PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

JimsAlterEgo · 07-03-2011 09:11AM

youre preaching to the blinkered!

Sgt Pepper 64 · 07-03-2011 09:11AM

keano_afc wrote: »

As an Arsenal fan, great result. Entertaining game, but this thread has it beat hands down. Super stuff.

You must be Wengers lovechild, cos this thread is like watching UK Gold

"It was a really bad tackle"

"No it wasnt"

"Heres a pic, (the same pic every time!)

Repeat ad nauseum!!!

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:12AM

Frisbee wrote: »

If Rafeal has have missed the ball that was a red card all day. The fact that he got the ball and Lucas managed to avoid being clattered is what saved him from getting a red.

Carragher didn't get the ball and nearly broke Nani's shin in two.

How often do you see a small nimble player getting tackled like that by a defender? The fact is, some players are too fast for their own good. Nani got the ball under control and flicked it away after Carragher had started making the tackle.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:15AM

cournioni wrote: »

Yeah, just after Rodriguez went in with the studs pointed at Rafael's knee. At least Rafael got the ball.

This fella got the ball too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvhpPtXKR0

cournioni · 07-03-2011 09:15AM

Melion wrote: »

How often do you see a small nimble player getting tackled like that by a defender? The fact is, some players are too fast for their own good. Nani got the ball under control and flicked it away after Carragher had started making the tackle.

So its Nani's fault that Carragher went through him with his studs knee high? You're a joker man.

Frisbee · 07-03-2011 09:15AM

Melion wrote: »

How often do you see a small nimble player getting tackled like that by a defender? The fact is, some players are too fast for their own good. Nani got the ball under control and flicked it away after Carragher had started making the tackle.

Preaching to the converted. We've seen enough leg breaks in our squad the past few years to really make this kind of tackle píss me off.

Carragher may have gone in with some intention of getting the ball. But, IMO, he's was more concerned with letting Nani 'know he was there'. There was no need to go in at full pace and with his foot that high. It was a cowardly challenge.

#15 · 07-03-2011 09:15AM

Melion wrote: »

The fact is, some players are too fast for their own good.

I agree, it was Nani's fault. He shouldn't be so fast, it causes slow players to make shít tackles.:rolleyes:

Honestly, in the cold light of day, wouldn't you be better off admitting that it was an awful challenge?

Liverpool were still deserved winners, regardless of the tackle.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:18AM

You lads seem so concerned on my opinion of his tackle, i stated last night that he should have got a red and the hilarious reaction of Nani and his previous form for theatrics are what kept Carra on the pitch.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:19AM

Frisbee wrote: »

Preaching to the converted. We've seen enough leg breaks in our squad the past few years to really make this kind of tackle píss me off.

Carragher may have gone in with some intention of getting the ball. But, IMO, he's was more concerned with letting Nani 'know he was there'. There was no need to go in at full pace and with his foot that high. It was a cowardly challenge.

He was letting Nani know he was there, no doubt about it. If he had won the ball first and then clattered Nani in the same way, would there be the same outrage?

citytillidie · 07-03-2011 09:24AM

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

Yeah, then you didn't answer my question.

If you thought Gerrard's tackle in the FA cup wasn't a sending off, then do you think Rafael's tackle wasn't a sending off either?

It should have been a free kick which would have left players in a different position and therefore Gerrard's challenge would not have happened and Liverpool would have still had 11 players, using his logic

#15 · 07-03-2011 09:24AM

Melion wrote: »

You lads seem so concerned on my opinion of his tackle, i stated last night that he should have got a red and the hilarious reaction of Nani and his previous form for theatrics are what kept Carra on the pitch.

So if he should have seen red, why on earth are you still arguing with people?

This thread is a classic. I've never seen a thread where some fans of both teams go into meltdown at the same time.

A truly bizarre thread.

Frisbee · 07-03-2011 09:25AM

Melion wrote: »

If he had won the ball first and then clattered Nani in the same way, would there be the same outrage?

Of course not. If he had got the ball and then clattered Nani then the ref would have been within his rights to just give a yellow. As it was though it should have been red. I still don't agree with that tbh, but it's what would have happened.

Similairly the only thing that saved Rafeal from not getting a red from his challenge was that he got the ball. If Lucas nicks that away then it's one of the worst challenges of the season.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:26AM

#15 wrote: »

So if he should have seen red, why on earth are you still arguing with people?

This thread is a classic. I've never seen a thread where some fans of both teams go into meltdown at the same time.

A truly bizarre thread.

Who am i arguing with?
All i have said this morning is that it wasnt a knee high tackle.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:29AM

Frisbee wrote: »

Of course not. If he had got the ball and then clattered Nani then the ref would have been within his rights to just give a yellow. As it was though it should have been red. I still don't agree with that tbh, but it's what would have happened.

Similairly the only thing that saved Rafeal from not getting a red from his challenge was that he got the ball. If Lucas nicks that away then it's one of the worst challenges of the season.

Where is the line though?
The video i posted a few minutes ago, the player got the ball and nearly killed the other player, obviously a red. If Carragher played the ball, followed through and actually did break Nanis leg, what would the reaction have been to that? It was a fair tackle but Nani is now out for 6-8 months if not longer. Would United fans be ok with saying, "Nani might be out, but Carragher got the ball so its ok"?

#15 · 07-03-2011 09:30AM

Melion wrote: »

it wasnt a knee high tackle.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:31AM

#15 wrote: »

What is it you're trying to prove?
That just shows that he didnt touch his knee

Frisbee · 07-03-2011 09:33AM

Melion wrote: »

Where is the line though?
The video i posted a few minutes ago, the player got the ball and nearly killed the other player, obviously a red. If Carragher played the ball, followed through and actually did break Nanis leg, what would the reaction have been to that?

IMO that shouldn't be allowed.

But in the twisted mindset of the FA where 'Men are Men' and 'tackling is going out of the game', that would be perfectly acceptable probably.

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:35AM

Id like to see how this would be viewed by the FA nowadays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cxkumm22Ro

****ing perfect tackle, that would probably result in Parker being sent off if he did it now.

Vudgie · 07-03-2011 09:39AM

I am a Liverpool fan but whatever way you look at it Carragher's tackle was a bad one, I think he has admittd that himself. I think Nani's reputation and theatrics go against him at times but in this case he did get clattered. Carragher made a similar enough tackle on Pienaar in the Derby last year.

It looks as though Nani wasn't wearing shinpads though, can anyone confirm this or did he pull it out afterwards?

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:40AM

He was wearing shinpads

Vudgie · 07-03-2011 09:42AM

Melion wrote: »

Where is the line though?
The video i posted a few minutes ago, the player got the ball and nearly killed the other player, obviously a red. If Carragher played the ball, followed through and actually did break Nanis leg, what would the reaction have been to that? It was a fair tackle but Nani is now out for 6-8 months if not longer. Would United fans be ok with saying, "Nani might be out, but Carragher got the ball so its ok"?

Any update on his injury yet and how long he could be out for?

Melion · 07-03-2011 09:43AM

Vudgie wrote: »

Any update on his injury yet and how long he could be out for?

I said last night, id be very confident he will play in Uniteds next game. Some peoples reactions last night would make you think he is out until Euro 2012 though.

SantryRed · 07-03-2011 09:44AM

This thread is pure sh1te.

What exactly are you all arguing about? I don't get it

It was a bad tackle by Carragher. As that picture Melion shows, Carragher's heel of his boot his Nani above his shinpad first and obviously pushes the thing down.

IITYWYBMAD · 07-03-2011 09:52AM

Frisbee wrote: »

If Rafeal has have missed the ball that was a red card all day. The fact that he got the ball and Lucas managed to avoid being clattered is what saved him from getting a red.

Carragher didn't get the ball and nearly broke Nani's shin in two.

And yet Nani with his shin "nearly in 2" was able to get up, run 15 yards towards the REF. Remonstrate with him. Grab his face, and then, suddenly remember that it was actually his shin and not his head that was the problem?

Gimme a break FFS.

Nani is typical of the type of player who's reputation precedes him. If it had been Scholes or Gerrard for example, it probably would have been a sending off. But because this prima f**king donna carries on to his liking week in and week out, he is simple no longer believed.

Carragher should have been sent off. So should Rafael. They weren't. Get over it.

The Muppet · 07-03-2011 09:54AM

Thuggery of the highest order from Carragher, that said Liverpool were the better team on the day and wanted it more, they deserved their win.

#15 · 07-03-2011 09:56AM

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Nani is typical of the type of player who's reputation precedes him. If it had been Scholes or Gerrard for example, it probably would have been a sending off. But because this prima f**king donna carries on to his liking week in and week out, he is simple no longer believed.

Gerrard is a poor example. He is another of the prima donna posse.

Kuyt/Lucas would be an example of a decent honest player.

cournioni · 07-03-2011 10:06AM

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

And yet Nani with his shin "nearly in 2" was able to get up, run 15 yards towards the REF. Remonstrate with him. Grab his face, and then, suddenly remember that it was actually his shin and not his head that was the problem?

Gimme a break FFS.

Nani is typical of the type of player who's reputation precedes him. If it had been Scholes or Gerrard for example, it probably would have been a sending off. But because this prima f**king donna carries on to his liking week in and week out, he is simple no longer believed.

Carragher should have been sent off. So should Rafael. They weren't. Get over it.

The issue is that Carragher has a habit of doing this and getting away with it. If it had been Rooney the papers would be dominated by stories about how he kills babies on the front and back pages.

Nani has been our best player this season so far and had to be strechered off yesterday as a result of that "challenge". So no, we won't give you a break. We've heard enough ****e over the week gone by about how Rooney should have been suspended, so now you have to listen to us.

In the last two games:

Chelsea were given a debatable penalty.
Luiz should have been sent off, twice.
Carragher should have been sent off.
Rodriguez should have been sent off.

Dublin_Gunner · 07-03-2011 10:07AM

The Muppet wrote: »

Thuggery of the highest order from Carragher, that said Liverpool were the better team on the day and wanted it more, they deserved their win.

Serious lol.

It was a bad tackle. Rafael's tackle was as bad. Both got yellows, could've gotten reds.

Liverpool won 3-1.

End of story.

Will I Amnt · 07-03-2011 10:08AM

Melion wrote: »

You lads seem so concerned on my opinion of his tackle, i stated last night that he should have got a red and the hilarious reaction of Nani and his previous form for theatrics are what kept Carra on the pitch.

Yet you're trying to defend him now by saying nani is too quick for his own good,you really don't have a clue and I think you're confusing yourself at this stage

IITYWYBMAD · 07-03-2011 10:09AM

#15 wrote: »

Gerrard is a poor example. He is another of the prima donna posse.

Kuyt/Lucas would be an example of a decent honest player.

I'd challenge you on that, but I couldn't be arsed tbh. Plenty of example out there of Nani and others acting in this manner. Like I said Carragher should have been sent off, so should Curly, they weren't boo f**king hoo.

IMO it would have made shag all difference to the result, and Manu were out-thought and out-played by Liverpool. Serious issues for them in midfield, and no cover in CH positions, Berba back to his usual anonymous self, and Rooney looking like he's never kicked a ball.

My advice to all those bitching and moaning would be to get over it and concentrate on the glaring deficiencies in the Manu team.

SAF acting like a spoilt child after the game, and refusing to give interviews, just demonstrates the level of maturity being meted out in the dressing room.

PL: Liverpool v Manchester United. 6/3/2011, KO 1330.

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