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A question for Irelands stoners? And maybe gardeners too.

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  • #32
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    We have be through this again and again and you continue to spout this crippled rhetoric like Reagan's broken tape recorder.

    Summary: not all or even most stoners are good-for-nothing layabouts. You are extrapolating from the lowest common denominator and ignoring the many good people who work hard and reward themselves with the odd smoke.

    I would suggest we legalise weed so any resultant costs are absorbed through taxes reaped.

    "Don't expect me to pay your hospital bills, k pal?"

    FFS, in the unlikely even I succumb to this vague marijuana malaise that will apparently strike me down, you will have to. If fiscal matters are your primary concern you should be supporting the legalisation movement.

    We can dance this dance again, but I've realised at this stage that when it comes to these debates you don't have two left feet, you are completely quadriplegic with little chance of rehabilitation.

    Very insulting post there my friend.

    word of advice to you

    This country is fcuked, broke and bolloxed.

    There are taxpayers on their knees trying to get things in order.

    Looking after stoners is the least of their worries, so maybe you better look after yourself, and don't impinge on genuine needs ,like disabled people and those who need genuine state assistance.


  • #33
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Hemp would grow here without any problems it was a major fibre throughout the planet up to WW2. They had breeds specialised for our climate.

    Cannabis that you can get high off will grow here too, some of the modern breeds can be temperamental and need a lot of light and heat (the lack of which kills them) but good old fashioned weed probably wouldn't have a problem, Afghan weed grows in mountains as far as I know which aren't cold or calm.


  • #34
    Sprrratt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Sprrratt


    Sykk wrote: »
    Cannabis needs to be nursed for months of the year otherwise it dies, can't see someone going through the risk of planting it in the middle of a field then revisiting every day to make sure the sun/rain amount is correct.

    Its a weed, it will grow anywhere as long as it gets a decent amount of sun regularly. If you dont want it to take double the time or even more to finish growing then sure nurse it like a baby but it sure as hell can hack it without you giving it that attention.

    Sure Luke Flanagan has a seat now so he'll be sure to do something crazy now regarding it. Just wait stoners


  • #35
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Get as high as you like Cap'n

    Just don't expect my tax eurons to take care of you as you shamble into your 50s.


    Look after yourself man


  • #36
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    Just don't expect my tax eurons to take care of you as you shamble into your 50s.
    He can expect your taxes to support him, unless you've stopped paying tax?


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  • #37
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Depends on the variety.. Most varieties will fail outdoors in Irish conditions but there are varieties that do quite well in temperate climates like ours , Early Girl is a good example.


  • #38
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    ScumLord wrote: »
    He can expect your taxes to support him, unless you've stopped paying tax?


    No I haven't, have you.


    Still driving that van around Galway;)


  • #39
    Badgermonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    Bantam, I know many professionals who have a smoke in the evening or at the weekend.

    They would all be paying income tax at the higher rate, some are employers and some successful entrepreneurs generating significant revenue to the exchequer.

    I think the lazy layabout take on it is more than somewhat hackneyed tbh.


  • #40
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Badgermonkey wrote: »
    Bantam, I know many professionals who have a smoke in the evening or at the weekend.

    They would all be paying income tax at the higher rate, some are employers and some successful entrepreneurs generating significant revenue to the exchequer.

    I think the lazy layabout take on it is more than somewhat hackneyed tbh.


    I would agree with that point.

    However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

    Are there not?

    Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.


  • #41
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Right, I see it's groundhog day.

    Flutterinbantam, I see you are just copying and pasting your one post you have saved for this topic. I've invested an fair amount of time before appealing in vain to your reasonable side, if it exists. I didn't expect you to change your viewpoint entirely but I thought maybe a more balanced viewpoint could be reached given that your knowledge on the topic is very clearly limited. You're back with the same tired rubbish again, false terms of endearment and all.

    Just read any or all of my replies from post #114 onwards in this thread. I doubt you have anything new to post so I'm sure there's something for all occasions in there.

    I was clearly wasting my time on you in the linked thread(though I would hope some impartial observers may have taken to heart some of my sentiments). Fool me once etc. etc.


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  • #42
    Ditch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Ditch


    Waits ..... :)

    OP; Major snag here is the price of half decent seeds. Go spending 20 - 50 on a pack of just Ten seeds? I think ye may be a bit more circumspect about randomly digging ye investment into some corner of a farmers field.

    That said? I've fed the birds in my garden and had help plants sprout up. I just ignored them. Strains we get in bird seed aren't worth skinning.


  • #43
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.
    There's probably 20 times more like them or worse that have never smoked weed ever in their life. Your taxes more than likely go to support all kinds of things you wouldn't agree with, that's one of the unfortunate drawbacks with living in a democracy. There's no point in getting upset about it.


  • #44
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »

    However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

    Are there not?

    Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.
    There are smokers who lie about all day at the expense of the state.

    There are non-smokers who lie about all day at the expense of the state.

    Maybe your anger should simply be levelled against people who are pathologically adverse to work, rather than drug users in particular?


  • #45
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭TPD


    Flutt - as you see it, you are currently subsidising these jerks. All them no good layabouts who are wasting their dole on grass, you pay when they overdose (or whatever it is you think happens). You pay, because the stoner wasters themselves pay no tax.

    Surely you of all people should support legalising and taxing cannabis? Let them pay for their own electroshock treatment.


  • #46
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »
    I would agree with that point.

    However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

    Are there not?

    Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

    As with most of your posts in this forum, you're talking a load of sh1te...


  • #47
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Considering there are so many people in this country who are cannabis lovers, what would happen if through some internet camapign or the likes, each and every one agreed to plant the odd cannabis plant in various random locations all over the country?
    Would it become established as a wild plant spreading here there and everywhere and rendering it's illegal status more or less pointless, or would you all just have the best of intentions regarding planting it, but then just stay home eating lion bars and watching family guy re runs :confused:
    I wouldn't really be a cannabis fan myself and i freely admit i know very little about it's cultivation, but i seem to remember seeing a tv show which claimed it was one of the only plants that grew in all soil types and more or less all climates, so why isn't it everywhere?
    I mean, if we can't get rid of things like giant hogweed, that nobody wants, why isn't something that maybe 25% actually do want, growing everywhere?

    i'd be more in favour of harvesting it afterwards.

    im planning on buying a polytunnel this summer...if u catch my drift :cool:


  • #48
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Hemp of whatever strength is pretty easy to grow even in Ireland. HempIreland did it a few years ago, producing non-THC hemp for various industries under government licence in both judrisdictions. Everything about it was viable except the market was not keen to take it up due to public misconceptions. For a product with so much potential, it was a pity that the only people who buy decent quantities were the likes of stables using it for bedding.

    As for clogging up A&E, quite the opposite, A&E would see a decrease due to the miniscule amount of damage compared to the booze. Stoners are well able to look after themselves despite the propaganda bull****. Vapourisers would wipe out any potential pulmonary problems, so pretty harmless really.


  • #49
    Cosimo Salvatore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Cosimo Salvatore


    There's just no talking to some people


  • #50
    haydar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭haydar


    When i was in New Zealand a fella told us about a hippy commune in the hills were they grew weed.

    When the police found it they flew the weed away, to be destroyed, in nets hanging from helicopters thus spreading seeds all over the hills were it grows all over the place!!

    People go there every year to get their own stuff now and its supposed to be great craic. Saw a few plants myself but no buds unfortunately:(


  • #51
    Badgermonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭Badgermonkey


    FlutterinBantam wrote: »

    However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

    Are there not?

    Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

    Undoubtedly so.

    Most grow out of it though.

    When measured against the scandalously high systemic wastage of public funds in health, third level institutions or Fas, it just seems trifling to me.


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  • #52
    DublinWriter
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    THC is an amazing compound and has many beneficial properties in the treatment of the symptoms of Anorexia Nervousa and Muscular Sclerosis.

    BUT! Thanks to the intervention of 'big pharma' and the ignorance of prejudicial idiots like Joe Duffy, we'll never see the benefits of several international clinical trials come to full fruition.


  • #53
    haydar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭haydar


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Nice idea but,
    Our climate is too harsh for them to reproduce/germinate.

    Damn our harsh climate, bring on global warming.


  • #54
    Alter-Ego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Alter-Ego


    It can be done here. I know of people getting 8-10 ounces off a plant.

    Ahem...


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
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    I see a lot of people are posting about the difficulties regarding lights temps etc. This really only applies to indoor grows.
    Remember Marijuana is a WEED, and is a hardy adaptable fecker. But if in doubt the are different seed varietys which adapt better to different enviroments. For example weed grows in Tundras. See Alaskan Thunder**** for details :)


    Ive err, met people who told me this....:p


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Ahem... No.

    OP's question...


    No.

    No, people do get that amount from plants.


  • #57
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Nice idea but,
    Our climate is too harsh for them to reproduce/germinate.

    Wrong on both counts.


  • #58
    Carl Sagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Carl Sagan


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    But only in specific locations/conditions and also mushrooms are tricky to grow, not as easy as just planting one and leaving it be. Also weed appeals to many times more people than mushrooms do, so you'd be starting off with a much stronger base.



    As i said, i don't know all that much about them, but surely they grew and spread without any care from people in the first place? Also I'd imagine a lot of the time and attention that people put into them is to maximize the THC content rather than just keep the plant alive?

    I can't see it ever happening either by the way, just thinking out loud!

    I thought mushrooms were easy to cultivate?

    Anyway, this has been done small scale in Tallaght in a few of the parks. Someone found them all and got rid of them though. It was pretty cool seeing it grow :) And it sounds like a great idea.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    I believe we're talking about outdoors Eire.
    We're not in the tropics ;)

    Yes, I actually do know what Im talking about. Plant yourself a seed , dont believe the hype.

    It grows in Siberia, Alaska, why are we any different LOL


  • #60
    Carl Sagan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 856 ✭✭✭Carl Sagan


    Jake1 wrote: »
    Yes, I actually do know what Im talking about. Plant yourself a seed , dont believe the hype.

    It grows in Siberia, Alaska, why are we any different LOL

    Yeah - it'll grow anywhere. There are strains superior for growing outdoors in climates like ours (they usually have a smaller THC content though).


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  • #61
    mikom
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    141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »
    Seeds can survive our winters?:confused:

    Yes.


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