anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Hey, you mean this isn't the same Sinn Féin party from 1922? They just swiped the name?

I feel cheated!

Its the same Sinn Féin as Arthur Griffith founded in 1905

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Then why ask "How long are Labour and FF participating in elections in this state? SF are coming from much further back and are only 0.2% away from where Labour were 4 years ago so this in itself is monumental."

By that logic, SF have been in it longer than any other party, and their 4th place is rubbish.

You obviously dont know a lot of history, same about the people who thank your post.
Cumann na nGaedheal (later Fine Gael) was formed by the pro-treaty members of SF in 1922 which included Collins, Griffith, Cosgrave to show they were a distinct and seperate party. DeValera left SF in 1926 when he left to form Fianna Fail who have been in government for 61 of 85 years since. Labour were formed in 1914 as the political wing of ICTU by James Connolly and Jim Larkin.
Sinn Fein have only been participating in elections in this state since the 80's so the other parties have a 60 year head start on them in that respect. Although SF were the last government of a united Ireland which is point worth remembering. But none of them parties trebled their representation in this election.

Paul from the years on this website your clearly anti-SF. For what reason nobody knows.

I voted for SF myself and must say they done really well. I really like Pearse Doherty. he's young and actually knows what he is talking Mary Lou on the other hand seems to do them more bad than good.

Loved the fact Pearse said he wanted to cut ministers and TD's pay by 40% no surprise FG said they would oppose it, amazing they got elected to be honest their so called 5 point plan it's not actually a plan it's a load of **** created to gain votes.

I really believe FF didn't want to be in government. I must say I never liked FF but I think Micheal Martin is a very good speaker and hammered Eamon Gilmore in the debate. Labour were against this and that and now all for it nobody knows where they stand with them but thankfully FG didn't get overall majority. I'd rather Labour in with them than them alone.

What makes me sick is you see them all laughing. The so many promises made will be the past as the new TD's will become millionaires and have a great job for the next few years.

As Declan Ganly said, Labour, FG and FF had posters up for Lisbon treaty vote yes for recovery and jobs it's the only way. They lied that's why they didn't get my vote.

PauloMN wrote: »

If you read my posts you'd know why. And what do you mean for years? I've only dropped by here since the election campaign was on.



Pearse Doherty is a definite success for SF, again if you read my posts I have said this a few times. I gave him the due credit but of course the SF crew on here overlook that. FF made a complete balls of the by-election and he jumped all over it. Fair play to him. I also said that maybe when there's more new blood like him and the old guard types like Ferris etc. eventually go, SF might get stronger.

Micheal Martin will do a good job rebuilding FF. SF gained a lot of working class FF votes, and protest votes imo, and when we get out of this recession I suspect they'll drop off again a bit. Like I say, unless SF totally cut themselves off from this IRA stuff (including the members still there) and soften up their hard left outlook, they won't grow. If they do, they'll just be Labour.

What's the Lisbon Treaty got to do with this? This is a problem of bad banking practices, no regulation, over-heating in the property market combined with a normal cyclic recession. This is primarily an Irish problem and we have to get ourselves out of it. Telling Europe and the IMF to go away is not the way to solve this, we have to work with them. Do you think things would be better if we had not ratified the Lisbon Treaty?

I agree with a lot of what your saying. The fact is most loyalists haven't decommissioned so truth be told the IRA will never go away, it will always be there in the background, the deal they would decommission. I honestly couldn't care if they will be around for the next thousand years they put down the gun they should be given credit and SF are the party that got them to do that. The war was wrong but it wasn't the IRA who started it. The British army murdering people in 71, bloody Sunday innocent people were been burnt out of their houses simply because they were Irish that's why the IRA started up.

I agree Micheal will be the man to rebuild FF in 8 years we may see them back I wouldn't like to see them back though. The corruption is there for us to see. 30% of FF money came from property developers. They might get the blame but the fact is the government brought in the tax brakes and the banks were just throwing money at them. They could easily get 100 million over breakfast.

The Lisbon treaty is the parties lied. THey said the only way out of this was to vote yes. Yes for recovery, yes for jobs. Where are they?

Where not in the bond market and won't be for some time so why not burn the bond holders? Why is it in the last two weeks 750million has been paid to bond holders who were never under any type of guarantee. That's nearly 1 billion gone for nothing what so ever.

Burn the bond holders go to Japan/China for the loan of money. Even though we burned the bond holders we will still get people to lend to us.

We can't afford this debt. Then what will happen? The EU can't afford for us the default. Your wrong this sin't a Irish problem it's a EU problem, Spain, Portugal will be ****ed. We should play hard ball with the EU not bending over and taking it in the ass.

danger man wrote: »

yes you hit the nail on the head europe is our main problem.they raped our fishing fleet,oil and gas.then they gave us the euro and look where that is going down the tubes ,lisbon treaty what a joke ff stood up and called us gobsh1ts and made us vote again.owell thats what you get when you vote in europe yes men.we need leadership not a bunch of yes men.

WE can't pay the debt it's that simply. We will default in two years time it really is very scary what could happen. Fair enough FG might get/will get a 1% cut but that is nothing. What will happen then? We'll have to sell off everything every resource we have. Our forests like the UK were doing will have to be sold off and that's only the start. Look it up the Swiss are rubbing their hands waiting to get in.

USA put 20 trillion into banks! Imagine what could have happened with that money. Millions die of starving .The world would never have to count on oil. Amazing something comes up like Iraq war the oil price goes up. The USA so called freed Iraq therefore now Iraq's oil is on the market wouldn't that make the cost go down? Not drive it up.

We're ****ed but not just us I believe the world is ****ed. The world system isn't working.

Anyone IMO who earns over a million a year paid by the government should be cut by 60% until we get things working again. Why is it the ESB can make huge money every year, why not cut the costs for the people who use it, oh yeah I forgot the oil price. It's all crap IMO.

I really wish every person elected the best of look they all seemed to talk the talk but this happens everytime once their there they seem to do little.

we will go back to the punt, to many countries are involved in this now, it is like a good case of the gangrene spreading like crazy,

the EU is about to tip into the bucket of ****te it created,

FG would like a united states of Europe, how would that sit with yis.

the other option is to join the sterling, become part of the British monetary system, sure nobody will mess with them.

The Brigadier wrote: »

That doesn't really fit with your first comment.



You and the other Nationalist-Socialists seem to think that you have somehow received a mandate to govern. You haven't.

Who said anything about 'Govern'?

And you and your fellow apologists for Franco fascists are trying to say that the party we voted for doesn't have a right to be in the Dail! The people who voted for Sinn Fein gave the mandate to pursue democratic means to further the Republican ideals.

Get used to it. You might not like what we are about but by God you will have to put up with us. Get over it my friend.:P

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate sinn fein on there recent success, i also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build substantially from this on. i hope when we have another general election 12-18 months from now, that they will run enough candidates to achieve an overall majority we especially need a sinn feinn candidate in south Kerry, as it was a mistake.

LordSutch wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

labour will be mad going in the FG. they're going to get the blame for whats to come.

lugha wrote: »

But this is what responsible political parties do. They are prepared to sacrifice popularity in order to serve their country.
And yes, they will get blamed. As will FG. As would / will SF, if and when they are in power when difficult decisions have to be made.
It is interesting that there seems to be a lot more discussion from SF supporters about what SF could best do to help SF than there is about what they could best do to help the country.

The same type of points are being made by elected Labour TD's and Labour's youth wing

LordSutch wrote: »

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Fine Gael on there recent 76 seat success, I also wish them continued prosperity and hope they will build a solid relationship with Labour in the coming months. I hope that when we have another general election 4-5 years from now, Fine Gael & Labour will once again achieve an overall majority, we especially need extra Fine Gael & Labour candidates in Donegal SW + several other constituencies.

With respect sir i believe that this government is already doomed to fail before it begins and that labour have given up any rights it had to be called a left wing part, they are now a centrist party similar in policy's to FF/FG all of whom, have signed the people of ireland into a contract which will prove to be impossible to honour. it will be a mere charade and last 12-18 months. i will be glad to tell you why but i doubt if you would want me to. the fact is with a little foresight and imagination you would see what i can see.ta ar la ag teacht ,tiocfaidh se agus ni beidh se fada anois:)