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So funny I can't laugh!! (scarism)

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  • #32
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    JustinOval wrote: »
    Irish Wheelchair Association?
    That changes things. I glanced over the advert and didn't notice the IWA part. It just sounded as if it were a regular retail business. Although i've heard of businesses offering free "work experience" as a sales assistant as well.


  • #33
    gosuckonalemon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gosuckonalemon


    tan11ie wrote: »
    I understand were you are coming from totally !!! but just think about the amount of people sitting around out of work. I know I'd much rather keep myself busy....taking this on dosen't mean it's forever!!! beats sitting at home!

    The job spec. includes ironing and cleaning. Why not iron your own clothes and clean your own house instead for somebody elses profiting business for free?


  • #34
    tan11ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭tan11ie


    lol i do get your point but all I'm saying is that a payed position could come out of it....if it dosen't look likely just leave..nothing lost..


  • #35
    whydoibother?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭whydoibother?


    The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

    This situation is totally different. No training is required, anybody could do the job properly on their first day and the "experience" is not particularly valuable as it is not required to get a full-time job doing the same elsewhere. This is just abusing the system.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    whydoibother? wrote: »
    The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

    This situation is totally different. No training is required, anybody could do the job properly on their first day and the "experience" is not particularly valuable as it is not required to get a full-time job doing the same elsewhere. This is just abusing the system.

    The "experience" this type of job gives it that of actually "going to work", as in getting up, leaving the house etc at fixed times of the day as well as having the experience of doing things that someone else tells you to do.

    As opposed to getting up at midday, scratching! and just watching daytime TV etc.


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  • #37
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    rachaelf750 wrote: »
    Went googling the internet to see what the job situation is in Ardee,only to find this link!!
    http://kiosk.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=ItfZrpQUxHg3iSt+iy3414oK8PJUpgbFZJO9K5A92no5kztNIzIoO2SZVObUtUuQK3tSmGQaCZ9AGlnaQsUPia9iMqRkTNPf4Pb2O9WjWwD/mU+eALbZOzFrp+GYODOl7lLKzWBlNAX3MJRXaCD7nju8Eg20oXxL7H4WAR1Z8ib/lBcxwWWMzibxCjFdJFq1w0uvcQ8OzvHwwqyIoABheBQQdz8H2HB1Xiyb+jVJpvRLFe/VTSc+tZDrOMEcXTjwrF6jXmTzBy1AtaM1nkgb4CdIjB+1E10jDbuecrlbc+fJXJBTAYzP91L+WsMPWtB5skd44n38UN7a9y8wWz0RnOaclrDWxGzDQKM/cap8lmDQA78SGSBCOPOwXDz6K8gWLirnx6MPBBCt4VFP/zCk3Vf9sWn8Gs6T8+69Fqh3XaWB+j7ladgcbuTdtR2HO4gj

    This is not a job,how can FAS adverise it as one!!:confused:

    Wow. 'googling the internet' and 'scarism' all in one post. good going.
    whydoibother? wrote: »
    The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

    Wrong. the point of work experience is to allow you to use your skills. and it's not compensation because you're not trained properly.that's ridiculous. the point of it is to get people are out of work back into a working environment and using their skills practically so that they've more of a chance of getting a paid job.


  • #38
    whydoibother?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭whydoibother?


    stupidusername wrote: »
    Wrong. the point of work experience is to allow you to use your skills. and it's not compensation because you're not trained properly.that's ridiculous. the point of it is to get people are out of work back into a working environment and using their skills practically so that they've more of a chance of getting a paid job.

    Of course the reduction in pay for genuine training experience is due to the fact that you are not fully trained. Otherwise what is the justification for paying less than a regular employee? If somebody is using their skills with an equal level of competence, why does the employer feel they can pay less?

    I would classify the post in question as unskilled work. I don't accept that that somebody's shelf-stacking skills can go "stale" like a highly-skilled professionals might. It wouldn't matter if you took 10 years out of that job, you would be just as able to waltz back in and do it properly. There is no justification for paying less here on the grounds of letting the person gain experience. It's just abuse of the system.


  • #39
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    The reality of that job is that they are getting somebody to work for free and if that person was actually on their payroll,
    they would make more than on the dole.

    Dodgy employers taking advantage of the system.

    Remember when that plan started and some Super Valu had a load of those jobs going....


  • #40
    Abelloid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    It's the Irish Wheelchair Association and their charity shop in Ardee, not greedy business or dodgy employers.


  • #41
    whydoibother?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭whydoibother?


    JustinOval wrote: »
    It's the Irish Wheelchair Association and their charity shop in Ardee, not greedy business or dodgy employers.

    Then by all means let them advertise it as a voluntary position. But to try to sell it as work experience to get more people interested is not quite right.


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  • #42
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    I'm saying that the point of the genuine ones is to have people get experience in their areas.

    I'm not saying that things like the position mentioned in the OP are right. it's a scheme that's been taken advantage of all over the place, but i'm saying that is the point of them being set up.

    what gets to me about this is there's a CE scheme that would also do, but the employee gets more money than the dole, and works 19.5 hours instead of 39. i'm guessing the government is pushing for the WPP to be done rather than this.


  • #43
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭bonerm


    Great thread. Would read again. (oh btw I was being scarastic)


  • #44
    sashafierce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭sashafierce


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