A question for Irelands stoners? And maybe gardeners too.

sbsquarepants

Considering there are so many people in this country who are cannabis lovers, what would happen if through some internet camapign or the likes, each and every one agreed to plant the odd cannabis plant in various random locations all over the country?
Would it become established as a wild plant spreading here there and everywhere and rendering it's illegal status more or less pointless, or would you all just have the best of intentions regarding planting it, but then just stay home eating lion bars and watching family guy re runs
I wouldn't really be a cannabis fan myself and i freely admit i know very little about it's cultivation, but i seem to remember seeing a tv show which claimed it was one of the only plants that grew in all soil types and more or less all climates, so why isn't it everywhere?
I mean, if we can't get rid of things like giant hogweed, that nobody wants, why isn't something that maybe 25% actually do want, growing everywhere?

clived2

Same thing that would happen if you could grow cans of beer from the ground.

People would drink them and never plant any.

You could plant 100 plants, yet never once recieve any plant yourself, and it wouldnt be long before the idea was given up.

Jimmy the Wheel

You're argument already applies to mushrooms, which grow wild as is.

Fracture

I like the idea of it growing everywhere, the government are better off legalising it in some form or another anyway, people smoke it regardless anyway and the economy would make more money.

Captain_Generic

The plants are pretty fussy when it comes to sunlight and temperature, not sure if they would survive without constant supervision

Hells Belle

Interesting idea. These plants need a lot of tending afaik, it also stinks to the high heavens and the smell is really noticable on warm days. I think you can get varieties that grow in our climate but I'm not sure. It needs routine watering, feeding and pruning plus heat and light and some of these are time specific. Pain in the behind basically.

If you put more than one together they can cross polinate and that wrecks the weed, but you won't get more plants if they don't polinate. They need an "expert" with a lot of patience.

You might get away with that on some remote farm but if you stick a plant like that in a public park its going to be noticed by either other smokers or the law. Can't see it happening.

Sykk

Cannabis needs to be nursed for months of the year otherwise it dies, can't see someone going through the risk of planting it in the middle of a field then revisiting every day to make sure the sun/rain amount is correct.

Jimmy the Wheel

You also have to remove all the males, and the new provisions enacted in the Lisbon Treaty, recently applied to car insurance, may lead to some difficulties for growers.

sbsquarepants

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

You're argument already applies to mushrooms, which grow wild as is.

But only in specific locations/conditions and also mushrooms are tricky to grow, not as easy as just planting one and leaving it be. Also weed appeals to many times more people than mushrooms do, so you'd be starting off with a much stronger base.

Hells Belle wrote: »

Interesting idea. These plants need a lot of tending afaik, it also stinks to the high heavens and the smell is really noticable on warm days. I think you can get varieties that grow in our climate but I'm not sure. It needs routine watering, feeding and pruning plus heat and light and some of these are time specific. Pain in the behind basically.

If you put more than one together they can cross polinate and that wrecks the weed, but you won't get more plants if they don't polinate. They need an "expert" with a lot of patience.

You might get away with that on some remote farm but if you stick a plant like that in a public park its going to be noticed by either other smokers or the law. Can't see it happening.

As i said, i don't know all that much about them, but surely they grew and spread without any care from people in the first place? Also I'd imagine a lot of the time and attention that people put into them is to maximize the THC content rather than just keep the plant alive?

I can't see it ever happening either by the way, just thinking out loud!

_feedback_

Interesting idea, but think the worries about the plants not surviving in this climate are true.

FloatingVoter

I've done some amateur gardening myself. The messing about with UV lamps and heat levels is a pain....and the bloody thing dies half the time. Thats just in a bedsit never mind in your average Irish field.
Still, keep up with the new proposals, Ming.:)

Jimmy the Wheel

sbsquarepants wrote: »

As i said, i don't know all that much about them, but surely they grew and spread without any care from people in the first place? Also I'd imagine a lot of the time and attention that people put into them is to maximize the THC content rather than just keep the plant alive?

They will grow wild, but you'll have a poor yield, with less THC, if the males aren't removed.

Aside from smoking it, it should be cultivated for hemp; for paper, plastics, cloth, bio-diesel etc, if it isn't already.

As you said, it's healthier for the soil. It actually puts nitrogen back into the soil, instead of leaching it, and it sucks up more carbon dioxide than other plants.

sbsquarepants

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I've done some amateur gardening myself. The messing about with UV lamps and heat levels is a pain....and the bloody thing dies half the time. Thats just in a bedsit never mind in your average Irish field.
Still, keep up with the new proposals, Ming.:)

Ha, you gotta love someone who campaigns for drug legalisation and then calls himself ming the merciless like it's perfectly normal behaviour!:D

Cookie_Monster

Planting in random locations will contaminate the local bio-diversity more than it already is with foreign species and risk them spreading and taking over. Granted, limited scope for this with hash plants but not a good idea regardless on the plant (or animal)

And also: "Drugs are bad, mkay"

whoopdedoo

as long as we did it soon it should work nicely, mar/apr to sept is the ideal outdoor grow time so I'm told

I begs planting all over Galway City!!

Jimmy the Wheel

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Planting in random locations will contaminate the local bio-diversity more than it already is with foreign species and risk them spreading and taking over. Granted, limited scope for this with hash plants but not a good idea regardless on the plant (or animal)

Hemp, low THC content, is an indigenous European plant, AFAIK.

The Scythians brought Cannabis to Europe via a northern route where remnants of their campsites, from the Altai Mountains to Germany, date back 2,800 years. Seafaring Europe never smoked marijuana extensively, but hemp fiber became a major crop in the history of almost every European country. Pollen analysis dates the cultivation of Cannabis to 400 B.C. in Norway; 150 A.D. in Sweden, and 400 A.D. in Germany and England.,[3] although it is believed the plant was cultivated in the British Isles several centuries earlier.[2] The Greeks and Romans used hemp for rope and sail but imported the fiber from Sicily and Gaul. And it has been said that "Caesar invaded Gaul in order to tie up the Roman Empire," all allusion to the Romans' need for hemp

Sticky_Fingers

Seriously lads, its not that hard to grow, its a bloody weed. The only real care that is needed is to ensure the plant is pruned, not so it will survive but to maximise yield. All males/hermaphrodites must be removed as well to prevent pollination and the risk of turning all that lovely bud into seeds. Cannabis can and does grow quite well in our climate, granted you need a fairly hardy strain to start off with but once it's established in fertilised soil it pretty much grows itself without any major drama.
Despite what you hear in news reports all that stuff about heat lamps is complete bollocks, it doesn't require excessive heat or any crazy climate control to grow, they only mention heat lamps in order to make it seem harder to grow then it actually is thus dissuading people from trying their hand at it.

strobe

Sykk wrote: »

Cannabis needs to be nursed for months of the year otherwise it dies, can't see someone going through the risk of planting it in the middle of a field then revisiting every day to make sure the sun/rain amount is correct.

elviscostello wrote: »

Interesting idea, but think the worries about the plants not surviving in this climate are true.

Not really true. Cannabis isn't a fussy or delicate plant at all. It is hard as fukking nails really. Frost or heavy floods will kill them but anything else and they'll grow away happy as larry. They don't need special fertilizer or special lamps or pruning or any care whatsoever really. Obviously if you treat them like your first born and artificially provide ideal conditions you will get a bigger, fuller stronger plant and you will get a ~100% survival rate but just sticking a bunch of seeds into muck and forgetting about them until harvest time can get you perfectly smokable plants.

sheesh

Yeah i had this idea too a couple of years ago where i was going to use a plane to spread the seed but i like never got round to doing it .........

Pace2008

A mate's college friend found a big bush of it growing in a public location in Dublin. They stripped it down but weren't typical dealer sorts so they sold it at bargain-basement prces just to get it off their hands - we bought a fifty-bag off them that honestly had about 2 ounces in it. Wasn't the best stuff by any means but it was weed alright, so it certainly can grow outside in our country.

FlutterinBantam

And to think my taxes are supporting these jerks:mad:

strobe

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

And to think my taxes are supporting these jerks:mad:

Wha....? Wrong thread I think man.

Pace2008

JOHN Q WASTERS MY TAXES PIMPLE FACED LOSERS TAPAYER JOHN Q KEEP ILLEGAL STOP TAXES MY TAKING Q JOHN

I think that should cover all subsequent posts in this vein.

FatherLen

me and my friends planted maybe 300 hundred seeds all over the village we live in over the summer in the hopes that we could get a reaction. not one grew.:(

FlutterinBantam

Pace2008 wrote: »

JOHN Q WASTERS MY TAXES PIMPLE FACED LOSERS TAPAYER JOHN Q KEEP ILLEGAL STOP TAXES MY TAKING Q JOHN

I think that should cover all subsequent posts in this vein.

So you don't want to face reality pal?

You want to saddle the taxpayer with the detritus left over after the stoners, who after a lifetime of state dependence, succumb to terminal care, again at the expense of the state.


So what have we?

Life of uselessness ,nothing productive,all the while draining the scarce state resources which could be better employed looking after those who actually contributed to society.

Spunge

Yeah im sick of these cannabis addicts clogging our A&E lying on the streets with needles in their arm.

TPD

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

So you don't want to face reality pal?

You want to saddle the taxpayer with the detritus left over after the stoners, who after a lifetime of state dependence, succumb to terminal care, again at the expense of the state.


So what have we?

Life of uselessness ,nothing productive,all the while draining the scarce state resources which could be better employed looking after those who actually contributed to society.

Your posts on cannabis threads are always good for a laugh

FlutterinBantam

Spunge wrote: »

Yeah im sick of these cannabis addicts clogging our A&E lying on the streets with needles in their arm.

Much more long term than that ,my friend, that scenario would be way too quick;)

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

So you don't want to face reality pal?

You want to saddle the taxpayer with the detritus left over after the stoners, who after a lifetime of state dependence, succumb to terminal care, again at the expense of the state.


So what have we?

Life of uselessness ,nothing productive,all the while draining the scarce state resources which could be better employed looking after those who actually contributed to society.

We have be through this again and again and you continue to spout this crippled rhetoric like Reagan's broken tape recorder.

Summary: not all or even most stoners are good-for-nothing layabouts. You are extrapolating from the lowest common denominator and ignoring the many good people who work hard and reward themselves with the odd smoke.

I would suggest we legalise weed so any resultant costs are absorbed through taxes reaped.

"Don't expect me to pay your hospital bills, k pal?"

FFS, in the unlikely event I succumb to this vague marijuana malaise that will apparently strike me down , you will have to. If fiscal matters are your primary concern you should be supporting the legalisation movement.

We can dance this dance again, but I've realised at this stage that when it comes to these debates you don't have two left feet, you are completely quadriplegic with little chance of rehabilitation.

FlutterinBantam

TPD wrote: »

Your posts on cannabis threads are always good for a laugh

maybe so pal, but as long as I pay to rehabilitate these stoners, you will have to put up with it.


Ok pal?

saywhatyousee

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

So you don't want to face reality pal?

You want to saddle the taxpayer with the detritus left over after the stoners, who after a lifetime of state dependence, succumb to terminal care, again at the expense of the state.


So what have we?

Life of uselessness ,nothing productive,all the while draining the scarce state resources which could be better employed looking after those who actually contributed to society.

Draining what services?

FlutterinBantam

Pace2008 wrote: »

We have be through this again and again and you continue to spout this crippled rhetoric like Reagan's broken tape recorder.

Summary: not all or even most stoners are good-for-nothing layabouts. You are extrapolating from the lowest common denominator and ignoring the many good people who work hard and reward themselves with the odd smoke.

I would suggest we legalise weed so any resultant costs are absorbed through taxes reaped.

"Don't expect me to pay your hospital bills, k pal?"

FFS, in the unlikely even I succumb to this vague marijuana malaise that will apparently strike me down, you will have to. If fiscal matters are your primary concern you should be supporting the legalisation movement.

We can dance this dance again, but I've realised at this stage that when it comes to these debates you don't have two left feet, you are completely quadriplegic with little chance of rehabilitation.

Very insulting post there my friend.

word of advice to you

This country is fcuked, broke and bolloxed.

There are taxpayers on their knees trying to get things in order.

Looking after stoners is the least of their worries, so maybe you better look after yourself, and don't impinge on genuine needs ,like disabled people and those who need genuine state assistance.

ScumLord

Hemp would grow here without any problems it was a major fibre throughout the planet up to WW2. They had breeds specialised for our climate.

Cannabis that you can get high off will grow here too, some of the modern breeds can be temperamental and need a lot of light and heat (the lack of which kills them) but good old fashioned weed probably wouldn't have a problem, Afghan weed grows in mountains as far as I know which aren't cold or calm.

Sprrratt

Sykk wrote: »

Cannabis needs to be nursed for months of the year otherwise it dies, can't see someone going through the risk of planting it in the middle of a field then revisiting every day to make sure the sun/rain amount is correct.

Its a weed, it will grow anywhere as long as it gets a decent amount of sun regularly. If you dont want it to take double the time or even more to finish growing then sure nurse it like a baby but it sure as hell can hack it without you giving it that attention.

Sure Luke Flanagan has a seat now so he'll be sure to do something crazy now regarding it. Just wait stoners

FlutterinBantam

Get as high as you like Cap'n

Just don't expect my tax eurons to take care of you as you shamble into your 50s.


Look after yourself man

ScumLord

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Just don't expect my tax eurons to take care of you as you shamble into your 50s.

He can expect your taxes to support him, unless you've stopped paying tax?

Jimmy Garlic

Depends on the variety.. Most varieties will fail outdoors in Irish conditions but there are varieties that do quite well in temperate climates like ours , Early Girl is a good example.

FlutterinBantam

ScumLord wrote: »

He can expect your taxes to support him, unless you've stopped paying tax?

No I haven't, have you.


Still driving that van around Galway;)

Badgermonkey

Bantam, I know many professionals who have a smoke in the evening or at the weekend.

They would all be paying income tax at the higher rate, some are employers and some successful entrepreneurs generating significant revenue to the exchequer.

I think the lazy layabout take on it is more than somewhat hackneyed tbh.

FlutterinBantam

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Bantam, I know many professionals who have a smoke in the evening or at the weekend.

They would all be paying income tax at the higher rate, some are employers and some successful entrepreneurs generating significant revenue to the exchequer.

I think the lazy layabout take on it is more than somewhat hackneyed tbh.

I would agree with that point.

However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

Are there not?

Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

Pace2008

Right, I see it's groundhog day.

Flutterinbantam, I see you are just copying and pasting your one post you have saved for this topic. I've invested an fair amount of time before appealing in vain to your reasonable side, if it exists. I didn't expect you to change your viewpoint entirely but I thought maybe a more balanced viewpoint could be reached given that your knowledge on the topic is very clearly limited. You're back with the same tired rubbish again, false terms of endearment and all.

Just read any or all of my replies from post #114 onwards in this thread. I doubt you have anything new to post so I'm sure there's something for all occasions in there.

I was clearly wasting my time on you in the linked thread(though I would hope some impartial observers may have taken to heart some of my sentiments). Fool me once etc. etc.

Ditch

Waits .....

OP; Major snag here is the price of half decent seeds. Go spending 20 - 50 on a pack of just Ten seeds? I think ye may be a bit more circumspect about randomly digging ye investment into some corner of a farmers field.

That said? I've fed the birds in my garden and had help plants sprout up. I just ignored them. Strains we get in bird seed aren't worth skinning.

ScumLord

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

There's probably 20 times more like them or worse that have never smoked weed ever in their life. Your taxes more than likely go to support all kinds of things you wouldn't agree with, that's one of the unfortunate drawbacks with living in a democracy. There's no point in getting upset about it.

Pace2008

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

Are there not?

Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

There are smokers who lie about all day at the expense of the state.

There are non-smokers who lie about all day at the expense of the state.

Maybe your anger should simply be levelled against people who are pathologically adverse to work, rather than drug users in particular?

TPD

Flutt - as you see it, you are currently subsidising these jerks. All them no good layabouts who are wasting their dole on grass, you pay when they overdose (or whatever it is you think happens). You pay, because the stoner wasters themselves pay no tax.

Surely you of all people should support legalising and taxing cannabis? Let them pay for their own electroshock treatment.

Zzippy

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I would agree with that point.

However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

Are there not?

Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

As with most of your posts in this forum, you're talking a load of sh1te...

paky

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Considering there are so many people in this country who are cannabis lovers, what would happen if through some internet camapign or the likes, each and every one agreed to plant the odd cannabis plant in various random locations all over the country?
Would it become established as a wild plant spreading here there and everywhere and rendering it's illegal status more or less pointless, or would you all just have the best of intentions regarding planting it, but then just stay home eating lion bars and watching family guy re runs
I wouldn't really be a cannabis fan myself and i freely admit i know very little about it's cultivation, but i seem to remember seeing a tv show which claimed it was one of the only plants that grew in all soil types and more or less all climates, so why isn't it everywhere?
I mean, if we can't get rid of things like giant hogweed, that nobody wants, why isn't something that maybe 25% actually do want, growing everywhere?

i'd be more in favour of harvesting it afterwards.

im planning on buying a polytunnel this summer...if u catch my drift :cool:

tricky D

Hemp of whatever strength is pretty easy to grow even in Ireland. HempIreland did it a few years ago, producing non-THC hemp for various industries under government licence in both judrisdictions. Everything about it was viable except the market was not keen to take it up due to public misconceptions. For a product with so much potential, it was a pity that the only people who buy decent quantities were the likes of stables using it for bedding.

As for clogging up A&E, quite the opposite, A&E would see a decrease due to the miniscule amount of damage compared to the booze. Stoners are well able to look after themselves despite the propaganda bull****. Vapourisers would wipe out any potential pulmonary problems, so pretty harmless really.

Cosimo Salvatore

There's just no talking to some people

haydar

When i was in New Zealand a fella told us about a hippy commune in the hills were they grew weed.

When the police found it they flew the weed away, to be destroyed, in nets hanging from helicopters thus spreading seeds all over the hills were it grows all over the place!!

People go there every year to get their own stuff now and its supposed to be great craic. Saw a few plants myself but no buds unfortunately:(

Badgermonkey

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

However there are also the pizza faced losers who from early morning to late at night are 'out of it'.

Are there not?

Fcuked if I am subsidising those jerks.

Undoubtedly so.

Most grow out of it though.

When measured against the scandalously high systemic wastage of public funds in health, third level institutions or Fas, it just seems trifling to me.