anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Timulus Package · 25-02-2011 12:43AM

lugha wrote: »

SF do not have a mandate from the majority in the North. Until well after the ceasefire they did not even have a mandate from the majority of nationalists in the North. And never from more than a tiny minority in the South.
And until the 1980s, PIRA, endorsed by SF, declared themselves to be the legitimate army and government of Ireland.
Remember Danny Morrisson? We will take power in Ireland with a ballot paper in one hand and an armelite in the other.

Alas, no.

To be fair to Morrison he came from a place where his ballot paper had just been returned to him like many northern republicans it was delivered by the civil rights movement and the armilite. It was kept from him under the threat of violence and the force of violence from the foundation of the State. Now they all have a ballot paper and no armilite. Fair play to him and others on their achievements.

KIERAN1 · 25-02-2011 12:43AM

I guarantee Sinn Fein popularity will increase. Also you'll see people who supported FG in this election trying to distance themselves from that party close to the end of this year. I'll remember some of you FG lovers lol

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 12:44AM

Sundy;70854095]Pearse and co made a stand and fought like heroes. The IRA planted bombs

different time different methods or would you prefer they used a bow and arrow

that targeted innocent people.

i would say yes innocent people have been killed over the years in the conflict. but targeting innocent people... dont agree. i think you have the wrong side there it was the loyalist death squads that targeted innocent people.

Wolfe Tone · 25-02-2011 12:45AM

Sundy wrote: »

Pearse and co made a stand and fought like heroes. The IRA planted bombs that targeted innocent people. Cowards.

Ah they did, so did the provos, only difference between the old and new IRAs is that they "won" and the provos discovered how to make fertilizer bombs.

Sundy · 25-02-2011 12:47AM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

different time different methods or would you prefer they used a bow and arrow

i would say yes innocent people have been killed over the years in the conflict. but targeting innocent people... dont agree. i think you have the wrong side there it was the loyalist death squads that targeted innocent people.

Right then explain why my gf's neighbour was shot because he worked for a protestant?

And also who was targeted in the omagh bomb for example?

SafeSurfer · 25-02-2011 12:48AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Ah they did, so did the provos, only difference between the old and new IRAs is that they "won" and the provos discovered how to make fertilizer bombs.

What did the new IRA "win"?

Wolfe Tone · 25-02-2011 12:48AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What did the new IRA "win"?

The old I meant...

25-02-2011 12:49AM

I wouldn't say voters are thick.
Thats not correct.
They are intrinsically selfish because they are humans.
Humans by their very nature tend to look after their own and themselves.
So if they like a pup and are getting a pup,you can sell them one.
But when they find out it's a pup,they'll dump that pup given the chance and pick another one that they feel might give them what they want.
Thats what february 25th is about.

25-02-2011 12:56AM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I guarantee Sinn Fein popularity will increase. Also you'll see people who supported FG in this election trying to distance themselves from that party close to the end of this year. I'll remember some of you FG lovers lol

There is no doubt fg will be probably hated in a year or two.
So would sinn féin if they got into government here.
Theres no such thing as lasting popularity because things don't always all go right and governments get it in the neck usually eventually.
Thats politics,a subset of human nature again.

pollypirate · 25-02-2011 01:01AM

lucyfur09 wrote: »

yes,if theres one running in my area(kildare south)

Jason Turner is the Sinn Fein candidate for Kildare South.

lugha · 25-02-2011 01:05AM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I guarantee Sinn Fein popularity will increase. Also you'll see people who supported FG in this election trying to distance themselves from that party close to the end of this year. I'll remember some of you FG lovers lol

Yes there support will probably increase. Any socialist leaning party who couldn't increase their support in austere times should probably pack the game in. (I was tempted to say "and go back to something they do well" but perhaps not

)
And only the seriously deluded (eg those who think SF offer some magic solution) fully understand that things will get far worse before they get better and that whatever parties are next in government will be anything but hugely unpopular.
I suspect SF are secretly thrilled that they won't be taking on that responsibility.

SEVERA · 25-02-2011 01:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't say voters are thick.
Thats not correct.
They are intrinsically selfish because they are humans.
Humans by their very nature tend to look after their own and themselves.
So if they like a pup and are getting a pup,you can sell them one.
But when they find out it's a pup,they'll dump that pup given the chance and pick another one that they feel might give them what they want.
Thats what february 25th is about.

please speak for yourself i would know quiet a few unselfish voters interestingly the are also human.
i don't quiet get the pup analogy but i am sure it makes sense to others.
"you might consider me thick, but please understand that others believe me to be a genius":rolleyes:

caseyann · 25-02-2011 01:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no doubt fg will be probably hated in a year or two.
So would sinn féin if they got into government here.
Theres no such thing as lasting popularity because things don't always all go right and governments get it in the neck usually eventually.
Thats politics,a subset of human nature again.

They should be hated in a year? Wow not very optimistic or confident in the government's success are you Black Briar.
(If they have all the right policies and they are the right one to vote in this time) You sound like you have a defeatest attitude.
There is no way i would say that about SF now and if they got in and i saw something not right i would email them and hound them till they put it right.

lugha · 25-02-2011 01:13AM

caseyann wrote: »

They should be hated in a year? Wow not very optimistic or confident in the government's success are you Black Briar.
(If they have all the right policies and they are the right one to vote in this time) You sound like you have a defeatest attitude.
There is no way i would say that about SF now and if they got in and i saw something not right i would email them and hound them till they put it right.

it would be almost worth it to see SF in power for a while, if just to give some of their supporters a sobering dose of realism.

caseyann · 25-02-2011 01:15AM

lugha wrote: »

Yes there support will probably increase. Any socialist leaning party who couldn't increase their support in austere times should probably pack the game in. (I was tempted to say "and go back to something they do well" but perhaps not )
And only the seriously deluded (eg those who think SF offer some magic solution) fully understand that things will get far worse before they get better and that whatever parties are next in government will be anything but hugely unpopular.
I suspect SF are secretly thrilled that they won't be taking on that responsibility.

Not a single person believes they have magic solution.SF voters and yes some of them used to be supporters of other parties believe it or not.Believe they have the right stuff and the fight and the willingness to back up what they say and have best interests of this country and its people as a whole in consideration.And will put everyone in this country before the bankers and other countries which on a whole all the other countries do for themselves,and wont put their wages and first and over the country and people.

caseyann · 25-02-2011 01:21AM

lugha wrote: »

it would be almost worth it to see SF in power for a while, if just to give some of their supporters a sobering dose of realism.

Do you think i honestly want to be right about Fianna Gael ****ing us up worse if they get in,i am going to lose to you know.It is in all our best interests they dont.But i have little faith as i see the signs and the writing on the wall and they mimic FF and have back slapped them all the way with their wage increases etc...... etc... and did nothing.

oh p.s vote them in then :P

Dan_Solo · 25-02-2011 01:46AM

lugha wrote: »

I suspect SF are secretly thrilled that they won't be taking on that responsibility.

And I suspect FG are secretly thrilled that they get a chance to f*** the country up even more than FF did.

jimmycrackcorm · 25-02-2011 02:08AM

KIERAN1 wrote: »

I guarantee Sinn Fein popularity will increase. Also you'll see people who supported FG in this election trying to distance themselves from that party close to the end of this year. I'll remember some of you FG lovers lol

The independents popularity will increase also so what's your point?
Sinn Feins popularity is only on the back of FF failure and not off their own bat. Even Osama Bin Laden could win votes here if he said to burn the bondholders

meglome · 25-02-2011 02:18AM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And I suspect FG are secretly thrilled that they get a chance to f*** the country up even more than FF did.

Yeah FG will cause a giant meteor to hit the earth... damn them.

Let's all post meaningless nonsense.

celtictiger32 · 25-02-2011 02:22AM

lugha wrote: »

it would be almost worth it to see SF in power for a while, if just to give some of their supporters a sobering dose of realism.

and also to give the other parties a sobering dose of how to run a country

Hannibal · 25-02-2011 02:24AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The independents popularity will increase also so what's your point?
Sinn Feins popularity is only on the back of FF failure and not off their own bat. Even Osama Bin Laden could win votes here if he said to burn the bondholders

I suppose thats why SF's vote has been steadily increasing by each passing election? even though FF have been re-elected on previous occassions?
SF is eating into both FF and Labour as they move right, and when FG hit a brick wall in government and wreck the place FF and Labour will eat into them. In a year or two when Kenny's government collapses watch FG slide back to around 25% and SF up on 15% with FF touching back at 30% and Labour around 20%. By the way Nostradamus couldnt predict this in the way i'm using my crystal ball here

meglome · 25-02-2011 02:58AM

Dotsey wrote: »

I suppose thats why SF's vote has been steadily increasing by each passing election? even though FF have been re-elected on previous occassions?

In the 2002 SF got 5 seats and in 2007 they got 4. Not what you'd call progression.

Dotsey wrote: »

SF is eating into both FF and Labour as they move right, and when FG hit a brick wall in government and wreck the place FF and Labour will eat into them. In a year or two when Kenny's government collapses watch FG slide back to around 25% and SF up on 15% with FF touching back at 30% and Labour around 20%. By the way Nostradamus couldnt predict this in the way i'm using my crystal ball here

I think if SF stop lying about economic issues we'll see more of a rise. But having economic policies that basically say 'get those rich bastards' isn't going to gain them in the long run.

Reilly616 · 25-02-2011 03:06AM

meglome wrote: »

In the 2002 SF got 5 seats and in 2007 they got 4. Not what you'd call progression.

He said SF's vote, not SF's seats. The vote in 2007 was 6.9%, up from 6.5% in 2002.

heyjude · 25-02-2011 03:46AM

Dotsey wrote: »

when FG hit a brick wall in government and wreck the place

Wreck the place ? I think that job has already been done or else why is the IMF here, why are taxes soaring and incomes and social welfare falling, why has emigration reached over 50,000 a year and is unemployment approx 450,000. Not to mention the record budget deficits and tens of billions we've had to borrow(at over 5% interest) to pump into the banks .

Whoever gets into government will struggle, there will be a whole range of difficult decisions to be made and little or no money to spend. I just hope they make the right decisions(whatever they are and avoid bending to vested interests), or else they'll just prolong the current disastrous situation. The patient is very sick, the medicine is very unpleasant, but without it they'll never recover.

Dan_Solo · 25-02-2011 08:53AM

meglome wrote: »

Yeah FG will cause a giant meteor to hit the earth... damn them.

Let's all post meaningless nonsense.

Pity you weren't capable of following the thread properly, huh?

Nodin · 25-02-2011 10:05AM

meglome wrote: »

.......Let's all post meaningless nonsense.

Considering the amount of Nazi/BNP comparisons thrown out in the thread, I was under the impression thats what most were at already.

lugha · 25-02-2011 10:27AM

Nodin wrote: »

Considering the amount of Nazi/BNP comparisons thrown out in the thread, I was under the impression thats what most were at already.

says the lad who compared the Torys to FG

But if you fancy answering a non-nonsense question perhaps you might like to have a stab at the one all the others are avoiding?
How can SF credibly claim to be democrats when they insist nothing was wrong with PIRA presuming to represent Irish people against their expressed consent?

danbohan · 25-02-2011 10:34AM

lugha wrote: »

says the lad who compared the Torys to FG

But if you fancy answering a non-nonsense question perhaps you might like to have a stab at the one all the others are avoiding?
How can SF credibly claim to be democrats when they insist nothing was wrong with PIRA presuming to represent Irish people against their expressed consent?

so if a rampaging mob of your friends the loyalists were coming into your street and burning your and everybody else house in that street you would not give your "express consent " to defend your property /family /life would you .

how can fine gael/unionists justify their stance in 60s 70s when nationalists were attacked , discriminated etc etc as they stood idly by , really lectures on democracy from unionists or fine gael both with links to fascism in the recent past are a bit hard to take

lugha · 25-02-2011 10:48AM

danbohan wrote: »

so if a rampaging mob of your friends the loyalists were coming into your street and burning your and everybody else house in that street you would not give your "express consent " to defend your property /family /life would you .

Ah yes, the usual evasion. I think you understand perfectly well that I was not referring to the defense of Catholics but to PIRA claim to be the true government of Ireland. But I guess if the circle can't be squared it cant be squared.

What is curious is that SF supporters seem genuinely aggrieved at FF taking various decisions in recent years which would not command the support of the majority. Truly baffling mindset.

The Brigadier · 25-02-2011 10:59AM

Nodin wrote: »

Considering the amount of Nazi/BNP comparisons thrown out in the thread, I was under the impression thats what most were at already.

Go on Nodin, be a smarty, go and vote for the nasty party.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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