anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

FUNKY LOVER · 23-02-2011 11:33PM

The Brigadier wrote: »

As to Gerry Adams being an active member of the IRA? Well the first thing that led me to that view was an episode of "The Cook Report" back in the late 80s. In this piece of investigative journalism several former members of the Provisional IRA were interviewed and stated he was an active member. There have been so many similar reports in the 20+ years since then that Gerry Adams refusing to confess his IRA activity has become a bit of a running joke.

The Cook Report was a British television programme shown on ITV, produced for the network by Central Television from 1985 to 1998.

-says it all.

are you referring to brendan hughes who made the accusations,who hated gerry adams up until his death bed?

lugha · 23-02-2011 11:35PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

why would they stop refering to the 26 counties after all that is what they are. the fact of the matter most of sinn fein voters are republicans and while some people dislike that it doesnt change the facts .

The use of the term "26 counties" (and "six counties") have and are been used by republicans as alternatives to the official names (or descriptions) of these states to indicate that they do not recognize these states. Now they are perfectly entitled to do this if they wish, but it is undemocratic and its a two-finger sign to the people of Ireland (North and South) who overwhelming supported the Good Friday agreement, which accepted for now, the status quo of two states on this island. And it is rather hypocritical when you consider that SF always argue that the fate of Ireland should be decided by ourselves alone.

If they do not recognize the state, then fine. But the could at least be honest about it and perhaps hitch their wagon to the dissidents or some such grouping. But they want to persist with this, as I called it, half-arsed state recognition. Indeed, some (Adams in particular) has got rather ratty in the past when he was, quite reasonably, questioned on this matter.

celtictiger32 · 23-02-2011 11:36PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

What current member of FG is a Blueshirt? They were wound up in the 30's. I know because my grandad used to spent his spare time beating them black and blue.

We're dealing with the here and now, with the political decisions of living people during their politcal carrear. Please respond in kind.

dealing with the here and now?? its a pity most of the SF bashers here dont think like that when they construct their arguments for not voting SF because its like a broken record or worse still a history lesson.

The Brigadier · 23-02-2011 11:36PM

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

The Cook Report was a British television programme shown on ITV, produced for the network by Central Television from 1985 to 1998.

-says it all.

What does?

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

are you referring to brendan hughes who made the accusations,who hated gerry adams up until his death bed?

There have been many people accusing Gerry Adams of being an active member of the IRA. Like I said, it has become a joke at this stage. I doubt anybody believes Gerry when he denies it. He would gain more respect from people by actually having the balls to admit his past.

FUNKY LOVER · 23-02-2011 11:36PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

When SF do not gain many votes or are curious why they are not as popular as they could be, these posts are a big hint. You throw it away yourselves lads, you are the only ones to blame.

explain?

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2011 11:36PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

most of the murders commited in ireland arent commited by the ira so and most go undetected so onee can only guess who these people are or what party they may be affiliated to or support. going by the polls at the minute its fair to say the majority would be f.g supporters

By that sort of logic I could say accuse the IRA of carrying most of the murders, if they are undetected then the IRA would be the organisation most capable of a keeping secrecy in a murder campaign.

By that sort of logic SF's economic plan looks like it could work.

And how do you know that most of the murders aren't committed by the IRA ?

And if you are saying that most aren't committed , does this mean the IRA is still killing people ? (albeit undetected)

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 11:37PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

When SF do not gain many votes or are curious why they are not as popular as they could be, these posts are a big hint. You throw it away yourselves lads, you are the only ones to blame.

Hope the younger SF candidates and their suppoters research forums like these, might give them additional reasons to make a break from the party's support for the IRA. Doing that would win them a great many new voters, including myself.

The Brigadier · 23-02-2011 11:38PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

dealing with the here and now?? its a pity most of the SF bashers here dont think like that when they construct their arguments for not voting SF because its like a broken record or worse still a history lesson.

I think we are all able to remember the accusations levelled at Sinn Fein. It is pretty recent stuff.

LordSutch · 23-02-2011 11:41PM

I think the fact that we are discussing the provisional IRA & Sinn Fein in the same breath page after page, explaines why SF are doing so badly in the polls. They may have stopped endorsing the bombings, shootings etc, but we havent forgotten, and most of us certainly wouldn't vote for them to govern us. Maybe in another generation, when the wounds have healed & the current crop of S Feiners have passed on . . .

Mind you, even then I wouldn't.

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 11:41PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

you can believe what you want but the facts are that there is no proof that the ira commited the robbery never mind that gerry adams knew of it in advance. also where is the proof that gerry adams was an active member of the ira. lastly given the choice between the ira allegedly robbing an english bank and the irish goverment including f.g and lab robbing the irish people and giving it to the banks of england france and germany i know which gets my vote

So, you're a SF member who supports armed robbery?

FUNKY LOVER · 23-02-2011 11:42PM

this thread is actually useless not one side is going to agree,round and round it goes.

Davypat · 23-02-2011 11:42PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

to be a sf supporter ,NEVER LAD,rather vote ff
funny thing doe,when a sf boyo came looking for a vote,i told him never in a million years, slammed door in his face,wasnt too happy :-)

Thats manners for you!! 2 wrongs do not make a right.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-02-2011 11:44PM

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

explain?

Well, people are going to be critical of SF here, like they are with all parties. SF have a bit more of a controversial history, especially in the last forty years, so they gotta put up with a bit more stick. But the way some of you guys debate is awful. You will criticize people who bring up the past if it is negative, yet you will do it yourselves no problem, sure SF official site still has loads of IRA merchandise for christ sake.

When I tried to ask about condemning Garda killings. I don't get a straight answer, I get "well, what if a Garda kills an innocent person?" answer. It is all too dodgy, tangent debates where you will only answer whatever suits you then put your fingers in your ears and scream "lalalalalala" if you don't like it.

When I say "you" I don't mean you in particular, just the general sense of SF supporters here. It's really annoying. The only thing more annoying is the recent FF posters reemerging with a sudden amnesia to everything their party has done.

Davypat · 23-02-2011 11:46PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

So, you're a SF member who supports armed robbery?

This is rediculous. A so called republican government sold us out to pay back the big time gamblers and impoverish their own people!! I hpe the next time someone gambles on a horse and looses, they go back for their money!!

lugha · 23-02-2011 11:48PM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

dealing with the here and now?? its a pity most of the SF bashers here dont think like that when they construct their arguments for not voting SF because its like a broken record or worse still a history lesson.

The relevance of the criticisms of SF to the here and now have been pointed out to you but you have chosen not to answer them. But, free country I guess.

Adrian009 · 23-02-2011 11:48PM

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

this thread is actually useless not one side is going to agree,round and round it goes.

For myself, apart from a few one-liners I couldn't resist posting, I really have tried to engage with SF posters. All I get is equivation, at best. Which is a shame, because if circumstances were different I'd give my number one to some of the newer SF candidates. The IRA connection will continue to drag them down till they repudidate them.

LordSutch · 23-02-2011 11:51PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

For myself, apart from a few one-liners I couldn't resist posting, I really have tried to engage with SF posters. All I get is equivation, at best. Which is a shame, because if circumstances were different I'd give my number one to some of the newer SF candidates. The IRA connection will continue to drag them down till they repudidate them.

The thing is Adrian, they can't repudiate them, its their very life blood, their whole existence is based on the noble deeds of the IRA's recent campaign against the Unionist/British people of the North, and for that matter their thirty five year threat to the Southern State too.

lugha · 23-02-2011 11:54PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

Actually, what happened to said TD and Garda?

The gardai (ban-gardai?) was never named AFAIK and properly so.
The charming PJ Sheehan at least had the decency to immediately resign his position as FG deputy spokesman on ag. and subsequently decided not to seek re-election.

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 11:54PM

Adrian009 wrote: »

So, you're a SF member who supports armed robbery?

when did i say i was a sinnfein member and to be honest with you i would have no problems robbing a bank in the morning if i thought i would get a way with it

wee truck big driver · 23-02-2011 11:57PM

amazing how many people or willing to beleive bertie ( i won it on a horse ) ahern. and even more amazing how many anti sinnfein people or so quick to take the word of an ex provo when they are saying what they want to hear

Davypat · 24-02-2011 12:01AM

bergkamp10 wrote: »

Could do what many european super states do, and bring in economists and entrepreneurs the likes of michael o leary, david mc williams etc, in the dail. Which would help. But this is ireland. So we wont.

Let these people go before the electorate by all means but we do NOT want unelected people in there-we are not a dictatorship or monarchy yet T.G.

lugha · 24-02-2011 12:03AM

LordSutch wrote: »

The thing is Adrian, they can't repudiate them, its their very life blood, their whole existence is based on the noble deeds of the IRA's recent campaign against the Unionist/British people of the North, and for that matter their thirty five year threat to the Southern State too.

Alas, I suspect this is so. The simply cannot bring themselves to purge their fascist tendencies. They say they support this state and say the accept GFA but you sense that deep down, they adhere to this believe that is it legitimate to ignore the will of the Irish people, that only their interpretation of an Irish republican has any validity.

caseyann · 24-02-2011 12:04AM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

amazing how many people or willing to beleive bertie ( i won it on a horse ) ahern. and even more amazing how many anti sinnfein people or so quick to take the word of an ex provo when they are saying what they want to hear

And they will follow the same old trends of believing people in parties who have done nothing but lie and protect liars and play blind mice,until the **** hit the fan.And only then start condemning it and saying how it needs changing.To save their own necks is the only reason they are and to save their own pay packet.
Pure liars and thieves.And in the present and they are bitching about SF on hearsay.
They will be bitching about FG and Labour or who ever is in a few months.The Bishops are right.This country is on way to riots.

celtictiger32 · 24-02-2011 12:06AM

lugha wrote: »

Well I went to a bit of trouble to explain why it is still relevant but you don't get it. Or at least I will be charitable and assume that that is the case. And I notice you haven't addressed the point.
BTW, can FF not make the same excuse for their various transgressions? After all, these are all in the past too.
And it is not a smear campaign. I can assure you I will be bleating on about the same thing after the election. And said election is more or less done and dusted. SF will be the fourth biggest party and in opposition; nothing to be gained by smearing.

i never expected SF to get into power THIS time unless there was an exceptional circumstance where they went into coalition with someone (unlikely i know) but every debate, every forum, every discussion when the other party members/supporters run out of the drivel they come out with they turn to the dead horse of smearing SF just to make them look good

The Waltzing Consumer · 24-02-2011 12:09AM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i never expected SF to get into power THIS time unless there was an exceptional circumstance where they went into coalition with someone (unlikely i know) but every debate, every forum, every discussion when the other party members/supporters run out of the drivel they come out with they turn to the dead horse of smearing SF just to make them look good

You have a good point, but look at the absolute drivel that CaseyAnn and Wee Truck Big Driver come out with and you have to admit, if this is the SF standard, no wonder the parties turn to that dead horse.

PauloMN · 24-02-2011 12:09AM

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i never expected SF to get into power THIS time unless there was an exceptional circumstance where they went into coalition with someone (unlikely i know) but every debate, every forum, every discussion when the other party members/supporters run out of the drivel they come out with they turn to the dead horse of smearing SF just to make them look good

I'll take it you're not going to expand on your immigrant comment, yeah?

PauloMN · 24-02-2011 12:12AM

caseyann wrote: »

This country is on way to riots.

SF are good at organising those anyway.

caseyann · 24-02-2011 12:12AM

lugha wrote: »

Alas, I suspect this is so. The simply cannot bring themselves to purge their fascist tendencies. They say they support this state and say the accept GFA but you sense that deep down, they adhere to this believe that is it legitimate to ignore the will of the Irish people, that only their interpretation of an Irish republican has any validity.

I think you will find in 2006,of those who were surveyed,this came out.

A 2006 Sunday Business Post survey reported that almost 80% of voters in the Republic favour a united Ireland: 22% believe that "achieving a united Ireland should be the first priority of the government" while 55% say they "would like to see a united Ireland, but not as the first priority of government." Of the remainder 10% said no efforts should be made to bring about a united Ireland and 13% had no opinion.[5] This poll was markedly up from one year earlier when a Sunday Independent article[32] reported that 55% would support a united Ireland,;)

Wolfe Tone · 24-02-2011 12:12AM

The Brigadier wrote: »

SF has very much gone for the welfare sector vote for some time.

I can only speak for my own experience but I have never met a SF supporter who wasn't either on long term benefits or a blue collar worker.

Many are very highly educated.

SafeSurfer · 24-02-2011 12:12AM

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

The Cook Report was a British television programme shown on ITV, produced for the network by Central Television from 1985 to 1998.

-says it all.

are you referring to brendan hughes who made the accusations,who hated gerry adams up until his death bed?

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Well they seem mighty friendly here.

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRooQE_cIBNESCT1LKKijn8EFSlQdoidSwDnOQh-Z7n9oJuSXHXaQ

Here is Gerry carrying Brendan Hughes coffin.

If Hughes hated him so much why would the family have allowed Gerry act as pall bearer?

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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