Cllr fined for throwing paint at Mary Harney

Twigster · 25-02-2011 07:21PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0225/harneym.html

Ms Minihan refused to make a payment to a charity nominated by Ms Harney and said she would only make a contribution to Cherry Orchard Hospital.
The judge said it was not for her to choose the charity and instead imposed a two-month suspended sentence. Ms Minihan also refused to do community service, so Judge Watkin imposed a fine on the assault charge.

I don't want to start a thread on what was done, whether or not it was right or wrong.
My question is since when do criminals have a choice of what their sentence should be? Does the judge ask the person what they'd prefer to do? I'd think that if the judge passed a sentence if someone refused to carry out they should be held in contempt of court and jailed, not just given a fine.

yoyo · 25-02-2011 07:26PM

Proper order too. Have no time for Harney either, certainly not the best "minister for health" but no one deserves to be treated like that, and I agree throwing paint at someone is assault in protest or otherwise,

Nick

Chuchoter · 25-02-2011 07:31PM

And rightly so. I might not like Mary Harney but she didn't deserve paint thrown at her. The whole thing was just childish.

whoopdedoo · 25-02-2011 07:32PM

fat Cnut!!

should have been blood spilled and not paint!!

Pauleta · 25-02-2011 07:35PM

I see the guilty female got an ovation from her left wing loony republican mates when she left court. It shows the far left condone violence.

super_furry · 25-02-2011 07:36PM

Pauleta wrote: »

I see the guilty female got an ovation from her left wing loony republican mates when she left court. It shows the far left condone violence.

No, it shows that fringe Republicans are nutters.

whoopdedoo · 25-02-2011 07:37PM

Pauleta wrote: »

I see the guilty female got an ovation from her left wing loony republican mates when she left court. It shows the far left condone violence.

will a stop, a bullet would be too good for harney the witch!!! fair played to her and her supporters

landsleaving · 25-02-2011 07:38PM

Pauleta wrote: »

I see the guilty female got an ovation from her left wing loony republican mates when she left court. It shows the far left condone violence.

We must do what is necessary to create a classless society, da comrade?

Twigster · 25-02-2011 07:42PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

will a stop, a bullet would be too good for harney the witch!!! fair played to her and her supporters

Did you not read the post? what i said was, what gives someone convicted of a criminal offense the right to refuse a certain punishment.

Lawrence1895 · 25-02-2011 07:42PM

I wonder, if there would have been the same outcry, if some Nazi sc** would have attacked Gerry Adams or Joe Higgins.

I admit, I'm exaggerating a bit, but in my opinion, Louise's political belief draw some more attention onto the case.

Pauleta · 25-02-2011 07:48PM

Lars1916 wrote: »

I wonder, if there would have been the same outcry, if some Nazi sc** would have attacked Gerry Adams or Joe Higgins.

I admit, I'm exaggerating a bit, but in my opinion, Louise's political belief draw some more attention onto the case.

There would of been more outrage if it was a far-right group than a far-left group. Far right groups are not tolerated in Ireland and rightly so but for some reason the far left are.

galwayrush · 25-02-2011 07:51PM

No time for either of those people...

Lawrence1895 · 25-02-2011 07:56PM

Pauleta wrote: »

There would of been more outrage if it was a far-right group than a far-left group. Far right groups are not tolerated in Ireland and rightly so but for some reason the far left are.

The non-existence of far right groups was one reason for me to choose Ireland when I left Germany 6.5 years ago.

But on the other hand, I still think, parties like Sinn Fein are under some kind of severe scrutiny from the Media...sometimes deserved, but sometimes not

biscuiteater · 25-02-2011 08:02PM

Twigster wrote: »

My question is since when do criminals have a choice of what their sentence should be? Does the judge ask the person what they'd prefer to do? .

i think you'll only get that kind of choice if you've got a good job, bet if she had no job or looked like she was from a poor background it would have been a different story

Bosco boy · 25-02-2011 08:11PM

whoopdedoo wrote: »

will a stop, a bullet would be too good for harney the witch!!! fair played to her and her supporters

I guess she'll have to resign her seat in the council now that she is a convicted criminal! Tough girl the day it happened, quite girl today!

WindSock · 25-02-2011 08:15PM

I wonder if she would have prosecuted had the woman thrown a pie in her face instead?

FlutterinBantam · 25-02-2011 08:18PM

Bint should have been sent to the chokey.

That might soften her cough.

karma_ · 25-02-2011 08:18PM

WindSock wrote: »

I wonder if she would have prosecuted had the woman thrown a pie in her face instead?

The pie would never have made it.

karma_ · 25-02-2011 08:19PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Bint should have been sent to the chokey.

That might soften her cough.

You would know all about that.

loobylou · 25-02-2011 08:44PM

When a pensioner threw eggs (far more dangerous) at AIB chairman Dermot Gleeson he was feted as a national hero.
Whats different here?

mikemac · 25-02-2011 10:24PM

loobylou wrote: »

When a pensioner threw eggs (far more dangerous) at AIB chairman Dermot Gleeson he was feted as a national hero.
Whats different here?

No he wasn't.
And he wasn't some poor pensioner struggling to survive, just a disgruntled shareholder

He invested his money in bank shares and lost a lot of it.
Never heard of spreading the risk it seems

Shelga · 25-02-2011 10:27PM

She should have been given a month in prison and made to pay all court costs. What an utter idiot.

loobylou · 25-02-2011 10:36PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

No he wasn't.
And he wasn't some poor pensioner struggling to survive, just a disgruntled shareholder

OK then, an elderly disgruntled shareholder assaulted a banker. He was interviewed (sympathetically) by any number of radio stations, appeared on RTE news, pictured in newspapers, etc.
He wasn't charged with anything and many people seemed to admire his behaviour.
How is what he did different to what this Minihan person did?

major bill · 25-02-2011 10:38PM

Twigster wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0225/harneym.html

I don't want to start a thread on what was done, whether or not it was right or wrong.
My question is since when do criminals have a choice of what their sentence should be? Does the judge ask the person what they'd prefer to do? I'd think that if the judge passed a sentence if someone refused to carry out they should be held in contempt of court and jailed, not just given a fine.

first off she is not a criminal....thrown paint at someone is hardly a criminal offence..to think that she got a two year suspended sentence just shows how laughable the justice system is in this country. How many people have died in this country from inadequate government health ministers??

:rolleyes: jesus wept

panda100 · 25-02-2011 10:44PM

I've been working in the disability sector for the last few years,on the front line of the HSE, and I for one was delighted when I heared about the paint attack on Harney. She completely and utterly deserved that 5 seconds of discomfort for what she has inflicted on the people of Ireland.

The councilwomen was dead right to refuse to give the money to a charity of Harney's choice. I can't believe people are supporting she of the €410 haircut who earned more in her once off retirement bonus then a disability support worker does in €15 years working with the HSE.

Bosco boy · 25-02-2011 10:45PM

loobylou wrote: »

OK then, an elderly disgruntled shareholder assaulted a banker. He was interviewed (sympathetically) by any number of radio stations, appeared on RTE news, pictured in newspapers, etc.
He wasn't charged with anything and many people seemed to admire his behaviour.
How is what he did different to what this Minihan person did?

The difference is the banker didn't make a complaint!

FlutterinBantam · 25-02-2011 10:45PM

major bill wrote: »

first off she is not a criminal....thrown paint at someone is hardly a criminal offence..to think that she got a two year suspended sentence just shows how laughable the justice system is in this country. How many people have died in this country from inadequate government health ministers??

:rolleyes: jesus wept

Saw her coming out of court, with a boneheaded gimp,with a dodgy haircut, trying to rise applause by her side.

God help us all if people like that ever get near power.

Idiots who have no idea where responsibility or democracy even begins.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 25-02-2011 10:49PM

major bill wrote: »

first off she is not a criminal....thrown paint at someone is hardly a criminal offence..to think that she got a two year suspended sentence just shows how laughable the justice system is in this country. How many people have died in this country from inadequate government health ministers??

:rolleyes: jesus wept

Of course it's a criminal offence, it's the definition of assualt, you can't change that just ti appease some people who feel aggrieved.
Should someone throw paint, or any object or liquid, at you then it is assault. It is the exact same for Harney.

This lady chose to assault someone as a form of protest. She went in with her eyes open and as such deserves a punishment. This is common sense, justice should be blind

major bill · 25-02-2011 10:55PM

Raiden Cuddly Ink wrote: »

Of course it's a criminal offence, it's the definition of assualt, you can't change that just ti appease some people who feel aggrieved.
Should someone throw paint, or any object or liquid, at you then it is assault. It is the exact same for Harney.

This lady chose to assault someone as a form of protest. She went in with her eyes open and as such deserves a punishment. This is common sense, justice should be blind

If I threw paint at a person on the street i wouldnt be fined over 1500 and giving a two year suspended sentence..justice in this case wasnt blind!!!

Sonnenblumen · 25-02-2011 11:03PM

panda100 wrote: »

I've been working in the disability sector for the last few years,on the front line of the HSE, and I for one was delighted when I heared about the paint attack on Harney. She completely and utterly deserved that 5 seconds of discomfort for what she has inflicted on the people of Ireland.

The councilwomen was dead right to refuse to give the money to a charity of Harney's choice. I can't believe people are supporting she of the €410 haircut who earned more in her once off retirement bonus then a disability support worker does in €15 years working with the HSE.

If reports are anything to go by, HSE workers are hardly in any position to complain. Afterall, more of them earn more money than more people throughout Ireland and work less for the privilege.

HSE should be before a court!:mad:

Dudess · 25-02-2011 11:11PM

Viewing Mary Harney as solely responsible for the problems in the health service is ridiculous. The HSE is overcrowded with administrators in permanent jobs - she couldn't just fire them; consultants refused to take pay cuts; the service was in an awful state before she was appointed. She has her role to play but "She's minister for health, therefore everything's her fault" is plain lazy.

That protestor behaved like a petulant child - and I am FAR from a leftie basher, and while I'm not a fan of SF, I'm not on the "Let's slate everything vaguely republican" bandwagon either.

Cllr fined for throwing paint at Mary Harney

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