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anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sharkie66 wrote: »

    Lets hope that he doesn't! Gerry wouldn't that's for sure!
    How do you know ?
    Gerry likes compromise and rightly so.
    He's compromised on a united Ireland.He's compromised on a budget in the North that includes severe cuts and he compromised on policing in the North.

    You can be pretty sure that when SF gets into government in the south,there'll be compromises just as big as those three.There'll have to be.

    This thread has become a great big yawnfest by the way.
    The elections over.
    The people have spoken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Irish Fire


    This thread has become a great big yawnfest by the way.
    The elections over.
    The people have spoken.

    At last somebody said it.........

    If the OP should ask to close the thread.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    Irish Fire wrote: »
    At last somebody said it.........

    If the OP should ask to close the thread.......
    yes please close it.
    i too am bored as two of the more outspoken anti S/F contributors have failed to engage with any of what Ive posted, namely a black briar and a lord sutch with merely a little sarcasm {the lowest form of humour} from the latter.
    for what its worth, i have suggested this government will only last between 12-18 months, the reasons aren't very complicated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    Simply put we the
    Irish
    people can not afford this IMF/EU loan even with a 2% reduction in interest rates now being applied {which wont happen the most we can hope for from our spineless new leader would be a 1% reduction on a portion of the loan}
    hence a combined effect of unemployment, mortgage arrears, rising mortgage interest rates,
    families
    being
    separated
    by forced
    emigration
    and a health
    service
    that is worsening by the day not improving, to name but a few all this will bring about a revolt and afterwards another general election where i will be voting S/F


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    The Irish people as with people who have experienced trauma through varying circumstances , become tolerant to certain amounts of pain and their confidence stagnates at a low ebb for a period, i believe that we have reached this numb state, but there always comes an awakening, a watershed, when for example the people may finally realise that they truly are the innocent victims and that the are being oppressed and made to pay and endure pain because of someone else's greed.
    this is when it can get quiet ugly when the people lash out and a revolution takes place, but this is a natural human reaction and happens throughout the world to varying degrees depending on the pain being endured by the people, ireland will be no different


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    But ireland will be better for it and we WILL recover when S/F and the united left alliance are returned as our next government, with Pearce doherty at the tiller and Joe Higgins as first mate, we the Irish people will navigate this storm, to calmer waters, where all the children of the nation will be cherished equally. Erin go brach. slan libh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    I just hope that the average member of the Irish electorate isn't too proud to admit their mistake when, despite savage cutbacks in public services and taxes to levels that impoverish the majority of workers, we default on our IMF loan anyway because we were lied to about being able to afford it.
    I agree, 12-18 months and bye bye Kenny/Gilmore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    SEVERA wrote: »
    But ireland will be better for it and we WILL recover when S/F and the united left alliance are returned as our next government, with Pearce doherty at the tiller and Joe Higgins as first mate, we the Irish people will navigate this storm, to calmer waters, where all the children of the nation will be cherished equally. Erin go brach. slan libh.


    Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out
    Were you on crack cocaine when you "worked out" that Ireland can repay the IMF/EU bailout?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    SEVERA wrote: »
    yes please close it.
    i too am bored as two of the more outspoken anti S/F contributors have failed to engage with any of what Ive posted, namely a black briar and a lord sutch with merely a little sarcasm {the lowest form of humour} from the latter.
    for what its worth, i have suggested this government will only last between 12-18 months, the reasons aren't very complicated

    My View :The Government will last up to the time when general and widespread industrial unrest becomes an issue. The unrest will be a result of increasing inflation and higher interest rates, while at the same time employers not giving pay increases . Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.
    However this scenario will see the Irish voter moving back towards the right and so no good news for SF............... We are saved from that TG


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Were you on crack cocaine when you "worked out" that Ireland can repay the IMF/EU bailout?

    Can you please tell me where in the above post or on this thread I suggested or even slightly hinted that we can repay the IMF/EU bailout.

    Did all you Shinners attend the same school of spin the truth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I just hope that the average member of the Irish electorate isn't too proud to admit their mistake when, despite savage cutbacks in public services and taxes to levels that impoverish the majority of workers, we default on our IMF loan anyway because we were lied to about being able to afford it.
    I agree, 12-18 months and bye bye Kenny/Gilmore.


    And I just hope that the Shinners can accept the majority choice. I appreciate that doing so will be a new experience for you all


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.
    Hilarious. Unfortunately for your theory I think you'll find Labour get a pittance from the Irish unions. You sure you've got the right country there mate?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Were you and Ming having a "smoke" when you worked this out
    ha nice one :D but i have not being smoking or drinking.
    my advise to you is vote S/F when the opportuntity arrises for you again,
    in fact you will be glad to when it comes,
    we are in for one rough ride over the next 18 months and there will be many leave this country, but hold strong the reward will be worth it in the end for you and future generations to come.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Did all you Shinners attend the same school of spin the truth
    No idea what you're on about, do you?
    Why would "shinners" "spin the truth" when the truth is Ireland can't pay the debt? Shouting from the rooftops required rather than "spin".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Solnskaya


    Without wishing to add to the rabble rousing, I believe that the FG Labour coalition will have little choice but to run along the rail laid for them and us by the Outgoing govt. Sadly, this rail does not lead to a happy garden, but rather it leads off a cliff, and I would imagine that within 12-14 months, most of us will be in little doubt that we have reached the edge. And yes, for the first time, I voted SF.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    And I just hope that the Shinners can accept the majority choice. I appreciate that doing so will be a new experience for you all
    Let's see the bank bailout and public service cuts be put to a referendum and we'll see about "majority choice".
    Oh, and I guess you're another one too proud to admit you made a mistake about the unions being Labour's "paymasters"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hilarious. Unfortunately for your theory I think you'll find Labour get a pittance from the Irish unions. You sure you've got the right country there mate?:D

    Mate.......... A very British saying for a Shinner. :D:D:D

    You are really getting into the spirit of it now for Lizzies visit


    A Chara
    There are 12 Unions affiliated to the Irish Labour Party, this is not counting general party membership who are also Union members and are in the various branches of the Labour party. The Labour Party without the involvement of the Unions would be very much diluted. The Unions are pay master for the Labour Party in many ways other than cash and have a significant influence at conference and on the National Executive. But out of interest I should inform you that SIPTU gave over €100,000 to the Labour Party last year. That is one of the 12 unions. I do appreciate that this is small fry compared to the funds that SF get from their main backers. The Northern Bank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Let's see the bank bailout and public service cuts be put to a referendum and we'll see about "majority choice".
    Oh, and I guess you're another one too proud to admit you made a mistake about the unions being Labour's "paymasters"?

    Another One ....... why is there more ?



    I didn’t mention anything about Bank Bail Out or Public Service Cuts. Please stop making up the fantasies.
    You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our dail


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    Mate.......... A very British saying for a Shinner. :D:D:D
    That whooshing noise over your head?
    "mate" was a hint for which country's Labour party gets significant union funding.
    Hardly the first obvious thing you've missed in your life though, yes?
    Fitzerb wrote: »
    There are 12 Unions affiliated to the Irish Labour Party waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle
    Tell us how much the Labour party gets off their union "paymasters" IN EUROS please. None of this "affiliation" hogwash.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    My View :The Government will last up to the time when general and widespread industrial unrest becomes an issue. The unrest will be a result of increasing inflation and higher interest rates, while at the same time employers not giving pay increases . Labour will eventually be forced to stand up to the Unions and history tells us that they wont upset their pay masters.
    However this scenario will see the Irish voter moving back towards the right and so no good news for SF............... We are saved from that TG
    you mean you would vote right wing again they bankrupting the country! the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time. now i don't mean to insult you but anyone that votes for ff again needs there head checked.
    the irony is that when all this blows in 18 months or less ff will escape the brunt of the anger which will be quiet substantial.
    the Irish indo today estimates mortgage interest rates to rise by 4% over the next 2 years. i think it is niamh o hollaran in the bus section.
    this will be the straw i think to break the camels back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our dail
    Harney/FF/PDs have killed more with their health cuts than the IRA ever will.
    And they did their best to help the yanks murder tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans.
    IRA? Small time murdering scumbags compared to the nation's favourites FF...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    SEVERA wrote: »
    you mean you would vote right wing again they bankrupting the country! the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time. now i don't mean to insult you but anyone that votes for ff again needs there head checked.
    the irony is that when all this blows in 18 months or less ff will escape the brunt of the anger which will be quiet substantial.
    the Irish indo today estimates mortgage interest rates to rise by 4% over the next 2 years. i think it is niamh o hollaran in the bus section.
    this will be the straw i think to break the camels back.

    the definition of stupidity is one who keeps doing the same thing but expects a different result each time


    You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

    I never said I would vote Right Wing or Left wing. How do you people keep trying to spin stories. Are you trained in it ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Solnskaya wrote: »
    Without wishing to add to the rabble rousing, I believe that the FG Labour coalition will have little choice but to run along the rail laid for them and us by the Outgoing govt. Sadly, this rail does not lead to a happy garden, but rather it leads off a cliff, and I would imagine that within 12-14 months, most of us will be in little doubt that we have reached the edge. And yes, for the first time, I voted SF.
    There is no happy garden that any party's plan will take us to.

    There's a gag in the Simpson's where Homer is coaching Bart in the art of golf putting. Before his first attempt Homer advises Bart to keep his head still and follow through. Bart misses, and Homer's advice for his next shot is to "move your head about and don't follow through"

    It would seem this is the kind of thinking being applied by some of those who look to SF for deliverance. There is no easy out of this mess. SF would burn bridges with the EU and the IMF, will continue to live in denial about our massive budget deficit (bank problems aside) by refusing to countenance cuts and spend all the remaining money we have on a gamble that we can get out of this unaided.

    At best, this is a highly risky, and hugely optimistic strategy which will leave us with no friends and no good will if it failed, which it probably would. At worst, it is cynical populism by a party who knew they were not going to be in power.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Fitzerb wrote: »
    You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.
    You know there's a ceasefire? So they stopped doing the same thing expecting different results?
    Another of your posts in the bowl and the chain being pulled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Harney/FF/PDs have killed more with their health cuts than the IRA ever will.
    And they did their best to help the yanks murder tens of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans.
    IRA? Small time murdering scumbags compared to the nation's favourites FF...

    Are you trying to compare our health policy to the bombing
    campaign of the IRA in the 80's.
    Do you reckon landing at Shannon had the impact you say ?
    Would the yanks not just have found somewhere else to land.
    I am really encouraged by the SF thinking.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    lugha wrote: »
    At best, this is a highly risky, and hugely optimistic strategy which will leave us with no friends and no good will if it failed, which it probably would. At worst, it is cynical populism by a party who knew they were not going to be in power.
    So only FG and Labour had any policies they really wanted to implement?
    Great theory...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭SEVERA


    [QUOTE=
    Fitzerb
    ;71027857]Another One ....... why is there more ?



    I
    didn
    ’t mention anything about Bank Bail Out or Public Service Cuts. Please stop making up the fantasies.
    You are not correct to say I am proud, how could any Irishman worth his salt be proud to see SF, a shower of murdering scumbags in our
    dail
    [/QUOTE]
    if you honestly think this{which is not true} you must also regard ff as a bunch of murdering scumbags,
    what about the hundreds of
    suicides
    over the last two years that can be directly attributed to economic circumstances and ff
    policy's
    what about the knock on affect of that on
    family's
    all over
    are there going to be any trials to hold the people that were in charge of this country to account for economic treason?
    people in glasshouses should never throw stones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Fitzerb wrote: »

    You mean like the IRA bombing people to bits.

    I never said I would vote Right Wing or Left wing. How do you people keep trying to spin stories. Are you trained in it ?
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You know there's a ceasefire? So they stopped doing the same thing expecting different results?
    Another of your posts in the bowl and the chain being pulled.

    Its a cease Fire now ??????

    I thought the war was over

    bowl / chain......... FLUSH


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    lugha wrote: »
    Alas, no.

    Vote socialist!

    Vote Sinn Fein!

    Vote nationalist!

    Vote Sinn Fein!

    Vote national-socialist!

    (ah you must mean FG...)


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