anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:33PM

Souljacker_ wrote: »

FF are a republican party in name too.. Their reason for exsistance was and is a united Ireland... any political stances they hold beyond that are wholely and entirely secondary. Not a criticism, just a fact.

Republicanism and nationalism are not mutually exclusive

You're right Fianna Fail are a republican party in name but SF are a republican party in their policy. Sinn Fein exist for a better Ireland and their main policy is Irish unity, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael both came out of Sinn Fein the same way the Workers Party (present Labour leadership) and the likes of practically extinct groups like Republican Sinn Fein. Irish freedom has dominated Irish politics for centuries and has only been put on the backburner in recent years because FF and FG know they havent got the policies to achieve it. Former FG leader John Bruton once described a visit by prince Charles to Dublin as his proudest moment so that tells you all you need to know about their stance.

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 08:35PM

Nodin wrote: »

You're saying the DUP aren't religous fundamentalists..........?

I think 'both' was the operative word

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:38PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well I'd put SF/IRA in the same bracket as the Nazi's, but Fine Gael & the DUP both being religious fundamentalists? is just silly, but funny

Fine Gael are christian democrats are they not?? because thats a main party of their ideology.
And for you to think the DUP arent religious fundamentalists show your level of intelligence. Sinn Fein/IRA was a term used by the DUP to put members in the same bracket when loyalist paramilitaries started shooting Sinn Fein members rathers than IRA members.
Speaking of the Nazi party, I'd put the Israeli government in the same bracket as the Nazis. I seem to remeber Israeli flags flying on the Shankhill Road beside the union jack in recent times.

gsxr1 · 25-02-2011 08:41PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Well I'd put SF/IRA in the same bracket as the Nazi's, but Fine Gael & the DUP both being religious fundamentalists? is just silly, but funny

I could agree with you in some of your past points but your insistence in using the term
SF/IRA reminds me of the rants of Gregory Campbell and Ian Paisley . The two people that hated catholics and the Irish the most in the country .
You really should tone it down as you look like a bigot with such terms.

LordSutch · 25-02-2011 08:45PM

Nodin wrote: »

You're saying the DUP aren't religous fundamentalists..........?

They are, but Fine Gael certainly are not, as we all well know.

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 08:45PM

Dotsey wrote: »

You're right Fianna Fail are a republican party in name but SF are a republican party in their policy. Sinn Fein exist for a better Ireland and their main policy is Irish unity, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael both came out of Sinn Fein the same way the Workers Party (present Labour leadership) and the likes of practically extinct groups like Republican Sinn Fein. Irish freedom has dominated Irish politics for centuries and has only been put on the backburner in recent years because FF and FG know they havent got the policies to achieve it. Former FG leader once described a visit by prince Charles to Dublin as his proudest moment so that tells you all you need to know about their stance.

Oh dear... no again the fact you bring prince charles into the equation shows how much nationalism means to you. The quote you're taking about is taken out of context.
Gerry Adams would probabily say peace in NI is 'his' proudest agreement, I'd imagine, further progress towards the normalisation between relations between the Uk an Ireland, demonstated by a head of one state coming to meet another is what was meant but you'd prefer to see it as FG being a closet british party which the vast majority of Irish people would find laughable.

As for the rest of your post you're basically saying you agree with me? .... ok yes so we've establised Irish unity is the MOST important thing to Sinn Fein. Glad we can agree on that as it was the thrust of my original post.

lugha · 25-02-2011 08:48PM

Dotsey wrote: »

As the Second Dáil ....

Yes, I am aware of the truly surreal logic used by republicans, appealing to the second Dail. It makes protocols relating to the royal family seem positively progressive.

PauloMN · 25-02-2011 08:54PM

Dotsey wrote: »

When you're livelyhood has been taken over by "blacks" coupled with a recession and less people using taxis they vent their anger at "blacks" who I have to admit have Dublin city centre swamped with taxis. A lot of the African drivers have had their taxis set up and paid for by the social welfare and any I've been in had a shocking lack of local geographical knowledge. You have to remember that a lot of the Irish drivers paid large sums for their plates before deregulation. So although wrong its understandable. Most taxi drivers are union members anyway and the unions have been advising people in a veiled way to vote Labour actually

Proves my point though. Scratch the surface a little, and some of the SF supporters bleating on about being socialists and anti-nazi/anti-racist/anti-fascist etc. are pretty racist. Had the same from a SF supporter on another thread who was making a point about "immigrants" and hinting about them taking Irish jobs etc.. How does that sit with far-left values?

While I have some sympathy with taxi drivers who spent a fortune on their plates, that was their choice. It's a gamble like anything. I don't see owners of other businesses who have taken a chance and failed at it getting the same airing as taxi drivers.

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 08:54PM

Souljacker_ wrote: »

Oh dear... no again the fact you bring prince charles into the equation shows how much nationalism means to you. The quote you're taking about is taken out of context.
Gerry Adams would probabily say peace in NI is 'his' proudest agreement, I'd imagine, further progress towards the normalisation between relations between the Uk an Ireland, demonstated by a head of one state coming to meet another is what was meant but you'd prefer to see it as FG being a closet british party which the vast majority of Irish people would find laughable.

As for the rest of your post you're basically saying you agree with me? .... ok yes so we've establised Irish unity is the MOST important thing to Sinn Fein. Glad we can agree on that as it was the thrust of my original post.

Irish unity and Irish freedom are important and as I said its the single most important thing in Irish politics for hundreds of years and we cant escape that fact. I asked a Labour canvasser the other day on the doorstep what his parties position was on Irish unity and he stuttered and shuffled and start waffling about something off topic. I'd have asked Fine Gael but they dont come near my area as they stay in more affluent areas of the constituency.
Any way in two days when the election is over and counted this thread will be all quiet and we can all go back to living our normal lives.

LordSutch · 25-02-2011 08:59PM

gsxr1 wrote: »

I could agree with you in some of your past points but your insistence in using the term SF/IRA reminds me of the rants of Gregory Campbell and Ian Paisley. The two people that hated catholics and the Irish the most in the country. You really should tone it down as you look like a bigot with such terms.

Catholics are by and large good people, as are most Protestants, but I stand by using the term SF/IRA deliberately in this thread. This thread is a Sinn Fein propaganda thread, and I'll be buggered if the Shinners just strut along without being reminded about their alter ego, (which I remember only too well from the 70s 80s 90s). I certainly am not a bigot, but I do despise the political wing of the PIRA namely (Sinn Fein), specially when they now pass themselves off to the youff of today as a nice & fluffy peace making political party - vomit :mad:

PS; Paisley doesn't hate 'Catholics' or Irish people, but he does hate the ROMAN catholic Church & all its idolatrous trappings, I don't know about Campbells beliefs.

PauloMN · 25-02-2011 09:02PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein are a Republican party not a nationalist party. Big difference

Absolutely, we can agree on that, thanks for clarifying. I would consider myself a nationalist but not in a million years would I support Sinn Féin or the republican movement.

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 09:02PM

lugha wrote: »

Yes, I am aware of the truly surreal logic used by republicans, appealing to the second Dail. It makes protocols relating to the royal family seem positively progressive.

I gave that point about the second Dail as I predict some people on here could be unaware as why the IRA claimed on occassion to be the legitimate government of Ireland. I know members of the IRA who didnt believe it, it was more a claim that Mr P O'Neill threw out every now and again in his statements.

PauloMN wrote: »

Proves my point though. Scratch the surface a little, and some of the SF supporters bleating on about being socialists and anti-nazi/anti-racist/anti-fascist etc. are pretty racist. Had the same from a SF supporter on another thread who was making a point about "immigrants" and hinting about them taking Irish jobs etc.. How does that sit with far-left values?

While I have some sympathy with taxi drivers who spent a fortune on their plates, that was their choice. It's a gamble like anything. I don't see owners of other businesses who have taken a chance and failed at it getting the same airing as taxi drivers.

I didnt say whether I agree with taxi drivers but I'm merely giving a point from their point of view, saying I can understand their feelings when its difficult to make a living and when you look around all you can see is immigrant taxi drivers its pretty obvious feelings are going to be vented in that direction.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 09:04PM

danger man wrote: »

mmmmmm? are you realy a self hating plastic paddy ??

You were warned about that already.

25-02-2011 09:06PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Catholics are by and large good people, as are most Protestants, but I stand by using the term SF/IRA deliberately in this thread. This thread is a Sinn Fein propaganda thread, and I'll be buggered if the Shinners just strut along without being reminded about their alter ego, (which I remember only too well from the 70s 80s 90s). I certainly am not a bigot, but I do despise the political wing of the PIRA namely (Sinn Fein), specially when they now pass themselves off to the youff of today as a nice & fluffy peace making political party - vomit :mad:

PS; Paisley doesn't hate 'Catholics' or Irish people, but he does hate the ROMAN catholic Church & all its idolatrous trappings, I don't know about Campbells beliefs.

Why bring religion into this?

It's all make believe anyway

LordSutch · 25-02-2011 09:07PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Why bring religion into this?

Very good point, but I was replying to another poster.

ch750536 · 25-02-2011 09:08PM

I did. The only ones with the balls to recognise this is a 1 issue election.

BGPKAV · 25-02-2011 09:11PM

yep just voted sf

dabestman1 · 25-02-2011 09:12PM

comparing SF to the BNP is laughable, never heard SF referred as right wing before. These comments wud be a joke only the poster seems to believe it, which makes me think he/she may not be the sharpest tool in the shed.

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:26PM

outandabout wrote: »

I might vote for them in ten years time when Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and others involved in the original Provisional Sinn Fein are no longer involved in politics.

I feel the same way. As I said, I'm not voting for Sinn Fein but an honest read of candidates election papers showed me how much talent is within the party. The country needs all the help it can get, and that includes SF T.D.'s. Hopefully, when the old guard retire there will still be enough talent for me to give a Sinn Fein candidate my vote.

Dan_Solo · 25-02-2011 09:26PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

My fathers parents were from Mayo and Roscommon. My mothers parents were from Dublin. I have an Irish passport and I went to school in Ireland. My mother and brothers still live in Dublin.

I guess that makes me British.

So both of your parents were born in England, as were you.
I guess that does make you British.

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 09:27PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Irish unity and Irish freedom are important and as I said its the single most important thing in Irish politics for hundreds of years and we cant escape that fact. I asked a Labour canvasser the other day on the doorstep what his parties position was on Irish unity and he stuttered and shuffled and start waffling about something off topic. I'd have asked Fine Gael but they dont come near my area as they stay in more affluent areas of the constituency.
Any way in two days when the election is over and counted this thread will be all quiet and we can all go back to living our normal lives.

For you and Sinn Fein it's the single most important thing in irish politics but for the vast majorty of people in Ireland, (who'll vote FG, Labour FF Greens, ULA and independents) it's not..

Fair dues you know what's important to you and I respect that but it's not important to me which is what i don't vote sinn fein, there's much more important things to be worried about

Dan_Solo · 25-02-2011 09:28PM

dabestman1 wrote: »

comparing SF to the BNP is laughable, never heard SF referred as right wing before. These comments wud be a joke only the poster seems to believe it, which makes me think he/she may not be the sharpest tool in the shed.

What's even more nuts is that they are apparently hard-left and hard-right at the same time. That must make them a centrist party I suppose.:D

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:31PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you must be getting me mixed up with somebody else i couldnt give a flyin fcuk what what the ordianry men and women of ireland want as far as iam concerned if your not republican your not irish

Glad to hear your true beliefs at last.

Antrim_Man · 25-02-2011 09:32PM

Gave SF No1 gave a Labour person I know number 2, Jim Tallon number 3 :Dand the rest feck all

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:34PM

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

i wonder how many anti sf people here would still take the same stance if they happen to be born across the border and witnessed their friends family etc been shot by loyalists and pulled from their homes.if they say they yould have let this happen and not defended themselves I would be shocked.totally different lives down here to up there.

Then how come thousands of Catholic nationalists didn't join the IRA? For most of the Troubles the likes of the SDLP were the representatives of thousands of Northern Irish catholics, and they NEVER endorsed voilence.

Souljacker_ · 25-02-2011 09:36PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What's even more nuts is that they are apparently hard-left and hard-right at the same time. That must make them a centrist party I suppose.:D

But regardless of their political posturing they're both nationalist parties.. again just an observation. Natinalism is the reason de etre for both.

Nodin · 25-02-2011 09:36PM

Dotsey wrote: »

When you're livelyhood has been taken over by "blacks" coupled with a recession and less people using taxis they vent their anger at "blacks" who I have to admit have Dublin city centre swamped with taxis. A lot of the African drivers have had their taxis set up and paid for by the social welfare and any I've been in had a shocking lack of local geographical knowledge. You have to remember that a lot of the Irish drivers paid large sums for their plates before deregulation. So although wrong its understandable. Most taxi drivers are union members anyway and the unions have been advising people in a veiled way to vote Labour actually

Apart from the crap about social welfare paying for taxis, you do realise that post is full of the kind of thing that SF is totally against? Please don't associate yourself with an organisation you clearly know nothing about.

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:37PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

i do not know any terrorists and can safely say that while i have seen plenty i dont know any by name and am only stating what is being reported in the paper given your title you would most likely be in a better position on how well the recruitment is going for the terrorists

The Brigadier was not a member of that kind of army. I should know; I used to be his scientific adviser.

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:40PM

SEVERA wrote: »

it is my belief as a republican Irishman, that much of the anti sinn fein sentiment being voiced in this thread is not through hatred but through fear.
fear of having to think outside the box. fear of having to standing up against the parish pump politics that has us on our knees, politics where the chosen few gain, to the cost of many humble hard working decent Irish men and women.
its time to stand up,stand up for change
its time to vote without fear
now is the time to vote sinn fein

In my case, yes, it is fear. I fear what will happen to Ireland if a party who have never ceased supporting the IRA become part of our government. Maybe once the current leadership retires I could give them my vote, but not till then.

Adrian009 · 25-02-2011 09:42PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

some of the props and special effects where very poor

Now look here! Supporting and voting for Sinn Fein is all very well - but in dissing Doctor Who you have crossed the line!:D

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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