cent on top.
    But don't worry, I'm sure the next hike in motor tax is already planned, as for VRT, don't hold any hopes of going any other way than up.
    This will drive up the price of everything else, but your pay packet will also be hit with more tax increases.
    This will lead to more job losses and people losing their houses, causing the banks to lose money and jack up interest.
    This could just push the country over the edge to total economic collapse.
    One expert predicted Ireland will be the poorest country in Europe, we will yet envy Greece and Spain.
    I'm being totally serious here, it has been tried before to tax the country out of a recession, didn't work then, won't work now, it will be 20 years before Ireland is recovered and I mean at year 2000 levels. In the year 2030.

    You hardly work for The Samaritans do you?:(


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  • #61
    alanclarke1975
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭alanclarke1975


    -Chris- wrote: »
    You're probably better off asking that question in the business forums, we're the buyers, not the sellers, here.


    Huh?

    And the rest should head off to the politics forums? :)

    Heard John Mc on the Last word with Matt Cooper, Conor F from the AA was also on.

    Conor F made a good point. That the cost of fuel is actually so high that the revenue is probably getting reduced, thanks to Hauliers going out of business, People not driving as much as they used to etc.

    He maintained that if the price was to come down, more of it would sell and the revenue would be up...


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