anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:02AM

garhjw wrote: »

lets see
- there is about a €50bn whole in their "economic" poilicy
- pandering to the trade unions which are as much to blame for the mess this country is in as fianna fail or the bankers
- jerry adams didn't even know the VAT rate in this country. that is an insult to the people he wishes to represent. how can they develop "economic" policies if they don't know what the VAT rate is?

The only even "point" you made was the third one. I honestly don't get what your point is. When I challenged you to make 3 points, you have the ability to be civil. Now, why didn't you go like that before? Check out the debate between me and your man a few hours ago, we got a bit heated I think but we were still fine with one another. You just snapped, it was like you honestly believed I'm incapable of making a decision for myself.

Dan_Solo · 26-02-2011 01:03AM

garhjw wrote: »

- pandering to the trade unions which are as much to blame for the mess this country is in as fianna fail or the bankers

Really? Looks to me like things were fine until private companies bribed their way onto the public balance sheet.
Where were the IMF 2 years ago before the bailouts? Oh, we didn't need them...

garhjw · 26-02-2011 01:06AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

The only even "point" you made was the third one. I honestly don't get what your point is. When I challenged you to make 3 points, you have the ability to be civil. Now, why didn't you go like that before? Check out the debate between me and your man a few hours ago, we got a bit heated I think but we were still fine with one another. You just snapped, it was like you honestly believed I'm incapable of making a decision for myself.

how can you say trade unions aren't part of the problem? i'll give you 4 examples of where trade unions have ruined or almost ruined companies:

1 IGB
2 Waterford Wedgewood
3 Eircom
4 Aer Lingus

i'm n ot snapping anywhere but i am unable to see how sinn fein can contribute to the recovery of this country.

SafeSurfer · 26-02-2011 01:08AM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

The great thing I am seeing from this thread is that the people who know nothing or very little about SF have been educated,

I also see their language softening as the thread grows,

I think weeee know there is 1 particular member who from the start was jumping in playing devils advocate and has now seen sense,

all the negatives in this thread are worth it because it gave the chance to create so many more positives,

it was all good reading (well most of it ) GL SF in the up and coming count,

to the rest of Ireland, they have sown the seeds and the crop is getting stronger, the weeds will soon be gone and the SF POLITICAL strength will fix the mess.

after this election they will never be going away.

In fairness its hard for any party to lose support in opposition at a time of massive cut backs and tax increases.
The election after Sinn Fein first get into government in the south will decide if you go the way of the Greens, PDs and other fringe parties or not.

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:09AM

garhjw wrote: »

how can you say trade unions aren't part of the problem? i'll give you 4 examples of where trade unions have ruined or almost ruined companies:

1 IGB
2 Waterford Wedgewood
3 Eircom
4 Aer Lingus

i'm n ot snapping anywhere but i am unable to see how sinn fein can contribute to the recovery of this country.

I had a review of the policies of those that appealed to me. Gay marriage is something important to me, so that really just left labour and SF. I had a further look, took that quiz thingy and still found myself between those two. So I voted and was happy with my vote. Who knows? MY vote might make no difference and your lads will get in or my vote will make a difference and the downfall will be because of me.

Dan_Solo · 26-02-2011 01:12AM

garhjw wrote: »

how can you say trade unions aren't part of the problem?

Ah yes, let's go back to the 1800s and let the cops beat the tar out of anyone who goes on strike.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 01:13AM

garhjw wrote: »

jerry [sic] adams didn't even know the VAT rate in this country.

I've seen this come up quite a few times throughout this thread. Has anyone got a link to show me where/when this went down?

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:14AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I've seen this come up quite a few times throughout this thread. Has anyone got a link to show me where/when this went down?

I'm wondering this one myself. Although, I think his problem was he was dealing with mostly the north and he honestly could have just forgot or gotten mixed up.

celtictiger32 · 26-02-2011 01:18AM

ah well the votes are in and we're in the dying hours of this thread, all we can do now is wait. the fun part will start soon. i enjoyed our little foray over the last few days (nostalgic isnt it lol). i feel like jerry springer giving his 'final thought'. i would say its a fair bet that fianna fails little brother,oops sorry i mean fine gael will top the poll, more than likely followed by the lap dogs labour. and then...... and then........ maybe, and just maybe, if the galway races tentpoles really collapse we just might make the next step for SF to lead the opposition. wouldnt that be nice. byeeeee all.

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:20AM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

ah well the votes are in and we're in the dying hours of this thread, all we can do now is wait. the fun part will start soon. i enjoyed our little foray over the last few days (nostalgic isnt it lol). i feel like jerry springer giving his 'final thought'. i would say its a fair bet that fianna fails little brother,oops sorry i mean fine gael will top the poll, more than likely followed by the lap dogs labour. and then...... and then........ maybe, and just maybe, if the galway races tentpoles really collapse we just might make the next step for SF to lead the opposition. wouldnt that be nice. byeeeee all.

You know, an election can be a dangerous thing. Most of the time, what is right for you isn't what's right for everyone. Sometimes you have to put yourself second and put others first. Although you may think you're voting for the best candidate; ultimately, it comes down to what really is the right thing to do.

There, that's your final though Jerry. :P

Dan_Solo · 26-02-2011 01:21AM

Yup, let's just snooze on it. See you guys for a coffee and bacon buttie for the count in the morning!

garhjw · 26-02-2011 01:21AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I'm wondering this one myself. Although, I think his problem was he was dealing with mostly the north and he honestly could have just forgot or gotten mixed up.

this is fundamental...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:22AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yup, let's just snooze on it. See you guys for a coffee and bacon buttie for the count in the morning!

Ah you're right. If worse comes to worse we can divide the lines and murder each other in a few days for the next election!

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:24AM

garhjw wrote: »

this is fundamental...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoGl78MzWY

Hmm... I don't mean to sound defensive of him. But I don't think it was a full conference. It looks just like some reporter stopped him and gave him a quick Q&A. Again, I could be wrong. But I honestly don't see what's wrong with just forgetting some things. I'm not being overly defensive of things but let's face it, we always muck things up, it's human nature.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 01:29AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Hmm... I don't mean to sound defensive of him. But I don't think it was a full conference. It looks just like some reporter stopped him and gave him a quick Q&A. Again, I could be wrong. But I honestly don't see what's wrong with just forgetting some things. I'm not being overly defensive of things but let's face it, we always muck things up, it's human nature.

I'd be the first to give someone the benefit of the doubt...but having watched that...it was embarassing

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:33AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'd be the first to give someone the benefit of the doubt...but having watched that...it was embarassing

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

caseyann · 26-02-2011 01:35AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

Its like when you have a big speech to write and you have the prefect word and you just cant spit it out and its right there in on tip of tongue.:D
Everyone does that.No biggie.

SafeSurfer · 26-02-2011 01:37AM

Having watched Bill Tormey on the Vincent Brown show tonight I would gladly give Gerry Adams a preference ahead of him in any election.

Scary stuff.

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:39AM

caseyann wrote: »

Its like when you have a big speech to write and you have the prefect word and you just cant spit it out and its right there in on tip of tongue.:D
Everyone does that.No biggie.

Exactly, a complete mess up. But politicions can't make mistakes and not be torn apart. I honestly was expecting something along the lines of "and the VAT rate of Ireland at 60% is just too high" (actually sir, it's not 60%) "Well whatever the hell it is, it's just too high or too low and we won't stand for it but it doesn't matter what the amount is, we're against it". I just thought to myself "you feckin' eejit" when I saw it. It's funny how one mistake can be tarred as not knowing things.

caseyann · 26-02-2011 01:49AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Having watched Bill Tormey on the Vincent Brown show tonight I would gladly give Gerry Adams a preference ahead of him in any election.

Scary stuff.

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Are you trying to scare me :eek:

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Exactly, a complete mess up. But politicions can't make mistakes and not be torn apart. I honestly was expecting something along the lines of "and the VAT rate of Ireland at 60% is just too high" (actually sir, it's not 60%) "Well whatever the hell it is, it's just too high or too low and we won't stand for it but it doesn't matter what the amount is, we're against it". I just thought to myself "you feckin' eejit" when I saw it. It's funny how one mistake can be tarred as not knowing things.

Anything to poke at someone and get it out in media just to their advantage.
No low blows from Sinn féin though as i saw.Shows something.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 01:50AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I know that but I just can think back to a time when I was in school trying out for the oral exam and there was a word in English in it (it was an Irish oral) and I was stuck on it. I honestly couldn't say it, my Irish was perfect but... that one English word just cause me to completely halt. I understand that it was embarrassing but at the same time I can imagine him watching it with his friends and just saying "ah feck it, I'm an eejit". I don't think he did it on purpose (as in he generally didn't want to know). The fact he blatantly said it but without a kind of pause says to me he wasn't prepared to have to answer that and more importantly, he wasn't going to hide from the fact of it.

It's the sort of thing that's a stupid mistake but the media as per usual made it out that he doesn't care about the VAT or something stupid like that.

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

caseyann · 26-02-2011 01:52AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

Oh what like BC AND BAH AND BL etc....... not knowing the state of the countries finances or economics and what their banker buddies etc.. were up to? Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is worse to have a mental block for a second or a mental block by choice for years that cost the country

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 01:58AM

caseyann wrote: »

Anything to poke at someone and get it out in media just to their advantage.
No low blows from Sinn féin though as i saw.Shows something.

I think at this point all the parties (apart from the FF) are just tryng to get in and try thier best to fix things.

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. You can't defend the indefensible. It's something he should know of the top of his head. At the same time, that's why he's got a finance minister.

No, it's something he should know when he's in a Q&A he can prefer for. Besdies, I think he just forgot and he didn't want to fumble about and just admitted he forgot it.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 02:07AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I think he just...admitted he forgot it.

He didn't admit that he forgot it though. He was asked if he knew the VAT rate and he said he didn't. He didn't say, "I've forgotten."

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 02:09AM

Penfailed wrote: »

He didn't admit that he forgot it though. He was asked if he knew the VAT rate and he said he didn't. He didn't say, "I've forgotten."

Oh no, I didn't mean he said "i've forgotten". What I meant was *40 seconds of fumbling then finally admitting he forgot it". Whereas he blatantly said "I don't know". Which was impressive in itself.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 02:12AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Which was impressive in itself.

I wasn't impressed

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 02:15AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I wasn't impressed

I'd rather a man that admits fault that one that fumbles and refuses to admit fault.

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 02:21AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I'd rather a man that admits fault that one that fumbles and refuses to admit fault.

That's fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Not everyone agrees with everyone else though

Chaotic_Forces · 26-02-2011 02:24AM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's fair enough. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Not everyone agrees with everyone else though

Oh I understand that. I can understand completely why you might think he should have known it and why I shouldn't like the fact he admitted he didn't know. But... so long as those FF feckers are out, we're friends. :P

Penfailed · 26-02-2011 02:26AM

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

But... so long as those FF feckers are
out, we're friends. :P

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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