So funny I can't laugh!! (scarism)

rachaelf750

Went googling the internet to see what the job situation is in Ardee,only to find this link!!
http://kiosk.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=ItfZrpQUxHg3iSt+iy3414oK8PJUpgbFZJO9K5A92no5kztNIzIoO2SZVObUtUuQK3tSmGQaCZ9AGlnaQsUPia9iMqRkTNPf4Pb2O9WjWwD/mU+eALbZOzFrp+GYODOl7lLKzWBlNAX3MJRXaCD7nju8Eg20oXxL7H4WAR1Z8ib/lBcxwWWMzibxCjFdJFq1w0uvcQ8OzvHwwqyIoABheBQQdz8H2HB1Xiyb+jVJpvRLFe/VTSc+tZDrOMEcXTjwrF6jXmTzBy1AtaM1nkgb4CdIjB+1E10jDbuecrlbc+fJXJBTAYzP91L+WsMPWtB5skd44n38UN7a9y8wWz0RnOaclrDWxGzDQKM/cap8lmDQA78SGSBCOPOwXDz6K8gWLirnx6MPBBCt4VFP/zCk3Vf9sWn8Gs6T8+69Fqh3XaWB+j7ladgcbuTdtR2HO4gj

This is not a job,how can FAS adverise it as one!!

El Weirdo

Looks like a job to me. Albeit an unpaid job.

Voodu Child

Are you being scarstastic?

brummytom

Scarism's the lowest form of wit.

Abelloid

Frightening.

Lyra Fangs

I was expecting something scary .

whydoibother?

Yeah, it doesn't look like something you would need training for. They seem to be taking the p$ss a bit with the unpaid experience thing. It's just working for free.

El Weirdo

Lyra Fangs wrote: »

I was expecting something scary .

I wasn't expecting a job.

scarism?
Well I AM a little scared...

Uriel.

This is Halloween, this is Halloween ....

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

Jaysis. Good one.

krudler

scarism is the lowest form of humer

Alter-Ego

Ugh! Ardee...

galwayrush

I can't speak Ardee. :pac:

xoxyx

Scarism. I love it. I'm going to use that word in a sentence today.

I hid behind my friend's couch for five hours the other day. Jumped out when he got home. Frightened the crap out of him. He was subjected to scarism.

Ok - that's my goals met for this Sunday. Back to bed.

brummytom

I've just read the link... where was it trying to be funny?

tan11ie

Well it looks like a stepping stone for those on the dole beats sitting around twiddling your thumbs!!! you would still be entitled to your payment....sure you may even be offered a full time PAYED position when you gain experience.

partyatmygaff

tan11ie wrote: »

Well it looks like a stepping stone for those on the dole beats sitting around twiddling your thumbs!!! you would still be entitled to your payment....sure you may even be offered a full time PAYED position when you gain experience.

A stepping stone to getting a job is providing free unskilled labour to a greedy business?

No thanks.

In a large number of countries the dole is "0", come to think of it they have no social security system of any kind at all!

partyatmygaff

Deleted User wrote: »

In a large number of countries the dole is "0", come to think of it they have no social security system of any kind at all!

So the best course of action is to go work for free packing shelves in a nearby shop.

bonerm

galwayrush wrote: »

I can't speak Ardee. :pac:

I can't listen to it.

partyatmygaff

partyatmygaff wrote: »

So the best course of action is to go work for free packing shelves in a nearby shop.

The point is, you're still getting an income!

Alter-Ego

"Well horrsh are ya from the town yourself heey"

Can we have an Ardee bashing thread?

gosuckonalemon

I don't see the issue here...this is an excellent opportunity for anyone who wants to learn how to iron, clean, price goods for resale and most importantly how to display items"..

tan11ie

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A stepping stone to getting a job is providing free unskilled labour to a greedy business?

No thanks.

I understand were you are coming from totally !!! but just think about the amount of people sitting around out of work. I know I'd much rather keep myself busy....taking this on dosen't mean it's forever!!! beats sitting at home!

partyatmygaff

tan11ie wrote: »

I understand were you are coming from totally !!! but just think about the amount of people sitting around out of work. I know I'd much rather keep myself busy....taking this on dosen't mean it's forever!!! beats sitting at home!

Yeah but going off to pack shelves and clean floors just to lower a businesses labour costs sounds a lot like slavery.

The average income for a slave is also "0"

Abelloid

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A stepping stone to getting a job is providing free unskilled labour to a greedy business?

No thanks.

Irish Wheelchair Association?

Kewreeuss

Had the person who put in the advert simply said 'Volunteer required' there wouldn't have been any objections.
Evidently they are a volunteer themselves and haven't gained muche experience in recruitment and advertising!
Go easy on them, it's Ardee.

amacca

JustinOval wrote: »

Irish Wheelchair Association?

greedy evil corporate scumbags

as bad as exxon mobil they are

Abelloid

amacca wrote: »

greedy evil corporate scumbags

as bad as exxon mobil they are

Do I detect a note of scarism?

partyatmygaff

JustinOval wrote: »

Irish Wheelchair Association?

That changes things. I glanced over the advert and didn't notice the IWA part. It just sounded as if it were a regular retail business. Although i've heard of businesses offering free "work experience" as a sales assistant as well.

gosuckonalemon

tan11ie wrote: »

I understand were you are coming from totally !!! but just think about the amount of people sitting around out of work. I know I'd much rather keep myself busy....taking this on dosen't mean it's forever!!! beats sitting at home!

The job spec. includes ironing and cleaning. Why not iron your own clothes and clean your own house instead for somebody elses profiting business for free?

tan11ie

lol i do get your point but all I'm saying is that a payed position could come out of it....if it dosen't look likely just leave..nothing lost..

whydoibother?

The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

This situation is totally different. No training is required, anybody could do the job properly on their first day and the "experience" is not particularly valuable as it is not required to get a full-time job doing the same elsewhere. This is just abusing the system.

whydoibother?

whydoibother? wrote: »

The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

This situation is totally different. No training is required, anybody could do the job properly on their first day and the "experience" is not particularly valuable as it is not required to get a full-time job doing the same elsewhere. This is just abusing the system.

The "experience" this type of job gives it that of actually "going to work", as in getting up, leaving the house etc at fixed times of the day as well as having the experience of doing things that someone else tells you to do.

As opposed to getting up at midday, scratching! and just watching daytime TV etc.

stupidusername

rachaelf750 wrote: »

Went googling the internet to see what the job situation is in Ardee,only to find this link!!
http://kiosk.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=ItfZrpQUxHg3iSt+iy3414oK8PJUpgbFZJO9K5A92no5kztNIzIoO2SZVObUtUuQK3tSmGQaCZ9AGlnaQsUPia9iMqRkTNPf4Pb2O9WjWwD/mU+eALbZOzFrp+GYODOl7lLKzWBlNAX3MJRXaCD7nju8Eg20oXxL7H4WAR1Z8ib/lBcxwWWMzibxCjFdJFq1w0uvcQ8OzvHwwqyIoABheBQQdz8H2HB1Xiyb+jVJpvRLFe/VTSc+tZDrOMEcXTjwrF6jXmTzBy1AtaM1nkgb4CdIjB+1E10jDbuecrlbc+fJXJBTAYzP91L+WsMPWtB5skd44n38UN7a9y8wWz0RnOaclrDWxGzDQKM/cap8lmDQA78SGSBCOPOwXDz6K8gWLirnx6MPBBCt4VFP/zCk3Vf9sWn8Gs6T8+69Fqh3XaWB+j7ladgcbuTdtR2HO4gj

This is not a job,how can FAS adverise it as one!!

Wow. 'googling the internet' and 'scarism' all in one post. good going.

whydoibother? wrote: »

The point of work experience is that you are learning a new skill. You agree therefore to take lower or no pay as compensation to the employer for the fact that you are not suitably trained to do the job properly and you take away valuable experience instead of money.

Wrong. the point of work experience is to allow you to use your skills. and it's not compensation because you're not trained properly.that's ridiculous. the point of it is to get people are out of work back into a working environment and using their skills practically so that they've more of a chance of getting a paid job.

whydoibother?

stupidusername wrote: »

Wrong. the point of work experience is to allow you to use your skills. and it's not compensation because you're not trained properly.that's ridiculous. the point of it is to get people are out of work back into a working environment and using their skills practically so that they've more of a chance of getting a paid job.

Of course the reduction in pay for genuine training experience is due to the fact that you are not fully trained. Otherwise what is the justification for paying less than a regular employee? If somebody is using their skills with an equal level of competence, why does the employer feel they can pay less?

I would classify the post in question as unskilled work. I don't accept that that somebody's shelf-stacking skills can go "stale" like a highly-skilled professionals might. It wouldn't matter if you took 10 years out of that job, you would be just as able to waltz back in and do it properly. There is no justification for paying less here on the grounds of letting the person gain experience. It's just abuse of the system.

Hank_Jones

The reality of that job is that they are getting somebody to work for free and if that person was actually on their payroll,
they would make more than on the dole.

Dodgy employers taking advantage of the system.

Remember when that plan started and some Super Valu had a load of those jobs going....

Abelloid

It's the Irish Wheelchair Association and their charity shop in Ardee, not greedy business or dodgy employers.

whydoibother?

JustinOval wrote: »

It's the Irish Wheelchair Association and their charity shop in Ardee, not greedy business or dodgy employers.

Then by all means let them advertise it as a voluntary position. But to try to sell it as work experience to get more people interested is not quite right.

stupidusername

I'm saying that the point of the genuine ones is to have people get experience in their areas.

I'm not saying that things like the position mentioned in the OP are right. it's a scheme that's been taken advantage of all over the place, but i'm saying that is the point of them being set up.

what gets to me about this is there's a CE scheme that would also do, but the employee gets more money than the dole, and works 19.5 hours instead of 39. i'm guessing the government is pushing for the WPP to be done rather than this.

bonerm

Great thread. Would read again. (oh btw I was being scarastic)

sashafierce

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